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tv   Gaza Under Attack  : PRESSTV  November 22, 2023 12:02pm-12:31pm IRST

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since 2001 with 911. let's have look at what's been going on in germany. so these are of muslim gravestones. um, as you can see, this cemetry, um, you, these are people that have long been buried, they have no active role in anything that's happening now, yet they are being um, desecrated, the the their resting places vandalized, see the story of david, and earlier i saw a swastica, yes, on you, children, um, adult graves, people, what, what do these people, what do these dead people have to do with the attacks and the aggressions on razza? you know, the fact that number one, we have um a group of of islamophobes that are too chicken to kind of go out and and do something about what they what they're feeling against, you know, living, breathing, grown men and women is one thing, but they're they're attacking, they're attacking gravestones, um, what if this was the... the way around is the question we
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should be asking, that's a good question, um, i believe we would have international condemnation, you know, there would be stories and investigations, and whereas this will just go under the radio, radar as most of the islamophobic incidents do, in the west, what else have you got for us? what i wanted to talk about is actually this is very, you know, when we've got the media perpetuating the weaponizing of anti-semitism and and pro israeli voices. we also have very clear um silencing of palestinian voices. let's have look. very interesting and important piece of information. the company handles relations with israel from tel aviv, led by an executive who once worked, guess where they worked, for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. that's the person who handles the the relationships with israel in tel aviv. from the meta team, just an
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interesting piece of information. now let's talk about the comments specifically, so what they're saying is that normally meta only begins to hide hateful comments when its systems are 80% certain that these comments of are qualify as hateful comments. so what happens later is that because of the continued posting and talking about the issue. meta increased its filters to hide comments where it's 60% sure that they qualify as hateful comments removing them, then what they say is that they reduced the threshold, so initially it's 80%, then of because of the crisis it's 60%, and now only lowering the bar to hide comment from users
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in palestinian territories only, if meta's automated system judged there was at least 25% chance, so from 80% to 60% to 25%, shut it all down, 25% threshold could be anything, to to call you as we know now, hateful, anything that they consider hateful, so what what do they consider hateful? the fact that you're calling for a free palestine, the fact that you're calling for a... free palestine from the river to the sea, these are things that you know they have taken from the liberation struggle of the palestinian people, and they have usaped and they've made it something hateful, now for them to dictate what is hateful and what is not, and for them to lower the threshold, only from people in palestinian territories really does show that the online community, number one is scared, that the the public opinion, the tide of public opinion is swaying so ferociously towards you know a pro-palestinian. because
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they can see what's being happening uh, but also that they are trying to silence what's happening in palestine. we don't actually hear enough about the things that are happening in the west bank. you know, we understand that all of the palestinians um across the occupied territories are dying for the opportunity to join their brothers and sisters in gazza against the the occupation, especially in this wave of the interfather, but we are unable to actually see the the... atrocities that they are committing in places where they no longer have the excuse of hamas to be there um and this kind of silencing of voices is is really um bringing about this um it's it's extending the genocide it's of extending the apartite and it's extending our complicity because we don't know what we what's happening over there but despite all of that what we have seen is the message get out. for people to have heard the
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palestinians and express solidarity with the palestinians for the past six or so weeks and one place i think you are taking us is uh no further than um ireland, yes let's let's watch this lovely woman and her soon to be husband, it's so outstanding, we know that the irish have always been, you know revolutionaries, they have been the um our example and our you, as palast and and our comrades against the um fight against occupation and oppression in general, you know ireland was one of the first countries or states in the world to kind of uh to uh boycot israeli brands and to declare it an apartide state and disassociate with it, um,
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but also this really speaks to me not just about the the irish spirit, but also the this new prioritization of palestinian struggle in everybody's lives, what's happened? on october the 7th is, it's reminded the world that this occupation is occurring in real time, and actually, you know, we should not be able to go about our day-to-day lives without at the very least thinking about the palestinian people and their struggle, and and this lady and her wedding party really have embodied that spirit, like we're going to continue living our lives, we're going to um thrive, but we are also going to do our bit for the oppressed in the world, and in this case palestine. and that's a spirit shared by millions of people from here to everywhere around the world. letifa, thank you very much. latifa will be back with more from the online conversation next time. now,
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the conversations taking place around the unfolding genocide in gaza are truly international citizens, appalled by what they are witnessing in real time, want to show solid. with the palestinian cause, but there are growing obstacles to that. earlier we spoke with the chairman of the tanzania palestine friendship society, abdullah othman, and asked him why tanzanians have not been allowed to hold processions in support the oppressed people of gaza, while tanzania used to be the biggest supporter of palestinian liberation in the past. the rule they say you should get, you should inform the police, if you want to make a protest, you should inform the police. but the time you inform police say no, not only to inform, to give you the permit and say there is a right to to accept or to refuse, so they say they give some excuse that we there is some problem, we get some information, maybe
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people they can misuse that protest to to make some rayots, but i don't accept that, but what to say because they have a right to to give the perment. refuse, people, they are so angry, they are upset why they refuse to give the permit and they don't have any bad record even for neighbor countries, uganda, kenya and south africa, they make protection, but there's no any disturbance there, the the go very peaceful, so say why tanzania, we have so worry, maybe we can make lot of problem, there is no problem, they want to make a peaceful protest just to show their feelings, to show their solidarity to the... abdullah othman also said that support for palestinian resistance is a cornerstone of tanzania's ethos as laid down by the country's founding father mulimoyarere, but the government of tanzania today have moved away from this ethors. you know most of the
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our leader now that leader came from the liberation movement, you know, and they don't want to go back to the history, that the main problem, you see, yeah, i think. they talk much about economic diplomacy yeah yeah you got surprised sometime people the from the leadership they ask what we will get if we support palestinian and every time telling i'm telling them that the not question of what we get from palestinian the question the palestinian they has a basic right to get their land we support we support prilimo we support mpla because they are right so to get their country to get their so why why today we try to not to be strong to to protest to the israel palestian to get their their right to get their lines i think the government that why they don't want to take a strong
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strong decision regarding that because there is established relation that open the embassy in tel aviv and lot of tanzanian people they complain. about that because they are not happy to open the embassy in tel aviv, but would like what you say, there's a lot of agreement between the israel and tanzania now, there are a lot of student, there are more than 200 student. study agriculture in israel, so i think the the government they try to to play a diplomatic approach regarding this issue, but even though the government they say the the request or they appeal for six fire in gaza. my guests, matthew alfred and muhammad desai are still with me. thank you, gentlemen for sticking around. let me start with muhammad. any reaction to any of the stories that we have covered so far? i think that one. on the one hand, whilst israel has especially on the african continent and to some degree
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attempting on in latin america, whilst israel has tried to use economics and has tried to use finance, has basically tried to bribe uh african states and african nations for its support or for their support for its positions. i think that israel in the main has been failing, i think that the... african continent, both a government level, but also a people level, are still ensuring that old links to the palestinian struggle and to the palestinian people are remaining and are only but increasing. we've seen this in the recent past, where israel attempted to enter the african union, but that decision is now being put on hold, we know that israel tried to had an africa israel conference, and that conference was cancelled. we know various other attempts, so whilst on the one hand, they are making these these, they are trying
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to make these avenues into the african continent, on the other hand, it is encouraging to see that african countries are resisting israel's, israel's overtures. matthew, uh, the story about the you, calls for criminal investigations into israel, so this is one thing, we're seeing certain countries, not all of them uh, of course, um, with... drawing recalling their ambassadors, there is called for boycotting israeli products or cutting um economic ties with it. do you think it's going to become a trend or will all of this, any of this have any uh real impact on the israeli regime moving forward? think a lot of it depends on the intransigence of the american empire. um, i think they they are very consciously aware of how um, their reign as the global hegemon. is coming to an end uh and whether they're in denial about that or certainly they know that
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they need to do something about that if they want to maintain that power and israel is key part of that um israel uh as president biden has said before uh if if israel didn't exist then we'd have had to have invented it and that is because it is their strategic outpost for economic and political domination in that region so it's going to be very... difficult for the united states to for the united states leadership to to pull back from that, that's their stated position, that's where they really want to be, yeah, and this can lead to perverse results as well, um, which can be really horrific, i was just thinking back to um, one of uh fahem's stories that she picked up about this separation of north and south um in israel, i mean it's the case, sorry in in gaza, um, it's the case in during the vietnam war, it was really interesting, i looked at the statistics on this few months ago. um obviously the united states was there to protect the south of vietnam for because
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that was where the democracy supposedly was, but um and against the communist dictatorship north, over two-thirds of the bombs that were dropped were in the south, because they would effectively they were um that old saying, we had to destroy the village to save it, they basically destroyed a country to save it, um and didn't do anything like as much in the north, um so this kind of these kind of um wars, these kind of um uh acts of domination can lead to very um very extreme uh extremely destructive and perverse results uh and those kind of things are going to start to happen now as this conflict um uh uh heat heats up even further particularly if we i think go beyond christmas i think there's a kind of tacit understanding and acceptance that perhaps this is going to wind up sometime in december yeah if it doesn't then all bets are off as to where this goes i know that arab countries don't really want to be involved, but how can they justify that to their
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populations if we go into the new year and we're still in the same position? you raised very good question, muhammed, this has been a pr battle as well as a physical one, it seems there are still attempts to shape the media narrative in this conflict, how do you see it? so i think that as matthew had said that the tipping point, the end of this the end of this. of israeli apart trade in many ways will happen as the way in which it happened in south africa where it was a multitude of factors that then contributed towards the demise of of the of the apart regime, it was the... struggle which played a vital and crucial role in our own liberation, it was the international community and it was a civil disobedience on the ground and the underground as well, and so i think that likewise in the in this current situation that we are witnessing, i think that global empire and the us domination is one factor and that is already being challenged by for
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example the formation of bricks or the the the rise of certain latin american countries. or iran or various various other countries uh to counter the sort of hegemony of the united states. now coming to the next part of it is the international as you have put it, the the sort of pr battle, the media battle, and i think that whilst on the one hand, us platforms or us own, us dominated platforms such as the meta controlled instagram and facebook, whilst we do have restrictions and we do have shadow. bands and we have other sorts of limitations that that people are experiencing. i think that we have for the for one of the first times ever, we have seen, while not withstanding these restrictions, we have seen the ability of palestinian voices to be coming out onto the global stage, where is before all media was controlled by the israeli regime, any
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messaging had to go past the israeli authorities, now we are seeing people with their cell phones, with their it. gadgets that are able to take this information and able to transfer it and communicate it into the international and global community. i do think that this year is part of the mobilization that we are witnessing. exactly, and lot of people you talk to tell you that they know someone in the gaza strip and they're in touch, and that's why these images have been getting out and spreading across the world, raising awareness about what's happening there. matthew mentioned, arab countries, let's get some reaction from them. qatar. minister has strongly condemned the ongoing israeli attacks in the gaza strip, calling for an immediatefire and an end to what he described as measures of genocide against palestinian civilians in the bessieg territory. let's listen into a bit of what sheikh muhammad bin abdulrahman athhani had to say. our wild today is witnessing the
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occupation army openly bragging about destroying hospitals and forcing the sick, wounded, doctors and displaced people to leave. at gun point and justifying this with unfortunately unproven claims. in the past few days we have seen attacks on all hospitals in the gaza strip, and we have also seen in full view and hearing from the whole world, the farsical plays that the occupation army was performing in these hospitals claiming that they are places of leadership the hamas movement. of course, what happened in a medical complex in the gaza strip, al-shifar complex, which is considered the largest complex in the gaza strip, the forced evacuation of hundreds of patients, dozens of... newborn babies and medical staff and thousands of displaced people is considered a crime, and unfortunately we did not hear a voice from the international community to condemn this. also there is a continuation of massacres against civilians, the most recent of which was the massacre that took place yesterday at alpha school of the united nations agency where we saw that there was no respect for international laws and norms.
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faahima muhammad is back with the follow-up to her first offering of palestine in the media, fahim. "what else has caught your eye? i think israeli attempts, desperate attempts to shift public opinion. yeah, following on from what you've been talking about, especially with your guests, we have tmj news network reporting that billionaire oligarth, barry sternich is reportedly um trying to get other rich oligars from wall street, hollywood and google to help him raise $50 million dollars um for a media campaign that would directly blame" the palestinian resistance um that are suffering um instead of you over the israeli regime so we can see that actually at the wake of this relentless war um now crossing over 40 days with over 12,000 mainly women and children killed and as you mentioned earlier it is i think children's day whether it's today or coming up soon so we actually do see that these uh
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digital media sort of platforms do play a huge part and obviously with this you know taking stand it makes a difference um to take this much sort of action. as also highlighted by highlighted by muhammad the side there, exto how racism and colonialism is playing out in this unfolding gen. yeah, we have an interesting video coming up soon from uh breakthrough news as well, um, sharing some the thoughts about the west and how they portray themselves in the past, but actually the mask are off now, not only with the south, with the entire world, including pockets in the north, because the west has discarded all its old pretenses from the cold war era, all the notion about ideals of freedom and equality and freedom of speech and... determination, all that is thrown out the window, we are witnessing today the west as it is, as we in the left in the arab world where now as young activist, we're saying and
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people did not believe us, don't believe their slogan, don't believe their democracy, they don't care about self-determination or human rights at all, they use them as tools to subjugate the population, and we're seeing it today, no, but today they suspended the discourse, and i think the time when we place west with israel is still colonialist. racist warmwing project infliting death and injury on palestinians. well, again, it's just highlighting what you've discussed earlier with your guests about you, the democracy is only for the rich, and obviously whatever values the west has, this is obviously the opposite and is going back into the past of what they were fighting for, but they themselves are now um showing that. and uh, tell us about israel's war and hospitals and how they are fairing. yes, even more so distressing to watch, please be warned with the next. video coming up from middle east eye as we hear the screams of the orphans and the widows and doctor reporting directly from the hospital as well الحمد لله رب العالمين
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الصراحات الثكاله والايام قبل والله ما يمتوا راائحه الموت وانفاس الموت رؤيه الموت وشبح الموت والموت موجود عندنا مستشفى كمال عدوان اصبح المستشفى الوحيد الذي يستقبل حال at one hospital um in ghaza at the moment as obviously al-shifa and the indonesia hospital obviously a non working and they also pass capacity and people are cueing up just for basic medical sort of aid, not even the serious wounds that can be seen to or anything operated with without anesthesia, so it's really dire situation right now under the un, gaza, a graveyard for children, definitely, thank you. from you tomorrow. now um, moving on with the discussion here, uh, starting with muhammad, um, we are still at the stage where all attempts a ceasefire have
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been blocked. what has to happen really to break this deadlock? the masses have already spoken, they want to see fire? i think that we're going to see a combination of two things. i think on the one hand, on on the one hand, i think that the us and i think the west uh going eventually have to accept the voices on the street and translate it into action within the states that they represent, i think that it's now becoming untenable the the the kind of clamor that is coming from the ground from the from the citizens of these various countries and it's only matter of time before the establishment has to accept these positions, i think that we are beginning to see some breaks within the establishment. and we do hope that this year that this year increases within the next few days because there is an extreme need for the israeli attacks that we are currently witnessing to come to an end, however i think
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that more importantly perhaps or equally importantly need for us to ensure that the it's not just about ending the israeli attacks on gaza, but it's also about ending israel's apart regime in that part of the world, and i think that we have like never before seen this mobilization on our streets for the people of. palestine and the test is now on how and the challenges on how how do we make sure that we take forward this energy and we take to take forward this motivation and this commitment to the palestinian people to ensure that their full liberation happens, because if this does not take place, we are going to witness another massacre and another genocide and another attack by israel on the palestinian people. let me ask squeeze one last question to matthew, so you know the talk of finding a political. solution, lasting political solution, is there the space even have that conversation given the amount of blood that we have seen, we have seen anger, hatred, vengeance, violations of international law by israel, is there the
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capacity for people to have a constructive conversation about this without accountability briefly? uh, yep, there is always the possibility of doing that, um, there's always the space for that, um, i would say that what's happened in in ukraine last year and what's happened in gaza this year does feel like sea change. it does, it really has broken that um that branch of of peace quite decisively, so it is going to be that much harder to get back into a into a into any kind of normal see uh normal conversation. one thing i would say is that i think it's worth bearing in mind that although i've got all my knowledge for the past six weeks from the mainstream media, news media, if you actually look at systematic analysis of the of western media, it remains bias in particular there was not good reporting of very public calls including 66% of the american public for a ceasfire, there was almost no reporting and two-thirds of britains and also that that kind of...
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statistic has been um replicated in other studies um where uh almost no uh mainstream news organization including cnn and cbs will actually use that word at least back in october it's obviously improved a little bit since then in fact fox news the right wing uh organization used the term ceasefire twice as much as those other organizations why because it wanted to ridicule it wow matthew thank you and with those comments we are coming to the end of the show let me thank my guests once again, matthew alfred and muhammad desai. gaza under attack will be back tomorrow with more, until then, continue to keep palestine in your hearts. goodbye.
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the headlines, leader of iran's islamic revolution says, the israeli regime was knocked out by the palestinian resistance group hamas during the alassa. flood operation. israel's brutal war on the gaza strip enters its 47th day as the death toll from the regime's genocidal war surpasses 14,000. also in our headline, samas says that it is agreed to four-day humanitarian truce in gaza, which includes exchange of prisoners with israel and entry of aid trucks.