this is not war, it is systematic, but whatever will never die. hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine classified, we're the only weekly tv show focusing on investigating and exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with the illegally occupied people in palestine. in this week show we'll be looking at the relentless. an unflinching

determination of the palestinian people to throw off the shaftist oppression. the sadistic brutality of zianist military goons and the savage behavior of illegal settlers have completely failed to blunt the will of the palestinian people to resist. the teakra has been looking back at the first interfader when the palestinian rose up against israel's military occupation of the west bank and the g drip. the first interfather or upprising began in december 1987, 36 years ago. it ended in september 1993 with the signing of the first oslo accords, which provided a framework for so-called peace negotiations with the palestinians. the failure of that process is visible for all to see today. in the first interfather, israeli brutality was abundantly demonstrated. palestinians casualties at ratio of more than 3-1. one new departure were the orders from the top to break the bones of protesters. the tactic was exposed in famous footage broadcast on mainstream news networks the world over.

israel was tried for his part in these of crimes. he blamed this minister yitak rabin who gave orders in january 1988 to break bones protesters punishment. rabbin claimed it was only to under control. the way rabbin's orders had gone out via the israeli press where he was quoted saying we will break their bones. may admitted ordering beatings, but then said i feel like they abandoned me and threw me to dogs. he reportedly began to cry minutes later. and asked for a recess, though eventually found guilty of brutality, the highest ranking iof soldier convicted on that charge, he avoided prison and was only stripped of his rank and discharged as a private. second departure was the use of desquads in ghazza and the west bank, code named chim shum and dove devan, officially known as unit 367 and unit 217. operating in arab dress in the period until 1992, they executed more than 100 palestinian. unit 367 was later disbanded, of

but unit 217 remains active in west bank. the start of the interfather is dated to 9th of december 1987, just like october 7th this year, the conflict didn't begin then. the proximate causes were intensified ethnic cleansing, land expropriation and settlement construction. increasing zinous depression, the emergence of new layer of palestinian activists who challenged the leadership of the. we should not forget the striking reconfiguring of. october the 7th luxa flood operation in the night of the gliders in which two palestinian gorillas used hand gliders to infiltrate the northern border and kill six occupation force operatives on 25th of november 1987. the gorillas were immortalized in many palestinian posters and images produced in commemoration and guiding attacks held from the popular front for the liberation of palestine, which is one of key gorilla groups engaged in the alls of flood and ghazza. a key difference between then and now is today's unity of the fields in which all the... fact collaborate closely in armed

actions against the occupation. as always, of joined by our resident expert dave miller. dave is academic and a former professor at bristol university, and he's now a non-resident senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs at istanbul z university. he's also a co-director of watch dog spinwatch and is the leading british scolarly critic of israel. our guest today is the palestinian doctor, activist, academic and writer, dr. garda cary. garda was born in jerusalem and for from her home during the nakbar. she later trained as a medical doctor and established the first british palestinian medical charity in 1972. she was also an fellow at the royal institute international affairs and her books include the best selling memoire in search of fatima. welcome to the show, let me start with you, you were forced out of the palestine in 1948 were you, and there is the occupation of and the west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time the first infarder, well i of course i had already... uh become

an activist following the 1967 war, because it was the first time i remember that i began to understand what israel was about, and it was very clear to me from that day on. that what they were about keeping rest of palestine and that that's what they wanted and first and the father was so hopeful, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as you living through the 70s in israel was becoming more and more accepted and it was becoming more and more normalized and you know so we we started to feel a bitless that you know and then comes the first. you think we didn't was first then comes in father and which and which reasserts the fact that there there's a palestine people and they are not willing to accept what is has been scripted for them by israel and its western backers by the way in

any discussion we have we have always to remember that israel would not be israel if it were not for western support no. so what i mean you've been involved in palestinian activism for quite some time now, i think you were first got involved didn't you in question of palestine drawing that first into f in 1987 and think i was have to say those brutal beatings wasn't it of those palestinian testers? yes, mean one of the first things i did in a supposed pro palestine activ didn't really think of it that then was when we saw the breaking of the bones the famous footage of that and then the bbc reported one of the soldiers had been arrested for the... the bones being shown home released from custy to his kibuts and he was welcomed the gentle giant who was returning to the busomo's family and we were just outraged at this at the time i was working at the university i was young not even a phd student by that stage and we went into something in glasgow called the video

box which is several of them around the country uh where channel 4 to reply program one of the key benefits of the creation of channel 4 in terms of democratizing the media where you can go and you can make a 30 second to complain about so we went in, i think three or four of us crammed into this box and we think it's an outrage that the bbc should refer to these horrific torturers as being gentle giants and the bbc we have proper coverage of this and so that was one of my first bits of education about the way in which propaganda operates yeah absolutely and of course it's move a pace since then of course but mean how was the zinish regime's oppressive techniques changed since the 1980s when they officially sanctioned the kind of bone breaking beatings and these uh undercover fascinations: well, they've caught worse, they don't bother to break people's bows, they shoot them dead, so that is amazing, the idea and spectacle of soldiers shooting palestinians, killing them, yes, outright has become so part of the normal

landscape, and that's what's so very frightening about all this, is that zen violence, which was there right from the start, and you mentioned that, i was victim the the... in 1948, the point about as as and the same point today is the violence, is the violence the company designism, and so that violence meant that moving on from breaking bones just simply shoot the people dead, no indeed, indeed, it's more visible now, i think that isn't it's ever been in the past with the advent of social media, so more people are aware of the what the desanism, reality zionism is, but mean the first interfard didn't it with the with the oslows and of course many people at the time think this was the beginning of viable peace process didn't they? but as it turned out that was just if you recall that period we had the irish process african process mandela released from prison uh it looked like this

is part of tendency in the world to move towards uh resolving political conflicts of course that was a mistake we see now that nothing of the sort was happening and the fact of course what happened was the plo had recognized the design entity and had also uh renounced uh effectly armed resistance against entity and that of course led to the marginalized authority of course the corridor authority as it is and which collaborates directly with the zianists to repress the resistance movement that meant that the but power in the resistance shifted away from the plo especially from the lead faction and towards more openly itally oriented movements especially of course. the islam, but you know, also the let's remember the the uh the secular leftist factions like the dflp, which are which are of course all these factions are now at the center of the resistance in gaza, yeah i do, but i mean what was the problem with with the oslo process? well,

well, there was nothing right with it, actually, it was full problems, the first, the first issue is that the palestinian side offered recognition of israel within the borders of um the the borders which meant that it kept 78% of the original land of palestine recognized their right to that. but while actually getting very little in return, because what they actually got was recognition on the israel of the palestine liberation organization as the movement that represents the palestinians, okay, good, but that's not good enough, there was nothing, people really need to remember, there was nothing in the os agreement which made it mandatory that the israel would move towards assisting in the creation of a... state that was never over stated, it was something that the palestinians sort of assumed, and lots of

other people assume, but they had no right to assume it, but it wasn't in accords, and secondly, what it really did was to sort of give a structure to the idea of autonomy, of palestinan autonomy in certain spheres, which was on for ages, the egypt israel treat 1979. "it already was something which the israel side is willing to agree to, and so-called autonomy, well that, it allowed for autonomy, but for things, health, education, civil society type things, but not for defense, and not for freedom of movement, so it it what it really did was give if i think the best way to put is, it it presented a sort of feelwood, yes." seeing other people, well, well, would you leave it there, if we can for moment, because i want to come back to the

discussion in a while, i've had a chance to look at our next video about the genesis of hamas is an acronym, which translates simply as islam resistance movement, resistance is, in other words, literally part of its name, hamas was effectively. born as a die result the spark that lit the flame of the first interfada, the people who created it met the day after the occupation forces killed four palestinian workers by crashing into their car at the gaz checkpoint issued on december the 14th calling for resistance is considered their first public intention, though the name hamas itself was not used until early 1988. like its key ally in the palestinian resistance, the islamic jihad movement in palestine, usually called... palestinian islam jihad or pij in the west, hamas was formed from the muslim brother, though the

brotherhood was politically quietest at the time, both hamas and islam jihad became more radical, seeking to challenge the dominance of fata, the secular nationalist group, then hegemonic amongst the palestinians. this task became all the more central once fatih accepted the existence of the state of israel and rennounced arm struggle. looking back, it is clear that the first infada was a fork in the road. between those who believed compromise could lead to progress and those who maintained only resistance could win. hamas was formed one month after pillow led declaration advocating coexistence with the zinanis entity early 1988. after oslo and then the gaza withdrawal 2005, hamas entered and won the elections in gaza and became de facto government. the armed wing of hamas, the is al din al-hasim brigade, has been branded as terrorist organization. for more than 20 years in 2021, the uk moved to ban hamas in total, including its political wing.

since the launch of alxa flood on october 7, there has been a propaganda war over the role of hamas in the resistance, in the idea that hamas was created or supported by the zionists. this misunderstands the history by confusing the support given by designs to the politically quietest muslim brotherhood in order to undermine the more radical plo with the... more militant politics associated with hamas. later, when ariel schron tempted liquidate the plo, hamas did benefit, but its victory in the 2006 election marked the realization of the zionis that it had become their main enemy. since then, they were marked periods when the various factions of the resistance were at odds with each other, but in the most recent years all resistance factions have made peace and work as one. just say a word to will you about the muslim. brotherhood in palestine so the muslim brother of course is a transnational movement

if you like with independent parts different countries one in the uk and of course this been very much targeted uh in this country for example was investigation uh under the cameron government uh which is prompted by zienius interests lobbing for that investigation to suggest that muslim brotherhood were terrorists now of course muslim brotherhood is uh terrorist organization and uh in this country it's politically active uh has been the anti-war movement, very important to the anti-war movement, but in palestine there were two separate factions of muslim brother, the egyptian muslim brotherhood and the jordanian muslim brotherhood in gaza, yeah. and they were at the time quite politically quiet and so that what you found was plo as kind of radical nationalist organization by far the most radical threat to designity because they were engaged struck the muslim brotherhood it was a split from the muslim brother which led both to palestine jihad which of course is more radical although smaller of the movements today and of course hamas once they

became radical cutting of resistance that's when the the idea of using them to undermine the plo became which designs didn't want to do, and of course that's the story right, the hamas was not created by by israel, the idea that somehow it's a cat's core for west interests is is a fantasy, people in the pro palestine movement should andon any such beliefs and understand the resistance of palestine is serious resistance against not just des entity but against western interest and imperialism in the whole region, yeah well god you like just to say something about the evolution of of your thinking on resistance? "well, look, it was always very clear to me from the very from the, i suppose from the very beginning of my activism or my awareness, that that we'd have to fight to get our country back, it was always very clear to me that whatever name wanted to give it, the the the end result had to be the

reclamation of palestine and all of it for the palestinians and that those palestinians like myself, "the millions living in un registered refugee camps, all those people had the right to go back and reclaim their homeland, it was always very clear to me that that was the aim. so next question was, how do we get there? and i was really willing to support anything that, almost anything, that would looked as if might get us there, yeah, that included different, i never..." a sort of felestinians are like me didn't sort of think, will we only support this if it's religiously motivated or if it's uh this kind of thing or that kind of really? i think it's much simpler than that palestinians, they just want to get the country back and they'll back whatever it is that looks likely to get

us there. now having of course said that, i can't disgus the fact that i was never keen on religious type resistance movements, because i always felt that they missed the point. the point about palestine is not religion, it's theft of land, it's very simple, so really you have to get all of the thief and sort the thief out and get the land back, so you don't need religion as a as motivating factor, however, i have to say that over time and observing the way that... not only hamas but hizballah in lebanon has fought uh their resistance wars so not only bravely but so cleverly yeah uh is very impressive and if and in the end i ended up by saying not only me but many others like me by saying well if it takes religion to get you to function like this so be it indeed

indeed i think one of the important takeaways from the video that we just watched is that it contradicts doesn't it those who claim that hamas was created by design? it does, this is a mistake that you saw in the film there clip from the intercept, but there be many other kinds of arguments like that, and and you see i've seen lots of people tweeting with netanyahu talking about supporting him out, it's a mistaken, it's a misunderstanding, and of course what we really see is... is the the attempt on parts the letter think to misunderstand the resistance in palestine and and to think because because of the horror that we currently are seeing because of the dead children, the bombing of the buildings, the raising of gaza, people think that means that the palestinians can do nothing, and their only choice is to is to stay in the and die or to leave into the s, which of course

design is st, but actually what we what we see if we pay close enough attention is there has been really very... significant resistance in gaza and indeed of course in in the west bank uh and of course also on the northern border from hisballah very very serious resistance which has had really significant effects on the the forces and we're not seeing much of the reporting of that western media but if you're paying attention to social media to telegram you see lot of that kind of stuff and that it's a mistaken to think that that isn't happening and that isn't a significant actor in in this whole period when of course it's a very very significant actor we would never have had the changes for the the palestinian hostages in israel wasn't for that, of course, of course, i mean, um, i mean, what would you say to those who insist that we must condemn hamas morgan is a classification point every ever had when talking about this issue, first as some? you condemn hamas? what should the response be? well, it's good that you bring this up, because it's really infuriating. you, you are being asked important question,

and before allowed to answer, you have first to make this declaration, i condemn hamas. well, no, the the the really the prop answer to that is, this not a question of condemnation, it's a question of trying to understand why people behave like this, what makes them do that? that's what really that it has to face this issue of this word condemn, you know, and the other way to deal with it, which is not original to me, but it's perfectly great, is to ask the the person asking one this question, when did you last condemn an israeli spokesperson or representative for the actions of the israeli army? there's a good response i saw on social media where somebody was asked. about in a demonstration, what about october the 7th? well, what about october the 8th, what about october, october the 11th, they tried to walk away, i haven't finished answering the question yet, going on, and then he was

saying, and what about you, every every day 1948, so yeah, i mean, i think you're absolutely right, we do need to to put back back against that, but look, i'm afraid to say we are out of time, so that's it for another show, i'd like to thank our guest, doctor, and of course our resident expert professor david miller, classified, we'll be back next week with... forensic investigations and analysis and in the meantime you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates and remember to share today's on your social media platforms, so until next time, this is saying bye for now.

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