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tv   [untitled]    November 16, 2023 1:00pm-1:31pm IRST

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joining us from lahore for those of you uh who are just tuning in, we are keeping a close eye on the israeli war on gaza as the massacre continues for the 41st day, those are live images from the ghaza skyline, as we can see black plums of smoke arising through the sky, the incessant bombing and shelling of uh critical infrastructure, basically what's left of the critical infrastructure? and residential buildings uh are continuing uh just earlier in the day we had reports of a medicine and medical equipment warehouse being uh blown up by these radies in al-shifa hospital in northern gaza we saw the massive plum of smoke that was created following that explosion and yet uh the world still remains silent the international bodies the international community with the united nations at its hel has failed to take any
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tangible action, even the mere reaching of aid to the palestinians in need has not been sufficiently carried out, which leaves so many people in suffering, at least 11,500 people dead, which have been accounted for, so many still remain under the rubble, around 5,000 of those killed have been innocent children, two to 3,0 women as well, uh they are bearing the brunt of this asymmetrical war which has been uh described as a genocidal war against the palestinians in the gaza strip continues for 41 days. we're going to return to the normal coursal programming for now but uh stick around there's plenty more to come here on press tv see you soon. of
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as the deathdul mounts on day 40 of the israel war in gaza, the israeli regime continues to target hospitals in particular the hospital, claiming that hamas is using it as a command and control center and holds captives there. hamas has repeatedly denied that and asked the un to visit. the place and prove the falsehood of the claim. israely forces who rated the medical center today have not found anything to that effect. in this addition of the spotlight we will look at the israeli genocidal war, the us support for the continuation of this war, and how israel's goal is to impose another nakba on the palestinians. these are the guests for this edition of the spotlight. patrick henningson is a geopolitical analyst who joins us from los angeles. also joining us is john phenix journalists and international relations expert. who joins us from london.
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welcome to you both. uh, first i will start with you patrick if i may and we are taking a look at shifa hospital, as you well aware that's being targeted by the regime forces. um, at this point we understand that that has included murdering palestinians. they've arrested some, not only patients, but also people work there like engineers, and at the same time obviously patients alives are at risk, because overall they wanted to evacuate the hospital. i'm not too sure if they're going to be able to do that. uh, and this is all under the understanding that the... think that the hospital is being used for military purposes by hamas? no evidence of that, nothing has been shown yet. uh, what do you think about the fact that the hospital, which is being targeted by israel, uh, and that is something that is banned under international law. yeah, it is, it is pretty amazing. mean, we've seen the systematic targeting of medical facilities, multiple hospitals, in fact in total, you could say 16 hospitals have been targeted, have been disabled or...
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in some cases destroyed by the israeli occupation forces, along with at least 30 other primary care facilities, multiple shelters as well, including un shelters, so one has to ask why this policy of target hospital specifically, there seems to be some sort of objective here, and one can only say that from the inside from the propaganda value of being able to claim that uh that hamas is somehow has these secret bases under all these hospitals. they're hiding entrances the tunnels or weapons, cachets, we've heard just about everything, the only thing we haven't heard yet is that they're hiding weapons of mass destruction under one of these hospitals and don't be surprised if that comes out from the idf uh in the next couple of days, who knows, but the the the sort of the pr performative skits that we've seen are kind of really an act of desperation because i think what they're trying to do the israelis is to vindicate this bombing campaign against these civilian areas. in
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northern gaza somehow to vindicate all this to justify it by finding quote evidence that it was all worth it because we found this hamos command and control center supposedly and there is no receipt. for this, they've been uh not able to come up with any real evidence other than the sort of hamfisted attempts by members of the idf for spokes people saying that this is how we found this evidence and we've got this here and then now we're providing aid so we're actually helping the people in el shifa hospital i mean and it's ridiculous in the extreme all right uh the the thing that you mentioned there about the aid also we need to discuss the way that they think that they are providing aid but john phoenix uh uh when you take a look at the credibility of uh we don't need to look that far back in terms of just days where you have uh the claim on the al rantissi hospital uh where you had the israeli spokesperson for the army point to the or maybe one of the israeli regime forces pointing to calendar that was hung a wall that claimed to be a
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target list if you recall that and also the elevator shaft that was claimed to be a tunnel so that is debunked now that really puts israel in a shaky footing um to say the least here uh so um, how can that be backed by the us, and the us to support that claim, well, not this particular claim, but the claim that hospitals are being used as the for military purposes, or is the us just taking uh whatever israel is feeding it to be okay and for it to back it, what is what is your thoughts on this? well, i mean, you don't need to go far, let's just start. but from the the allegation of that the 40 children you know where the hamamas chop off 40 children what the at that time i don't think biden seen anything at that time biden claimed that he did see 40 children in a
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photo which is shown to him by the israelis as you understand the the domastic policy in the state the z is so strong enough to control. the repeating the israeli lies, mean let's say just go back to the beginning of your question about the tunnels, let's assume for few minutes that it was tunnels under hospital, well i don't understand why if they stand on the hospital, what the justification of killing medical 202 nurses and doctors was killed and the 40 days 36 civil 53 ambulances been destroyed in the street and 25 hospitals being destroyed, they was invited by lot of international bodies to allow them to visit the hospitals as a witness and to try to visit the hospital and see if there is any
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tunnels and anyway they enter the hospital early morning and the hospital now being converted from hospital to the detention camp where the refugees who thought this is safe haven for them, nearly 50,000 people there, some some of the people were being killed in yard outside the buildings, they cannot even be reach because the snipers, if you try to rescue anybody, the sniper will kill people who try to risky them, some for the last four days now dying from wind and starvation and hunger, you know, so anyway they take over the hospital, they did not find anything under the hospital. okay, so what's the justification walking in and destroying the medical facilities and bombing the warehouse, which is got a few what left from the medicine and other machinery in the hospital, it is designed policy to destroy the health
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service, to punish the palestinians as much as they can, so the question is now, what other lies the come obviously with soon, the calendar you just into if you know more about the hospital where they actually went in there, the arabic verse which says planning attack on the 8th of october, it was added actually, you can see if you look close, it was added, you know, that short of lot of write arabic anyway, the names of the individuals on that list they are member of the hospitals, i see, you can actually investigate that, because this is still alive, you know, so the problem is zin cannot really, they're not good liers, every time they lie, they get exposed, sure, that's the problem, well, you make a statement that patrick hannington, our guest makes a statement there that uh based on what he
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said, then therefore he concludes that israel just wants to punish palestinians, now um, that is, that is the that is the question here, why is israel doing that, and uh, one analyst has said that israel commits war crimes by punishing palestinians because it's not, this is not by design, it's actually by default that that is what it wants to do, now the question is why has israel pursued the genocidal war that it has in this particular war in the form and manner that it has, previous wars, yes, disproportionate, lots of palestinians were murdered, but not to this degree, but this is for patrick, sorry, i'm sorry, patrick, go ahead, sure, sure, look, um, it's there, there's obviously vendetta, there's obviously a... motive or at least that's how it's been framed for the israeli public, for the israeli political body as
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well, for the west, that on october 7th that hamas carried out all these various alleged atrocities, beheaded babies, etc., mass rape and all all these things that there haven't been any real evidence produced to validate, that's that formed the narrative that justified this kind of overwhelming reaction by the israeli occupation. forces, this rapacious bombing campaign, uh, suspension of all norms in terms of you, international law, geneva conventions, that all of that needs to be suspended because of the quote, horrors of what happened to the israeli settlers, etc. on october 7, even though lot of those have been systematically debunked, most of all by the israeli press as well, and eye witnesses within israel, so that that's one reason, it's like kind of weapons free, you know, the gloves are off, uh, we're going to... to go in with maximum force and we don't care who dies or gets in the way, it's all collateral damage and the quote war on terror, that's
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one side, here's the other side, it's a political dimension, benjamin netanyahu and this government have basically gotten elected on this idea that they're the security administration, that netanyahu is the security prime minister, that he and only he can guarantee the security of israeli settlers uh in all of these dubious locations in the occupied territories, and that's part the the the whole. sales pitch of uh modern israel, that they are safe. this one place in the world where uh jewish people can come from around the world and the diaspora can return to their homeland and be safe. well obviously it's it's the most least safe place in the world, so if he's not the security prime minister, and if this is not the security administration, they cannot go back to their voters or their support base and claim they are, because all that was shattered on october 7th, so what are they? they have to double down, so instead of... being the security pres prime minister, the security uh administration, they have to
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become the genocide uh prime minister and the genocide government administration, and this is very popular sales line to lot of the hard line in israel, we need to get rid of them, we need to exterminate them, we need to make life so miserable and so unlivable that they'll have no choice but to flee to the south of gaza and then maybe if we're lucky to the sinai desert where they can't live in tense cities, this is what israeli officials are saying publicly and have been saying, and not just israeli, but also officials in the united states as well, and other countries supporting israel, so it's almost like they've backed themselves into a corner on this hard line that there's other way other than to to execute a sort of final solution if you will for what they call the palestinian problem in in their what they believe is all the greater israel area so "this is the problem, and i think this is what you're seeing here, doubling down, and really going from bad to worse, throwing bad
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money after bad money, this is what israel's strategy, unfortunately they don't have any other strategy other than sort of to back off, and in that they made huge mistake here, that's not going to happen. well, let's look at what john phoenix said there, patrick hanning about israeli officials and uh what they feel about palestinians, basically amounting uh for them to be uprooted, the extreme minister." said voluntary migration of palestinians in gaza is the right humanitarian solution. you have danny dunan, whose the former ambassador to the un, he has made also an editorial or a commentary in the wall street journal suggesting moving some people of gaza to nations that will accept them, and also uh the most recent the former director of israel's spy agency shinbet, he said that tellaviv was rolling out of nakba in the gaza strip. this is what netanyahu wanted to do from the onset and now. we're seeing that come out, even though told uh this former director of shanbet that he
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shouldn't have said that, but that appears to be obviously what israel wants to do, do you think that uh do you agree with that and uh do you think they going to go through with this or not? john phoenix? yes, well just remind our listeners that it was a plan actually come to light, obviously that the israel secret service had a plan where the palestinians should be all driven to sinai was actually talk about that before the the genocide. is the slaughter of the palestinians between united states and egypt and israel, so it's not a surprise, the intense killing of the palestinians is to drive them, as batric said, drive them to the south and in the south will be obviously people interrupt, no food, no medicine, no
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gas, no light, and bunny, as you see now, the blinding is still on the south, they asking people to move from the north. so when they moved, they bombed them in a way, and if they arrive there, they bombed them in the south, if you look at the last week, most of the bomb in canunis, rafah, which is bordering egypt, they intend to do that to force the palestinians to force themselves to the egyptian side where they after they enter the egypt you block the the border and that's it, you are out of gaza, that's the whole idea is to push the palestinians and this was a plan actually revealed by the... in media is just actually before the attack discipline was there you know just also want to ask something netanyahu he is also in shaky ground as you know he was indicated for corruption he's tried to survive as much he can for his political life and that's why he allied himself with this gang of fascists
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like him in regard to uh he said that palestinians uh should voluntally move out of gaza to outside gaza, you know, that's the same man who when the settlers attacked hawara and west bank and kill palestinians and burn hundreds of cars and homes, he said is no hawara exist, and he was forced to apologize after that, so the bunch of new nazis sitting in the parliament deciding the faith of the palestinians, some of them even call using nuclear, yet israel been denying having a nuclear for. the 50 years and now some of them calling that they use the nuclear in gaza, sure, sure, indeed, um, let's uh, let's look at the uh, attention that people have given to this cause patrick hennington when it comes to palestine in the form of the protests that have taken place, and uh, in particular, the us has really um had people come out in droves and masses, a
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couple weeks ago, i believe it was in washington dc, where they marched towards the white house, and i'm sure you're well aware. of that um, i was quite uh surprised and then at the same time shocked to hear that an israeli organization was offering 250 bucks uh and it called a microgrants to pay college students to attend the dc rally that was supposed to happen on november 14th, i don't how that went down or not, but uh, when you take a look at the protest in the us in the way form and manner that it is, does the us administration see what has occurred, and these are not just people coming out saying, well how can i say uh surface slogans? we're talking deep slogans here, we're talking their awareness, their knowledge about the palestinian cause and the conflict itself, and i'm thinking it's because of the fact that they have seen so many wars happen, but this uh messes to come out, will that rattle the cage of officials in the white house, and particularly the man at the top, joe biden?
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well, probably uh joe biden's completely insulated from any reports of any significant. numbers even in washington dc, he's probably being briefed there carefully, careful not to let him know about certain things that are happening, so he'll be generally oblivious to all of this, i would think, he's not the type of person who's very canny, who will be very interested in details and what's going on in real term anyway politically in the us, but they've really been caught by surprise, lot of people underestimated the level of public support for the palestinian cause, they tried very hard in the media to frame it as pro-hams demonstrations or anti-semitic. demonstrations, but of course it's none of that, the pro-palestinian movement, the cause of pre-dates, woke, anti-woke, it predates all these administrations, we're going back 50 years, it's always been about liberation, it's always been an anti-apartide issue right along south africa for decades, so now you're seeing the numbers grow each week on week, more people coming out on the streets and i
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think what you see is that, while there's a degree of astroturfing uh, you know by some... some groups that are seen to capitalize off this movement, everybody agrees, no matter who they are, that this is about right and wrong, this is about human rights, this is about preserving lives, it's about opposing genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes and lot of people from different stripes can come together and agree on those basic human principles, that's why you're seeing the numbers you're seeing on the street, and there's a big difference between those people, which are growing and showing themselves by the millions globally, and government and mainstream media, which are defending the very narrow israeli party line on this, which is really having trouble, it's a house of cards really, it's having trouble legitimizing itself in the face of what are effectively open war crimes by the netanyahu regime and the state of israel, and they're seeing that this systematic oppression has been incurring for 75 years, 80 years, and
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they're realizing this just didn't happen or start on october 7th, young people get it, unfortunately lot of older people, especially in media and government, unfortunately don't get it, so that's why you have this massive disconnect, it's only going to grow, uh john phoenix, the israeli foreign minister, just a day ago... said that he expects the international pressure on israel to rise significantly within two to three weeks. now my question obviously comes out, why would he think there hasn't been a rise that's significant enough, he must have seen the protest happening worldwide, but that kind of gives a maybe an idea as to how long this war would last, do you think, the fact that he has made that kind of a statement? i believe with the uh what just battic described. the thousands of people in the streets, mean i just seen a video of tredo, the prime minister of canada being in a restaurant and
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he was kicked out of the restaurant by people chanting fire now, i think the european leaders now feeling the heat that the staying silence is is a crying itself, you know, so i believe there is some kind of connection. sometime communication between the americans and the european leaders, enough is enough, because the world cannot bear to see all this slaughters with childrens and women, i mean if if you look at the first week, when hamas attacked the settlers, they was crying dwarf that look, they kidnapp children, women, they attack people, which is most of the people. got killed that day was killed by israeli helicopters, but they got at that time simpty for nearly 10 days, you know, but the man they retaliated with this perberic scale of
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retaliation, now they losing the the plot, they were thinking that we will now with the thousands of civilians killed, they're not really gonna obviously stay silence, talking about the accusation of being antisamite, if you support the palestinians, well there is also not to forget that there is hundreds of american jews from uh voice for peace was actually demonstrating in washington against the slaughter of the palestinians, so i think there is a pressure on them, i think that us that soon with the economic factor, because also they having difficulties, no schools, no... no jobs, no factories in the country, they 2000 settlers moved out of the border plaza, being hosted somewhere else, fade,
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looked after, the same thing with the north of palestine border, there is also nearly 180, so that's going to be a strong factor for them to stop their mini holocaust in gaza, yeah indeed, and let's go with that, and patrick, when you have uh any hopes of this war ending, which hopefully at some point is going to end sooner than later, israel has to then go back to the reality, not go back, but face the reality that's unfolding there in the occupied territories, we know how things were before this war broke out, things were tense on so many different fronts uh regarding you know those protests that were happening the judicial ones, now you have the the elevated tensions between the palestinians. and the israellis, especially the settlers, so it has to face that, and that's another war in itself, really, taking a look at what's happening there on the streets, along with the cost
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that is $250 million a day uh, i think israel is uh facing, do you think israel is going to be able to come out of this? and one minute, please, well, yeah, economically they they've got huge problems, not just the cost of the war, but also lost income, which is going to affect their gdp, they're already having to go to the international money markets to raise funds uh bonds and domestically uh issuing bonds to try to raise money, the central bank is having to uh you know i don't 30 billion to stabilize the sheckle uh which is very unstable at the moment so it's it's it's having a bad effect on the israeli economy but also people leaving the country as well obviously can just go to to to florida or new york or wherever they're from and just kind of flee the trouble uh when things get a little bit warm northern israel is also... many of the settlements, towns are empty, they've been completely evacuated, there's only active service, reserviss and maybe elderly left there, so all right, thank you very much for that, thank you, patrick
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henningson, geopolitical analy from. los angeles, and thank you john phoenix, journalist and international relations expert from london, with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight, from the team, it's goodbye. 皆 さん に お 願い し ます の 皆 さん に お 願い し ます 。
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the headlines at un agency says only one hospital is now functioning in the northern part of the besieged ghaza strip as israel presses ahead with its attacks on al-shifa hospital. us police attack prote palestinian protesters rallying outside, the democratic national headquarters in washington making a number of arrests, and in the uk nearly a third of the labor party zokers defy their leader to back the gaza's cefire motion, as a pro-palestinian demo is held outside parliament.