hello and welcome to press tv light, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. war crime after war crime is being committed by the israeli regime in gaza. early on saturday morning, the un run alphara school in the jabaliah refugee camp was bombed by the zidas and at least 50 more people have been killed at that school as the israeli genocide continues. in the strip

after six weeks, at least 12,00 palestinians now have been killed in gaza since october the seventh and the so-called international community proves that either it is impotent and powerless or simply chooses to take no actions to stop zionist terrorism in gaza. either way, the palestinian resistance is representing the people and is inflating blows on the regime, which was once branded as being invencible and to welcome my guess to the program: daniel, author and activist out of pittsburg, pennsylvania, and richard fuck, former un special reporteur on human rights in the palestinian territory, out of turkey, thank you both for uh being with me, i'll start this off with daniel, your perspective, why is it that although global popular opinion has turned against israel?

tel aviv really does not seem to care and simply continues um with this murdering of civilians, it's it's absolutely mindbockly. well, i think there's two words that answer that, and that's the united states. they know they have the full backing of the united states for what they're doing, uh, the us congress just passed a 14 billion dollar aid package for israel, that's three times more, more than three times more than the us. is israel in one year, the us has sent 72 naval ships to the mediterranean to protect israel uh while it carries out these crimes and so it feels like it has complete impunity for what it's doing and frankly it does as long as the us continues to act in these ways. what about that uh richard fock, you heard what daniel said, basically it's the united of states. i mean, let's talk about that, what

is in it for the united states, because if we look at the situation right now, again, i'll go back to the global opinion right now, that has changed, um, it it on the surface it would seem that it would not be in the us's benefit to give this type of blanket support to the regime, but it does, your perspective on on why that is the case, well it's it's a complex uh, of reasons i think the the maybe the most important is that domestically israel has organized support for itself in a way that is disproportionately influential in washington with the government, it has completely dominated through lobbying efforts under the... control of apec, congressional

opinion, and it has the benefit, the presumed benefit that domes political leader can't survive, zionist opposition, so the first, the first and most prominent thing i think. is the uh domestic scene, then after 67, i think israel was, because of its military successess and its capabilities, combined with the fact that the shav of iran was no longer available as ally, israel appeared to be the most reliable strategic partner. in

the region, and energy politics were very high on the policy agenda of the united states, so it it's it's a combination of these international and domestic reasons combined with the general reluctance of european and the north american countries to go to seem as though they're supporting a uh political entity that has expressed antisemitism, it, it's it's a large number of issues that combined. okay, okay, well, daniel, your perspective, and your thoughts about what the regime expects to accomplish

with this incessent murder of palestinians, young and old, i mean, do you think that the regime really wants to try to clear out gaza? oh yes, i mean, well, you know, you say, you know, you're using the word genocide on this program, and i agree, it is genocide. what's the definition of genocide? it's carrying out killings, injuries, uh, making life, um, unsustainable for the purpose of destroying in whole or in part a national, ethnical or religious group, in this case the palestinian people, that's what. they're doing, the goal is, and we know document's been leaked that shows that they settled a plan, they hope to displace all the people of gaza into the sinai desert, uh, but to do that they need to um wipe out a certain number of palestinian

people to inflict enough terror on the population to do that, and and sadly and i fear that once they do that to gaza, again, if left to their... devices, they will then turn their attention to the west bank, they already have, i mean violence against palestinians in the west bank is already increased by many multiples since october 7th, but i fear that if they were able to get their way in gaza they would turn the full force of the israeli forces against the west bank. this truly is ethnic cleansing and genocide and and um, i, i think they see this as their chance for the final solution. the palestinian uh problem is they see it? yeah, it is absolutely uh mind boggling and mine boggling and it's amazing that we're having this conversation and it is happening uh as we speak. um, richard falk, i mean you are

with the united nations, let's talk about the united nations in the middle of all of this, because we know that uh today um a united nations school was hit, at least was bombed by the israelies. at least 50 people were killed, um, and these were people who had taken refuge, families inside of this united nations facility, where's the united nations and all of this, where is the absolute outrage, condemnation and ability to stop what is happening, what has happened to the un? uh, what's happened to the un, is what the un was designed to be, in other words, it has a mission of war prevention, but it also has an option for the winners of world war ii to exercise veto over any meaningful action

that the un might take, and therefore what i call the primacy of geopolitics. written into the charter of the un, which means in case like this, that the strategic priorities of the united states and france and uk prevent the un from doing more than having a voice. its special rapporteurs are denouncing what israel is doing, they are as your guest suggests as ethnic and tridal in its impact, and the secretary general has also voiced his displeasure at the refusal to at least establish a ceasefire in iran, but the but

the un is helpless when it's blocked geopolitically, when it's not blocked, as in libya in 2011. and in the first iraq war in 2000 and 1991, the un can be very... effective because it has this the added capabilities of these geopolitical actors and it can really violate sovereign rights if if the political atmosphere uh is condusive to that sort of solution. so basically uh daniel, your thoughts on this, i just want to stay on this a bit in dealing with the un, and the reality of what is taking place, uh, richard said, it's basically it's doing the

way it was, what it was designed to do, um, do you think that uh, but world opinion has changed about the united nations, do you think that people prior to this really felt that the united nations was a representative body to protect uh individuals, to protect nations, to make sure human rights were not trampled up. do you think that there has been a transition right now in world opinion and dealing with the un? i think there's been a transition happening for decades, i think people have lost faith in the un over the past decades, in part because of things like libya, as richard falk just mentioned when the security council uh did give a green light for nato to act in libya. now of course nato went beyond the uh wording of of the

security council resolutions, but nonetheless the security council allowed nato to act in libya and they destroyed the country and they um you know it opened up now we there's slaves being sold in in market public markets there it's incredible uh and the security council and the un have some responsibility for that um there's many instances in which i think people feel like the un has abdicated its role in maintaining international peace and security in the world, which is its goal, and of course it has to be pointed out and i've written about this extensively, that the us has very systematically, insergically dismantled the enforcement power of the us to maintain international peace and security. for example, bill clinton was very open about the fact that he wanted to and in fact did go to war in the former yugoslavia in 1999 without security council authorization,

because he wanted to show the world that he could do just that, that the us and the west could act unilaterally without security council authorization, and so the us, the un has been systematically undermined as a force for for peace and security, and i think most the world understands that by now. well, richard falk, um, your perspective uh at this point in time, i mean at least 12,00 people have been killed in six weeks, the death toll um will definitely rise as many are still buried under rubble, your perspective and and what will it take for the so-called international community um to intervene, to stop this? well, it's uh very difficult to say because the horror show. in gaza has gone on now for sufficient length of time and it's

the most transparent genocide in history because of the tv imagery and the worldwide coverage, there is, it's a spectacle, genocide has become a spectacle, and the countries that could exert pressure have... limited their criticism of israel to rhetoric, they haven't been willing to do what they could do, which is to establish a boycot on exports to israel, particularly energy, they haven't even attempted a censure in the general assembly, there are a lot of steps. that could be taken, there have been some that have been taken, for instance, five

countries have initiated investigation of the genocide allegation in the international criminal court, none of those five countries come from the global west significantly, and it's a shameless display of western double standards and moral. hypocrisy, disregard of the rule of law, that it should not take any initiative to do something about the most flagrant humanitarian catastrophe at least since world war ii. it's and i would say just one more thing and that is there is an element of this interaction that suggests the argument of samuel huntington and clash of

civilizations where there is some sense that the difference in between ukraine and gaza and h, hamas and the hezbollah and the surrounding countries is that one is islamic and the other is white christian, and so that there is underneath all of this, a civilizational uh encounter. that has to do with the geopolitical alignment that is developing after the end of the cold war, in other words, this period that we're going through now, will begin new international order, for better or for worse, and that

order will challenge and is challenging us unipolar. that emerged after the collapse of the soviet union, well daniel, now the regime has been successful obviously in killing civilians because they're bombing indiscriminately, this very uh populated area, it doesn't take a whole lot of skill for that, but from a military political perspective, the israelis uh always had shown themselves to be invincible and precise, what has happened? in the middle of all of this, was all of that simply propaganda, or or is it that the palestinian resistance has been a lot more effective on the ground than they thought, um, it is true that it has been the regime is moving through gaza, um, but the reality is that the majority of what it's killed have been regular people. well, of

course, i mean, and and by the way, they are focusing on killing regular people, let's be clear about that. "the focus is not on hamas, it is on destroying hospitals and killing children, i'm sorry, but that's just the truth, uh, and that is in part because israels it cannot engage uh, very well in fair in a fair fight with other armed armed forces, frankly, it's it's it's the only experience it's forces have had for a long time uh has been in uh policing uh civilians, women and children in in in west bank um the they're not prepared to fight very trained and uh frankly dedicated um um fighting force like the ones they're confronting in gaza noor they of course prepared to fight hezbolah um in the north and they are getting

beaten there very badly and just like they were beaten by hezbolah um over you know some time ago. so i don't think they're surprised by that, by the way, that's why they were very reluctant to begin this land war, they were very reluctant to to engage in this land invasion, because they knew they would take a lot of casualties in doing that, and they would show themselves to be very vulnerable, and that is happening, they are winning the war on hospitals and children for sure, but they are having a tough time with the war with armed combatts. richard falk, two parts. to this question, one, you talked about, this is the beginning of new world order, i'd like you to expand on that, and also with what daniel said, uh, about the israeli regime, do you see this as the beginning of the end of the regime? um, because it when we look at not only world opinion, um, but the stain of

genocide is something quite difficult to remove, uh, yes, yes, of course, the uh stain of genocide, particularly for the jewish supremacy nation is very difficult to uh qualify or to uh evade, of course the attempt has been to suggest that israel is only engaged in a defensive struggle to restore. pretext, as daniel has been saying, for ethnic cleansing and genocidal expression, i

think the role of genocide in this situation is to make sure that the palestinians are sufficiently dispossessed that it becomes second. which enables the final solution, as daniel also suggested to be implemented, and that means incorporating the west bank into the sovereign territory of greater israel, and probably resettling the northern part of gaza, and having the benefit of the oil and gas. uh deposits that are off its coast, i think that's all part of a political economic final solution, and it's a horrible one from

any kind of humanistic or politically sustainable perspective. let me turn to your other, the other part of the question and the... geopolitical alignment that is taking place and for me represents the beginning of new phase of international relations. first of all, the revitalization of the bricks and the role of china and india in shaping a global policy is one direction of challenge, notably outside the un context. secondly, the russian invasion of ukraine was partly as a

challenge to the unipolar uh domination of international political life that followed the soviet collapse. and it was attempt to reestablish traditional russian sphere of influence. richard, i, i would love to continue this discussion, unfortunately we're out of time, but uh, we we'll have to invite you back, because i definitely would like to uh, hear more about that. i think both of you for being with me on the spot like, daniel covel like arthur and activist out of pitsburg, pennsylvania. richard fuck, former un special tour on human rights in the palestinian territory out of budjam turkey, and thank you viewers for. with us on another spotlight, i'm signing out for myself and other group right here in tehran, hope to see you right here next time.

خذي راحت السلام عليكم صحافه فرنسيه نصر الله.

les bombardements qui ciblent des civils et des infrastructures. kingdom of the netherlands, new zealand, i am deeply concerned about the clear violations of international humanitarian law that we are witnessing in gaza. let me be clear, no party to an armed conflict is above international humanitarian law.