children have to be anni, this is not a war, it is systematic gen palestine will never die, hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine decified, we're the only weekly tv show focusing on investigating an exclusing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with the occupied people palestine in week's show we'll be looking at

the relentles and unflinching determination of the palestinian people to throw the shackles of science depression, the sadistic brutality of zinist military goons, savage behavior of illegal settlers have completely failed to blunt the will of the palestinian people to resist. the teaf chakra has been looking back at the first interfada when the palestinian people rose up against israel's military occupation of the west bank and the gaza strip. the first interfather or uprising, began in december 1987 (36 years ago) it ended in september 1993 with the signing of the first lo accords which provided a framework the so-called peace negotiations with the palestinians. the failure of that process is visible for all to see today. in the first interfather, israeli brutality was abundantly demonstrated. palestinies were casualties at the ratio of more than three to one. one new departure were the orders from the top break the bones of protesters. the tactic was exposed famous footage. broadcast on mainstream news

networks the world over israeli colnel yehud was tried for his part in crimes, he blamed the defense minister, rabbin who gave orders in january 1988 to break bones of protesters as punishment. rabin claimed it was only to bring them under control. either way, rabin's orders had gone out via the israeli press where he was quoted saying, "we will break their bones." may admitted ordering beatings, but then said, "i feel like they abandoned me and..." to the dogs, reportedly began to cry minutes later and asked for a recess, though eventually found guilty of brutality, the highest ranking ios soldier convicted on that charge, he avoided prison and was only stripped of his rank and discharged as a private. second departure was the use of undercover dead squads in gazza and the west bank, codenamed shim sham and van, officially known as unit 367 and unit 217, operating in arab dress in the... period until 1992, they

executed more than 100 palestinians. unit 367 was later disbanded, but unit 217 remain active in the west bank. the start of the interf that is dated to 9th of december 1987, just like october 7th this year, the conflict did not begin and the proximate causes were intensified lensing, and expropriation and settlement construction, increasing zionist repression, the emergence of new layer of palestinian activists who challenged the... leadership of the plo. we should not forget the striking reconfiguring of october operation in the night of gliders in which two palestinians used hand gliders to infiltrate the northern border and kill occupation force operative on 20th of november 1987. the gorillas were immortalized in many palestinian posters and images produced in commemoration. the hand gliding attacks held from the popular front for the liberation of palestine, which is one of the key gorilla groups engaged of gaza. a key difference. between then and now is today's

unity of the fields in which all the major factions collaborate closely in armed actions against the occupation. as always, we're joined by our residence expert vid miller. david is academic and a former professor at bristol university and now a non-resident senior research fellow islam and global affairs at istanbul university. he's also a directory israel. our guest is the palestinian academic writer dr. garmi. was born in... and forced from her home during of the nba. she later trained as a medical doctor and established the first british palestinian medical churty 1972. she was also associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and her books include the bestselling memoir in search of fatima. welcome to the show. god, let me start with you. i mean, you were forced out of palestine in 1948 weren't you, and then witness the occupation of gaza and the west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the high of the first interf. well, i had, of course, i had already

uh become an activist following the 1967 war, because it was the first time i remember that i began to understand. israel was about, and it was very clear to me from that day on, that what they were about is occupying the rest of palestine and that's what wanted. um, the first father was so hopeful, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as, you living through the 70s in britain, israel's becoming more and more accepted and it was becoming more and more could normalized, and you know so... we started to feel a bit hopeless, you way, in and then comes first and you, well of course we did not first then, it comes an entif which in which reasserts the fact that there a palestinian people and they are not willing to accept what is has been scripted for them

by israel and western backers, and by the any discussion we have, we have always to remember that israel would not be israel if it were not for western support? no, absolutely. well, you've been involved in activism, first quite some time. i think you were first got involved didn't you question of palestining that first to far in 1987, was after seeing this brutal beat wasn't it of those palestinian protesters? yes, the first things i ever did in, i suppose palestine act really think of it as that then was when we saw the breaking of the bones, the famous footage of that, and then the bbc reported. one of the soldiers had been arrested for the making of the bones, being shown home, released from custody to his cuts, and he was welcomed as gentle giant who was returning to the bosom of his family, and we were just outraged at this at the time, i was working at the glass university media group, i was young even a phd by that stage, and we went

into something in glasgow called the video box around the country uh where channel 4's like to reply program, one of the key benef creation of channel 4 in terms of democratizing the media where you go in and to make a 30 second clip to complain about something, i think before of us crummed into this b, it's that the bbc should refer to these horrific tortures as being giants and the bbc should have proper coverage of this, so that was one of my first bits of education the way in which propaganda operates relation to to, yeah, absolutely, and of course it's moved a pay since then of course, but god, mean how was the zis regime's oppressive techniques changed since the 1980s when they officially sanctioned kind of bone breaking punishment beatings and these - undercover assassinations, well they've got worse, they don't b to break people's boats, they shoot them dead, so that has become it is amazing that the idea uh and the spicle of soldiers that shooting palestinians kingdom, yes

outright has become so um part of the normal landscape, and that's what's so very frighten about all this is that z violence which was right from the start and you mentioned that um "i was a victim of the the in 1948, the point about that as as and the same point today is the violence, is the violence that accompanies isinism, and so that meant that moving on from breaking bones just simply shoot the people dead, no indeed, indeed, it's much more visible now, i think it has been in the past with the advent of social media, some more people are aware of the the you know zinism reality, but mean the first inter" conclude didn't it with the with the oslow and of course many people at the time think thought this was the beginning of viable peace process didn't the but as it turn that was wishful thinking wasn't it? yes if you recall in that period we had the irish peace process had south african peace process we had we had released from prison uh it

looked like this was part of a general tendency in the world to move towards uh resolving political conflicts of course that was a mistake we we see now that nothing of the sort was happening and but of course what happened with the plo had recognized in entity and had also renounced uh effectively armed resistance design entity and uh that of course led toalizing gave them the palestinan authority of course the the comp authority as it is and which collaborates directly with the zionists to repress the palestinian resistance movement but it meant that the but power in in the resistance shifted away from the plo and especially fatah the leading faction in the plo and towards more openly islamically oriented movements. especially of course the islam, but also remember the the uh the secularist and leftist factions like the dflp and which are of course all all these factions are now at the center of the resistance gaza. yeah, but mean what was the problem with with the oslo process? well,

well there was nothing right with it actually, it was full of problems, the first the first issue is that the palestinian side offered recognition of israel within the borders of um the the borders which meant that it kept 78% of the original palestine recognized their right to that. while actually getting very little in return, because what they actually got was on the part of israel of the palestine liberation organization as the movement represents the palestinians, okay, good, but that's not good enough, there was nothing people really need to remember, there was nothing in the oslow agreement which made it mandatory that the israel would move towards assisting in the creation of a palestinian state. that was never overty stated, it was something that the palestinians sort of assumed, and lots of

other people assumed, but had no right to assume it, it wasn't in the accord, and secondly, what it really did was to sort of give a structure to the idea of autonomy, palestinian autonomy in certain spheres, which was around for for ages, the egypt israel treaty 1979. and already was something which the israeli side was willing to agree to, and so-called autonomy, well, that's what oslo did, it allowed for autonomy, but for things like health, education, civil society type things, but not for defense, and not for freedom of movement, so it all it really did was give, i think the best way to put it is, it it pres a sort of feel good, yes thing to other people, well we just leave it there if

we can for moment, because i want to come back to the discussion in a while after you've had a chance to look at our next video about the dis of hamas, the term hamas is an acronym harakat, al islam which translates into simply as islamic resistance moment, resistance is in other words literally part of its name. hamas wasly born as a direct result of the spark at the flame of first infada. the people who created it met the day after occupation forces kill four palestinian workers by crushing into their car at the gaza checkpoint. a leaf issued on december the 14th, calling for resistance is considered their first public intervention, though the name hamas itself was not used until early 1988, like its key ally in the palestinian resistance, the islamic jihad movement in palestine. usually called palestinian islam jihad or prij in the west, hamas was formed from the muslim brother. the

brotherhood was politically quietest at the time, both hamas and islamic jihad became more radical, seeking to challenge the dominance of fatah, the secular nationalist group then amongst the palestinians. this task became all the more central once fata accepted the existence of the states of israel renounced arms. looking back, it is clear that the first interfada was a fork. the road between those who believed komis could lead to progress and those who maintained only resistance could win. hamas was formed one month after plo lead declaration advocating coexistence with the anist entity early 1988. after oslo and then the gaza withdrawal in 2005, hamas entered and won the elections in gaza and became the defacto government. the armed king of hamas, the izaldin al-qasim brigade, has been banded a terrorist organization. for more than 20 years in late 2021, the uk to b hamas in total, including its political wing. since

the launch of alaxa flood on october 7, there has been a propaganda war over the role of hamas in resistance in the idea that hamas was created or supported by the zionists. this misunderstands the history by confusing the support given by designist to the politically quietest muslim brotherhood in order to undermine more radical plo with the more militant. politics associated with hamas, later when ariel sharon attempted to liquidate the plo, hamas did benefit, but its victory in the 2006 election marked the realization of the zionis that it had become their main enemy. since then there were mark periods when the various factions of the resistance were at odds with each other, but in the most recent years all the resistance factions have made peace and work as one. david, just say a word or two will you about the muslim brotherhood in palestine. so muslim brotherhood of course is a transnational movement if you like with independent parts in different countries in

the uk and of course this been very much targeted uh in this country for example investigation uh under the cameron government which was prompted by sign interests lobbing for that investigation science to suggest muslim brotherhood terrorists of course muslim brother is not terrorist organization and uh in this country it's active in. movement very important country, but in palestine there were two separate factions of muslim brother, the egyptian brotherhood and the jordanian, and they were at the time quite politically quited. so what you found was that the plo as kind of radical nationalist organization was by far the most radical threat to design entity because they were engaged an struggle where is not, it was a split from the muslim brotherhood which led both to had which of course is the more radical smaller of the movements day and of course hamas and once they became radical cutting edge of resistance that's the the

idea of using them to undermine the plo became something which designs didn't want to do and of course that's the story right? 'the hamas not created for by israel, the idea that somehow is a cat call for western interests is fantasy and people in the palestine movement should abandonn any such beliefs and understand the resistance and is is serious resistance against not just design entity but against western interests and imperialism in all region yeah well god you might just think about the evolution of of your thinking on resistance look it's always very clear to me'. from the very from the, i suppose from the very beginning of my activism or my awareness that that we'd have to fight, get our country back, it was always very clear to me that what a name you wanted to give it, the the the end result had to be the reclamation of palestine and all of it for the palestinians and that those

palestinians like myself, the millions living in un registered refugee camps, all those people. had the right to go back and reclaim their homeland, it was always very clear to me that was the aim. the next question was, how do we get there? and i was really willing to support anything that almost anything that would look as if it might get us that. yeah, that included different i never had, i think many palestinians are like me did sort of think, we can only support this if it's religiously. motivated or if it's uh this kind of thing or that kind of really, i think it's much simpler than that for students, they just want to get the country back and they'll back whatever it is that looks likely to get us there, now having of course said that, i i can't disguise the fact that i was never keen on religious type resistancemen

because i always felt that they missed the point, the point about palestine. is not religion, it's ceft of land, it's very simple, so really you have to get hold of the thief and sort the thief out get the land back, so you don't need religion as a as motivating factor, however, i have to say that over time and observing the way that not only hammas but in lebanon has fought their resistance wars so not only. bravely but so cleverly yeah is very impressive and if i ended up saying not only me but many others like me by saying well if it takes religion to get you to function like this so be it indeed indeed i think one of the important takeaways from the video that we've just watched is that it contradicts does it those

who claim that hamas was created by design it does i think this is a mistake that um you saw in the film there uh a clip from the the intercept making that kind of argument, but there have been many other kinds like that and you you see i've seen lots of people tweeting cuttings from haret with netanhu talking about supporting ham, it's understanding and of course what what we really see is the the attempt on parts of the thing to misunderstand the resistance and think because of because of horror that we currently are seeing. because of the children, the bombing of the builds, the raising gaza, people think that means that palestinis can do nothing, and their only choice is is to stay in their home and die or to leave, which of course is design strategy, but actually what we've what we see for we pay close enough attention is that there has been really very significant resistance in gaz and indeed of course in west bank, of course also on northern border from hisballah, very very serious resistance which

has had really significant effects on the the occupation forces and we're not seeing much the... of that in the western media, but if you're paying attention to social media to telegram, you see lot of that kind of stuff, and that mistake is to think that that isn't happening and that isn't a significant actor in in this whole period, which of course it is very very significant actor, we would never have had the changes for the the palestinian hostages in israel, if it wasn't for that, of course, of course, mean um god, what do you say to those who insist that we must condemn hamas? morgan is a classification point every guest he has on when talking about this issue, will you condemn hamas? what should the response? it's good that you bring this up because it's really infuriating, you you there you are being asked a very important question, before you allowed to answer, first to make this declaration. "i condemn hamas, no, the the the the really the proper answer to that is, this is not a question of condemnation, it's a question of trying to understand why people

behave like this, what makes them do that, that's what really that it has to face this issue of this word condemn, you know, and other way to deal with it, which is not original to me, it's perfectly correct is to ask..." the the person asking one this question, when did you last condemn an israeli spokes person or representative for the actions of the israeli army? there's a response i saw on social media where somebody was asked about in the demonstration what to october the se said well what about october the 8th what about october the 9th what about october they tried to walk away finished answering the question yet going on and then he was saying what about you know every every day back to 1948 so yeah mean i think absolutely right, we do need to to push back back against that, but look, i'm afraid to say we are out of time, so that's it for another show. i'd like to thank our guest doctor, and of course our resid expert

professor david miller. we'll be back next week with more forensic investigations and analysis and in the meantime you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates and remember to share today's program on your social media platforms, so until next time, this is chris saying live. "we live in a densely populated area suffer from severe shortage of portable water, one

element of it was leaving the israeli water company in charge of all the water resources. israel national water company that's responsible for stealing water in palestine." لو وافق صدام على كل قرارات الامم المتحده وعلى كل ما تريده الولايات المتحده لكان قد اطيح به المفروض عندما يسقطون النظام يسلمون الدوله للمعارضه هم اسقطوا النظام والدوله معا وسلموا المعارضه فراع على الصوت اولجه

israel's fresh strikes on the gaza trip have killed 200 palestinians a al-maggazi and nuserat refug camps separately the regime once again fumed shelled a suddency upon unis where clashes also erupted between palestinian resistance fighters and israeli forces. palestinian resistance fighters said that they're inflicting heavily on israeli occupation groups in brigades, the military wing of hamas says a ambushed israeli forces in the jabalia refugee camp in the northern

gaza strep, number of regime soldiers were killed and injured there.