in the uk so what we know about the protests is that they are incredibly successful um so much so that there have been a great a great push to delegitimize their effectiveness we look at the mainstream media and the fact that they downplay the numbers that are coming out we look at the policies and the rhetoric that is being used to describe these kind of movements as hate marches that they're going to make it anti-semitic to say from the... to the sea palestine will be free, that even a child, a 16-year-old was um was arrested because she held up a placard that said zinism is racism, as if that is not a fact, as if that is some sort of trope, um, but in all of this, we are still seeing some people with the audacity to look at their own inconveniences rather than the greater the greater, exactly the was against humanity, let's have look. at this lady, the the feast

of christmas coming up, yeah, you know, and i don't want that to get in the way of people protesting, christmas is beautiful tradition, it's a beautiful christian and service here and and and you know all over the world, the birth of christ, this is a big big uh thing for us christians, yeah, please let not that overshut, please let not the palistin, so it's a christian thing, and you muslims deal with your own problem, basically is what she's saying. and and what she was ending with actually is, please let not what's going on with palestine and and gaza and israel, let it not overshadow our christmas celebration. i'm a christian, this is an important thing to me celebrating the birth of jesus. i'm i'm genuinely flabbergasted, it's someone who who feels that that is genuine feeling to have, a request that they can make when there are literally people being burnt alive, people. being pulled out

from under rubble, and fair jews, as a christian, christmas of course is very important time, but who you celebrating, you're celebrating the birth of a palestinian, someone who has walked the streets that are being bombarded, someone who has preached, pardon me, has preached and spread the word of god in the very streets and in the very cities that you are reducing to rubble, you know that for all we know there are descendants of or um relatives of jesus that have... um who are still being for all we know there are palestinians there who are related to jesus that are being killed and attacked who who is it that you are celebrating who is it that you are trying to honor very good question regardless of how she feels that is not definitely not the way the christians in palestine will be celebrating christmas this year absolutely you know what we're about to see is is the strong stance with with the uh with the

palestinians of gazza, because this is one thing that we need to understand about palestinians, we see ourselves as one nation, we are all one people, and that love and that respect has always been there, and in fact it has been made stronger by the occupation, because we have identified each other as brothers and sisters who are fighting a common enemy, you know, palestinians are christian, they are jewish, they are, they are muslim. and it is only fitting that the palestinians of um uh the christian palestinians of bethlehem are not going to be decorating and adorning you know their homes and their streets in in this you know usual in the usual fashion because it's the time to morne it is a time to morne because one a lim of theirs is being attacked and if they see themselves as as one entity which the palestinians do they are not going to be celebrating when they are in pain. all right,

letifa, we're going to have to leave it there, thank you. latifa, we'll be back with more next time. earlier, we spoke to louis castro, who is a journalist based in barcelona, spain, and an analyst on latin american affairs. we asked him how both spanish and latin american, americans, rather, were assessing the massacre in gaza. the perception of the latin american society. is openly supportive of the palestinians for obvious reasons, latin america itself has been a continent that's been suffering from abuse from war powers like the usa, etc. etc. etc. so it's easy for latin americas to sort of like take the side of what it is, the weak side in this story, so when you go to different countries and you talk to people on the streets, you can easily say, you can easily see how they link to... were

supporting the palestinian cause and they are obviously outraged by the fact that so many children have been murder with no compassion that israel is not respecting - any of the treaties or any of the truths like um given by even organizations across the world to be to have a break in this situation so yeah so definitely the latin americans are very supported just i would say the only probably in argentina is where you find a little bit of more more resistance but generally speaking all the latinos are supporting the palestinian course here in spain because also there's a transition of government. like the the some of the ministers in charge have been very very strong supporters of the palestinian cose itself, but on the streets of spain, generally speaking, when you when you talk about this, the most in general is of support of palestine, and the situation in

gaza, the media in spain, surprisingly so has been very open to support palestine and to constantly uh and constantly denounce and constantly show the abuses of the state of israel over the gaza strip, so it's been kind of surprising and shocking actually, because normally the media in spain tends to to have to have a speech the leaning towards the right, but in this case i have to admit that when you switch on the news here in in any side of spain, you see lot of coverage mostly from the palestinian side talking constantly about... the assassinations, the bombings, etc. etc. that the state of israel has been uh, has been throwing over the gaza strip. louis castro further said that with the exception of few countries, the tide both in the eu region and in latin america is changing rapidly as people are seeing through

israel's right to defend itself propaganda. if you start by the eu, even the strongest, most right? winded politicians in europe have had to sort of admit at some point and even call israel to stop like even vonderlayen or borrel people that are openly supporters of israel have come to the conclusion at some point to actually sort of like ask them to stop and if you go and in latin america is the same like the the mood of the people in general is of open support, it's like is obvious when you when you start seeing real news and you realize what the israeli regime has been throwing over palestine over the last month, the amounted children, families completely destroyed infrastructure, absolutely no respect for human rights or

international law as usual, so is is easily is is is impossible to completely be uh supporting the state of israel in the... this case unless you are just a blinded supporter of israel like like as as i just mentioned the the new elected president of argentina so only this group of people will always have an excuse and they will always say that israel has the right to defend himself which is the the neverending excuse of this regime over the last decades so in this case i can openly say that my perception is that the changing the... the perception of the general people, the general public all around the world is changing. guess the vanabond and pablo navarati have state the course, thank you gentlemen for your patience. let me put this next one to pablo, and and pablo, we have all

heard the biden and the babies incident, the so-called decapitated baby that babies that have has already been debunked. as a journalist, what does that say? about the dangers of media disseminated false news and the united states attitude towards this conflict? i mean, propaganda, i mean, propaganda that serves the interest of israel and the us, you, this latest one was just the latest in a in a series of of lies perpetrated and disseminated by the media. i mean, the great australian journalist john pilger has documentary that came out few years ago called the war you don't see, which dissects the way that the mainstream media, britain and us laid the foundations for

softening up public opinion for the illegal invasion and occupation of iraq, so that the role that the media plays in in sort of. is is crucial, mean without the fact that the the major newspapers and the major television stations carry a pro israel bias - means that people are not aware means that people think that this started on the 7th of october with hamas's attack when in fact you know this is did not start then and and and the sort of oppression against the palestinians has been going on for you know at least 75 years and without that crucial cont what the media should be informing uh people about uh really the fact that they are a derelication of duty

on their part means that the democracies in places like the uk are really uh you know get to a stage where it's hard to really um properly call them democracies when you have a media that refuses to give even the most basic reasonable amount of information on issues such as and now we're seeing it today so um yeah unless we need to desperately find a way of of of puncturing that those lies, and as as a journalist, as documentary filmmaker, someone that works in independent media, um, that's the challenge, because you know the the media that we have is not fit for purpose, not fit for purpose, let's let's go back to the vanabon, um, i want to ask about again your journey, um, you mentioned that you you looked at the protesters and then you went, these are smart people, and you started digging deeper, to learn more, and that that um let you to start questioning everything, yeah, to wake up, tell, tell me about that, how you got to that point, and

and perhaps the message you have for people such as yourself, out there, well, i think essentially this is is lot deeper than what people see in the media, it's in my opinion, it's about arrogance, deep arrogance from both jewish and scientists, unfortunately, if you think you're special or special, more special than any everybody else. then i just don't go around and say it to everybody, that's one, second, if you are special then you just, you don't say it and you actually do good for the world, if you don't if you don't do that and do the opposite then you're not that special are you, so i think that's that's what this, i mean look at the entire world, the entire world is angry, like it's it's normal, like you can't just create all this imbalance in the world, control all the tech companies, all the hollywood thing, all the whatever wherever you look, and not not put anything back. so i think this is about arrogance, i think. it's about arrogance. uh,

what do you think? pablo, is this about arrogance on the part of of the israeli government? yeah, i mean, it's it's a obviously rooted in kind of ideology that that sees as your guess says, special in the sense that they are the chosen people, there's a right to go and occupy people and and and you know bomb them and kill. them because there's a supremecist attitude uh to this and so yeah arrogance perhaps is one way of talking about it and and behind that i mean obviously the us is motivations i think you know people uh this need to dominate i think comes from uh who knows i mean the greed perhaps is another massive motivator of the just the insatiable greed that capitalism uh certain societies capitalistic societies have people just want to need to accumulate more and more and more - hence you know the

destruction of the planet and and just the need to dominate and take other people resources so yeah arrogance greed there's a lot of kind of probably traits there but uh yeah ultimately i think i think we we have to find we're in dark times uh as as you as louis said in in your peace in latin america there is perhaps more hope than in other places around uh challenges to these to these you know warmungering actions and rhetorics and so i guess we you know we need to support these initiatives governments are looking to at least challenge and and we need we need to stop stop we need to find a way to call out governments to account and stop the genocide because the killing in our name is just is you know devastating to interject for those of us who are not well versed in that american history what informs uh these countries's a position on apartite israel per

say? sorry, could you say, i can't hear that properly, what informs? what, what informs the position that number of latin american countries have taken on israel from withdrawing their ambassadors to cutting diplomatic ties, just under half of the countries to have cut, withdrawn their ambassadors from israel, were in latin america, bolivia was one of them. yeah, as i said earlier, i mean latin america is. region that has been called the us's backyard, so it's a victim of of settler colonialism, both you, initially by europeans and then more recently by by us uh by the us government and so there is a shared history of of being a victim of imperialism and chegavada famously visited gaza, it was 50 years in in september that there was a coup in chile as i spoke earlier my parents were you know imprisoned and then forced to fleet given exile to the uk but also in september 23 cuba was the first under casto was the first country to

break relations with with israel and so that revolutionary there's a revolutionary. i think and solidarity with palestine that goes back, historic, historic bond, i lived in venezuela for two years, between 2005 and 2007, the high point of ur chavez is government and ur chavez was a champion of the palestinian cause, someone was seen as a hero to to palestinians and to those that supported palestinians, so i think that in america has a shared history that means that it cannot be blind to the injustices and to the savagery. inflicted on palestine today and historically. wow, um, let's hear more from the united nations and and the plight of palestinian children. katherine russell, executive director of the united nations children's fund, unicef addressed the security council via video link and revealed some sobering statistics. according to unicef, more than 5,300 palestinian children

have reportedly been killed in 46 days of fighting. that's more than 115 per day. based on these figures, children account for 40% of the deaths in gaza. the unicef chief went on to say the following. in other words, today, the gaza strip is the most dangerous place in the world to be a child. we are particularly concerned by reports of increasing numbers of displaced children who have been separated from their families along evacuation corridors to the south, or who are otherwise arriving unaccompany. need to hospitals for medical care. these children are especially vulnerable and they urgently need to be identified, provided with temporary care and giving access to family tracing and reunification services. unicef is strongly opposed to the establishment of so-called safe zones. no place is safe in the gaza strip, and the proposed zones do not have the

infrastructure or protection measures in place to meet the needs of such large numbers of civilians. fahima muhammad is back with the follow-up to her first offering of palestine in the media, and fahiima starting with how important it is to contextualize as we heard pablo say earlier, the october 7th attack? yeah, absolutely. we have again uh this post about um the israeli right um having a focus on the um notion of um 2005 disengagement and using that failure as an excuse is to what. is now in the moment when actually there has been a continuous um sort of like um agenda to actually you know take away the palestinians from their areas and even if they were concentrating on ghaza it was actually where the settlements were also happening as we even speak now um in the west bank and they want to continue so that they

can actually do that for the the ghaza strip as well so you know these are sort of like the fallaasies false policies that are being there and put out there as a diversion as to what really is happening and what they really really want, so this post kind of like talks about this engagement which was led by ariel charon and the right-wing politicians early 2000s and this engagement plan means that freezing the political process, but when you freeze the political process, you prevent the establishment of the palestinian state, so this is very important that we understand this, it's not because of just the f is because of the agendas that they have in the first place. all right, what has amnesty international being saying about it? well, again, we have a video here, um, basically talking about the fact that the head of amesty speaks about there's no delivery of justice. there is no sort of again, looking at the daily oppression of palestine, it is

not something that we have to look at as just what happened on october the 7th, there is so much. context and history behind all of this, and she highlights that in this video, the amigia of the western world right now to um, forget that there is a context to what is happening now, it is a context of repression, oppression, occupation and apartite and it's a very important point, exactly, because when we talk about them having permits to enter and and not having... sort of freedom to walk on certain part of the streets, that is oppression, that is aparthide, for example, and that's just one of so many things to dehumanize them before even these things happen, so it's really important. that we do see and hear this, yeah with the so-called disengagement that you mentioned earlier, what they basically did was move the prison guards, from inside the prison to outside the prison, you know, there has been a naval, air

and land blocade on the ghaza strip for 16 years exactly, exactly, not exactly disengaged, and finally, um, as we still wait for that fragile truth to take effect, i wonder if it has while we're on air, but didn't before we did, and and a reminder of the horrors that gosons have been going through for the past six weeks or so? yes, absolutely, this post by al-jazera, which can be played and i'll sort of talk about it as we actually see this unfold, talks about what's been happening um, you know day after day since october you know the 7th with regards to the bombings of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, mosks, places of residential. buildings and most of like ghaza now is just been flattened and it's showing that majority of um you know these people were civilians, they were innocent men,

women, children, elderly, and even people that should be protected in the hospitals have been you know killed, um, so this is really a sort of outline of what's been happening so far, unfortunately, and also top of that, you know, depriving them of water. electricity and not giving them the basics in order even um sort of help themselves through this tragedy. that's for sure. fahim muhammad, thank you very much. we'll hear more from you tomorrow, that's for sure. now just over uh six weeks in um and and there might be some respite in sight, though the details are fuzzy. um, pablo, what, what are your hopes? um, about where things may lead hence forth? uh, it's yeah, it's it's hard i guess to, i mean, at the at the very human

level, you just need, you want the palestinians to stop being bombed, you want to stop seeing the images, the daily images of of children, of dead children, of dead people, you want the barbarity to stop, um, i want the british government to be called to account for for its. i i think the media has to also somehow the mainstream media has to also be called into account um but yeah the palestinians need a respite and and it's for the palestinians to decide of how they how they move forward and what how they how they are represented and and look for some level of justice uh for the future um i'm not in it wouldn't be in a position for me to to speculate as to what that may look like but it's for the palestinians. decide on how they they um search for justice uh in the future. it's a very valid point. uh, the vanabon, um,

there was a lot of um talk coming out of the government here, the former home secretary, calling people who came out to support the palestinians as hate marchers, um, they almost criminalized certain chance, um, and lot of talk about... about how the jewish community community here feels unsafe, you're a jewish man, you've been to the protests, did you feel threatened? nothing at all, there was actually three or four jewish people standing with the sign, this jew stands with gaza, and i went in tears one time that i saw this arab woman hugging her and goes, like it was the most magic like you know it could be like that, but but it's not like. like i want to be optimistic, but let's look at the definition of optimism, like i, the way things are right now, i just don't

think i want to, but it's really hard, but to your point i was completely safe, i was like there was orthodox people, yeah uh with with the you know, yeah, i met them too, and you know, it was inspiring, but that moment of the arab woman hugging this jewish woman. was incredible, well we can see more of that moving forward, that's for sure. now uh pablo, final question to you, briefly, do palestinians have a right um to feel led down by the international community? absolutely, i mean, they have been let down by you know, arguably the neighboring uh governments in the region uh, by the us, by the uk, i mean, "i don't know if they should expect not to be let down really, but maybe they should expect for the citizens of these of what are considered democracies in the us and the uk

uh to be able to to stop." their governments uh aiding and abeting uh the israel's genocide against them and i think that's valid and that's why i say i'm i feel deeply ashamed uh as a as a british citizen that um that our government that my government even though obviously didn't vote for this conservative government um that this british government is secretly you know sending flights uh that is supports israel to the hill that flies out in the midst of genocide so yeah palestinians um fully justified in feeling let down and and uh all i could say is uh as a british citizen i apologize for not for not being able to contribute to stopping my government in its barbarity and in aiding and abeting israel's barbarity. i'm sure you're doing your bit to make that happen. pablo thank you very much with those comments we're going to wrap up this show and let me thank again my guests the vanabon as

well as uh pablo navarati for sharing their thoughts with us. gaza under attack will definitely be back tomorrow with more. until then, continue to keep palestine in your hearts. thank you.