tv SPOTLIGHT PRESSTV December 11, 2023 10:02pm-10:29pm IRST
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multi-prong us israeli genocide from the almost constant bombings from the tank shelling on the ground, sniper fire from regime troops in various areas in the strip along with kidnapping. palestinians are also facing starvation and dehydration and lack of medicine and medical supplies to heal their wounds. this as people have been displaced and are walking from the north to the south and back to the central areas of gaza, still they are targeted, no matter what part of the gaza's. trip they are and we are safe in gaza as those who can stop war, either continue to support the regime are simply look the other way. i like to welcome my guests to the program. anthony hall, professor of globalization, lethbridge university. harley langer, spokes of organization out of germany, both for being. with us, like to
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start it off uh with anthony, i mean as we are speaking, more children are being killed in gaza, how can the world, our world governments be so detached uh from this loss of lifes of palestinian kids and just continue to let it happen, it's really something to behold, something terrible, of frightening and appalling to behold, i never thought i would see such a thing, one of the things that israel is going to have to deal with, for the rest of its life is people around the world will say, uh, israel, that's the baby killing country, right? there are people who like to murder babies on mass. the idea that this is about eradicating hamas and making this particular organization, the subject of the war. no, this is a war of depopulation, this is a war of extermination, this is genocal, it's classic genocide, and there should by now be a process s, which could happen easily in... the international
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court of justice, not in the icc, the international criminal court, which is puppet court, which is a western us dominated, crap court, the international criminal court could of pursue classic charges, a classic violation of the genocide convention, we need to consider of course, first and foremost human impact of people facing what the people inside this prison, briefly made a prison break, and a whole question of what really happened on? over the se hasn't really been answered, there's so many mysteries about what really went on, but right now as the world can't find a way to watch, of course the palestinians have this feeling of being abandoned, always abandoned, there'll be motions, there'll be bold words, but right now is a very clear illustration that there is no rule of law in this world that the highest level of criminality, the organized criminals get their way, and wel end it there, but look forward. to a good exchange,
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nice to see you, mercy, nice seeing you, anthony, hardly, even if some kids are surviving the bomb attacks, saying many are dying from the lack of water, lack of food, lack of medical supplies, why can't the crossings be open to allow these basic necessities essential at least to enter gaza, why isn't there more pressure to at least allow that to happen? well, think i want to first of all agree with what anthony said about this being a war of dep.
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of clean water, lack of sanitation and so on, and i think the the what what i want to focus on is the fact that president biden has according to very well-placed sources, told netanyahu, you have to finish this up by the end of january, otherwise it will become out of control, the opposition to israel will go out of control. well, two points on that. first of all, how many more children will die by the end of january? number one, number two, what makes you think will stop? he's not going to stop, he's going to give a free rain and the united states is giving him a free rain. the the other point that should be made is that most of the world has now at least indicated they oppose. what's going on, world health organization just came out and said there has to be not just supplies, humanitarian supplies, but a cease fire, there's a cry for seafire from much of the world, but it won't matter until the united states changes policy. now interesting, there was a poll that came out yesterday, it showed that only 19% of americans under 30 years
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old, that is the younger generation, only 19% support biden's support of netanyahu, all together, 61%. now of us voters are saying they want a permanent cease fire, there was a letter released that was signed by 600 leaders of american jewish organization saying a ceasefire is moral necessity, the problem is that biden doesn't answer to the american people, is answer to the people of palestine or the people of of anywhere, he answers to the military industrial machine that is totally willing to allow israel to carry out this prly, let me just ship in here, is it because it's really important, i think the way all this is being framed um... as if it's netanyahu and biden, um, is it both regimes in general? um, whether we're talking about, we're talking about the previous president, and what happened when looking at palestine, and also we look at the various prime ministers of the israeli regime, isn't it, it's not about these
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individuals, but it is about what these regimes are after to begin with, it's about the system, and both of these regimes are part of a system of depopulation, which includes... the economic oppression most of the global south which is starting to rise up, it includes the unwillingness to invest in health and infrastructure in these countries, but in this case you're absolutely right, the whole congress, virtually the whole us congress is in unison on support of the netanyahu regime, and even people in israel who are getting weak stomach about what's going on, they're still not speaking out, so it is the two systems. and these two systems are largely controlled by an interlock network of corporate cartels that cares not one bit for the lives of palestinians, but will weap crocodile tears over the lives of israelis. right indeed. well, anthony, is this all about americas and
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israel is just wanting the resources of gaza for themselves, or is it about the sheer hatred that they have for palestinians? i mean, your assessment about it all, well. we could talk about biden and we can talk about netanyahu and i do think that netanyahu actually is psychologically sick individual right now who who probably needs to be in care and you know somehow israel is destroying itself by not taking his hands off steering will this mad man who uh you know seems to be having a breakdown um but let's get away from uh there's a corporate syndicate uh large corporations uh there's netanyahu there's biden but there's something called zionism. ism, the philosophy that got rolling in terms of this project of establishing a jewish state, this project that got rolling with both child bankers, this project that has lot to do with the same dynamics of the larger depopulation initiative in the world, which is a banking
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cartel thing to further the power of banking, which is closely interacted, which is closely intwine with this thing called zionism, and it seems to me that when we put the focus there, we're talking about israel, we're talking about the united states, both are in under the authority, the control of the same chain of command, which is a zionist chain of command, and it's perfectly appropriate that biden be considered every much and even possibly more so responsible than netanyahu, but we have a system of zionism, which is a system of jewish supremacism, which is a system of. the breeding of hatred towards all kinds of people, of supremacism, of chosen peopleism of the idea that some kind of people are more privileged in the eyes of god, and the palestinians are clearly in this school, this thing called terrorism, and
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netanyahu is master of using this concept of islamic terror as a political bicycle as a political engine, for his career, for his incredible career, and let's remember that he got 39 uh standing ovations in congress, and so he is arguably the most influential person in the world in terms of influencing. and paid for because the system of banking produces a tremendous concentration of wealth which goes into a very specific ethnic channels and and whatnot and enables to purchase the presidents, congress people, the corporations, the media, the courts and we're now sort of face to face with this fact that any concept that there is anything like a rule of law in charge here has been wiped away, it's you know it's been un' and i think my colleague brings up this population scheme, i mean let's remember that netanyahu
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was quite involved in the code scam and was you know dealing with albert burla and millions and millions of people have died worldwide from this stay with me, stay with me and let me let me cross over and get harley back in in on this conversation and your take we see a daily basis we see various international organizations they may condemn what is happening and say that uh relief is needed, at the bottom line, nothing really happens, and so when we say that are we see that none of these international organizations are able to do what they say they are set up to do, isn't that evidence that either um they were set up to begin with just to protect american interest or they fear the reprisals from the american uh regime and either way that these organizations cannot truly serve the world's people, i mean your assessment and do we not need an alternative? to all of this? well, we absolutely need an alternative and it's starting to come into existence. i agree with
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everything that that you said and that anthony said about the question of zionism, except that i see zionism as a tool of the biggest powers in the world, and zionism is is really racism, he's absolutely right about that, jewish supremacy, but it doesn't represent a jewish religious view. the important thing is zionism was used by the british at the beginning of last century. as a way of controlling the geopolitical situation in what we call today the middle east, and it's being used again for the same purpose, and if i can just make this point, we're seeing emerge the biggest anti-colonial reaction in the world, of which the uprising in gaza is a part of it, but it's also part the global south rising up against the international monetary fund, against the green agenda, against us and british imperialism, against french imperialism, we're seeing a global reawakening and and this is what is actually happening, the problem is the people who are responsible for
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this imperial geopolitical game are willing to kill large numbers of people, including leaders of nations, assassinations, regime change, look at the the us policy toward iraq, toward afghanistan, towards syria, towards libya, towards lebanon, one of the things it's important to note, and this is where i think the alternative can come from, the bricks, the new members of the bricks are all this region and the question is, will russia and china step forward more than they have so far as a counterweight to the united states, the united states is trying to destroy russia and ukraine, it's not working, but this is where the alternative system can come from, dedollarization, control of oil, the new members of the bricks include saudi arabia, uae, iran and egypt, among them leading powers in in the energy field, so this broken, but it has to be broken, top of everything else by the american people, they have to stop sitting there watching on television and doing nothing, and what my
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organization involved in the united states building an international peace coalition, which will force the hand of the congress to act against this, that's a hard thing to do bause the congress is bought and paid, but ultimately they have to get votes, well what about, what about um a possibility of uh actually americans not paying their taxes, anthony? i mean, um, could that be effective tool to have major effect on american policy or or how do you see it? well, that is kind of obvious to do when you see the money being used to promote genocide. we have an abstract view of it, supplying bombs and and such, but now we see it close up. um, now the american people, like people through the west, are experienceing what it feels like to be. colonized to be subject to a government that may pretend to listen to you, but really has no interest in you. now this global south is
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bricks, these are people who lived in colonies of europe, and they've been around in different forms in different way. now bricks was created by goldman sax, that was a concept, so there is kind of bankers infiltration taking place, and wef also uses the word multipolarism like russia does, there's a... certain way that language is, there's an ambivalent to it, but i'm thinking back in the 1950s and 1960s, the people who we now call the global south, they were coming together in the non aligned movement that came together and they were trying to avoid the imperialism of the cold war being forced choice you can either choose the soviet or the us system you've got to choose between the two and they said no we want to be our own people we want to have our own self-determination we don't want to have this false choice forced on us so this nonline
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movement now appears as you know the global south bricks and it's again a question of well we're colonizer. parents know what it means to live in a in a in a colonized situation, the palestinians right now are manifesting what it means to be colonized to not even have your lives being considered as worthy of of sustaining, let alone your capital or your businesses or your natural resources, now it's the very lives there to be removed, and there is this feeling in europe and in america and in my country in canada, but uh we are being colonized and we, the people of the world are being... ignored and we are being run through series of stages into our demise, into sickness, into enfielment, oh we need you know we're going to stop oil and gas, we're just going to make a monastic vow and we can't have fertilizer, we can't have uh we've got to live in 15 minute cities and and then and then along comes uh covid and along comes gaza and so
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this urgency for the people of the world to find a way you know not through the united nations unless the united nations can do something to demonstrate it's not irrelevant, united nations is basically a place where the likes of biden uh you know just show their the the charge the veto that we just saw one country express because they were winner in the in world war ii uh it's kind of the last possibility for the un show some capacity to be focus of global mobilization for justice but somehow or other it's this colonization process settler colonialism, of course in 1967 when all of this was taking place, israel was conquering uh the territories that were meant to be part of the arab country in uh resolution 181, and so they were doing a war of imperial conquest as decolonization was happening elsewhere in the world, and
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that's israel's big problem, they are the inheritors of the anglo american empire, they are the cutting edge, they are the embodiment of... imperialism and they got to try to appear like they're not okay, they are the embodyments inheritors of the worst, most brutal oppression of imperialism that since 1492 has been very clear. okay, partly, mean as the world um is uh witnessing this genocide live - how do you think it will be affected the world itself? mean is this the transition point? um, are we trans trans forming from this control of this liberal world order to an alternative or where do you see us as human race? mean, where are we right now if you had to assess what's going on and where we going? well we're in a transition period, the problem is the transition period can be very long and very deadly for people who lack power, mean if you
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look at the palestinians, they don't have an army, they have committed fighters, but they don't have an army, they're up against. development, it was dollar system, it was controlled by london and wall street, it still is, israel is junior partner in this, but very bloody dangerous junior partner, so the question that you just is absolutely right, will the people in the west, i mean i live in germany, germany is going into a fairly deep collapse, the political parties are hated by most people, and they're passive
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in the face of this, and the german government is going out and and threatening people, if you speak out against israel you're... antisamite a hitler, so they're using the most brutal tactics in the west to silence opposition to this colonial system, but it's not going to stop it, and as long as the palestinians are demonstrating of courage and fighting, it should inspire people in other nations, and i don't mean necessarily fighting, i mean forming alliances to run out of office these corrupt individuals who have become extremely wealthy as a result of their support for the military industrial complex, so... "it is a transition period, it's going to take longer than i think most people like, but in the end the us, if it doesn't change its policy, it has already lost credibility, all parties." "israel has lost it for the next hundreds of years, and the question then is, can we bring something new out of this, which does recognize the humanity of all people as opposed to accepting the idea that
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some people are more deserving of life than others? okay, and on that note, i thank both of you for being with me for this spotlight, anthony hall out of lethbridge, canada, harley schlanger out of pozdam, germany, and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm marza hashimy." signing for myself in tehran, hope you right here next time.
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