hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestineified with the only weekly show focusing on investigator exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with the illegally occupied people of palestine. in this week's show we'll be looking at the relentlesss and determination

of the palestinian people to throw off the shackles of zianis depression, the sadistic brutality of zianist military goons and the savage behavior of illegal settlers have completely failed to blunt the will of the palestinian people to resist. the tfraper china has been looking back at the first interfada when the palestinian people rose up against israel's military occupation of the west bank and the gaza strip. the first interfather or uprising began in december 1987, 36 years ago. it ended in september 1993 with the signing of the first oslo accords, which provided a framework for so-called peace negotiations with the palestinians. the failure of that process is visible for all to see today. the first instander israeli brutality was abundant demonstrated. palestinians were casualties at the ratio of more than 3-1. one du departure were the orders from the top to break the bones of protesters. the tactics exposed in famous footage broadcast on mainstream news networks the world over. israel colnel yahuda

mer was tried for his part in these crimes. he blamed then defense minister yitzak rabin who gave orders in january 1988 to break bs of protesters as punishment. rabbin claimed it was only to bring them. either way, rabin's orders had gone out via the israeli press where he was quoted saying, "we will break their bones." may admitted ordering beatings, but then said, "i feel like abandoned threw me to the dogs," he reportedly began to cry minutes later and asked for a... sucess eventually found guilty of brutality, the highest ranking iof soldier convicted on that charge. he avoided prison and was only stripped of his rank and discharged as a private. second departure was the use of uncovered descords in gazza and the west bank, code nameshom and dov devan, officially known as unit 367 and unit 219. operating in arab dress in the period until 1992, they executed more than 100 palestinians. unit 300. 67 was later

disbanded, but unit 217 remains active in the west bank. the start of the interfather is dated to 9th of december 1987, just like october 7th this year, the conflict did not begin and the proximate causes were intensified ethnic cleansing, land expropriation and settlement construction. increasing zionist repression, the emergence of new layer of palestinian activists who challenged the leadership of the plo. we should not forget the striking reconfiguring of october the 7th. al operation in the night of the gliders in two palestinian gorillas you hand glider to infiltrate the northern border and kill six occupation force operatives on 25th of november 1987. the guru mortalized in many palesty fosters and image produced in commemoration. the hand gliding attack is held from the popular front for the liberation of palestine which is one of the key gorilla groups engaged in the alux of flood and gaz. key differ between th and now is today's unity of the fields in which all the major factions collaborate closely. in

armed action against the occupation. as always, we're joined by our resident expert david miller. david is academic and a former professor at bristol university, and our non-resident senior research fellow center of islam and global affairs, istanbul zayim university. he's also a co-director of the lobby and is the leading british of israel. our today is the palestinian doctor, activist, academic and writer, dr. gardha khami. was born in jerusalem and forced from her home during the nakb. she later trained as a medical doctor. and established the first british palestinian medical charity in 1972. she was also associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and of her books include the bestselling memoir in search of fatima. welcome to the show. god let me start with you. i mean, you you were fought out of palestine in 1948, weren't you, and then witness the occupation of gaza and the west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time of the first interfad? well, i had, of course, i had... already uh become an

activist following the 1967 war, because it was the first time i remember that i began to understand what israel was about, and it was ver to me. from that day on that what they were about was occupying the rest of palestine and that that's what they wanted. um, the first father was so hopeful, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as you know link through 70s in britain israel's becoming more and more accepted and it was becoming more and more quote normalized and you know so we we started to feel a bit hopeless that. you now and then comes the first and father and you think what we didn't was first then it comes an in father and which in which reasserts the fact that there there a palestinian people and they are not willing to accept what uh is has been scripted for

them by israel and its western backers and by the way in any discussion we have we have always to remember that israel would not be israel if it were not for. for western support? no, absolutely. well, mean, you've been involved in palestinian activa for for for quite some time, i think you first involved didn't you in the question during that first interfather in 1987, and uh, i think have to sing those brutal beating, wasn't it of those palestinian protesters? yes, mean, one of the first ever did in, suppose pro palestin, didn't really think of it as that then was when we saw the the breaking of the bones, the famous footage of that, and then the bbc reported one. the soldiers been arrested for breaking of the bones, being shown home released from his cots and he welcomed as a gental giant who was returning to the busim of his family and we were just outraged at this, i was working at the glasgow university media group, i was young, not even by that stage and went into

this thing ellasgo called video box which country uh where ch for right to reply program one of the key benefits of the creation of channel 4 in terms of democracy in the media where you could go and you can make a 30 second clip playing about something, we went i think three or four cram this box, it's outrage that the bbc should refer to these horrific torturers as being gentle giants and should we have proper courage of this, so that was my first bits of education about the way in which operates in relation to uh essentially, yeah, absolutely, and of course it's moved a pay since then of course, but god, mean how was the zinanish regime's oppressive techniques changed since the 1980s when they officially sanction the kind of bone breaking punishment beatings and these undercover. nations, well, they've got worse to break people's boats, they shoot them bad, so you know, that is become, it is amazing that the idea and the specle of soldiers just shooting palestinians kingdom, yes, right, has become so part of the normal

landscape, yeah, and that's what's very frightening about all this, is that z violence, which was there from the start, and you mentioned that, i was victim of the... the neckb in 1948, the point about that neckbah as as and the point today is the violence, is the violence that companies z and so that violence meant that moving on from breaking bones just simply shoot the people dead, indeed, indeed, it's much more visible now isn't it than it ever been in past with the social media more people are aware of you know designism the reality of designism is, but the first inter concluded didn't with the... with also records and of course many people at the time i think thought this was the beginning of vible peace process didn't the but as it turn out that was just which for thinking was it yes - in the period had the peace process peace process mandela released from prison uh it looked like this was part of general tendency

in the world to move towards uh resolving political conflicts of course that was a mistake we see now that uh nothing of the sort was happening and the fact of course what happened was that the pl had recognized the zionist entity and had also renounced effectively armed resistance against the zionist entity and that of course led to the marginalizing the gave them the palestine authority of course the compar authority as it is and which collaborates directly with the zionists to press the palestinian resist but power in in the resistance shifted away from the plo especially from the leading faction in the peel and towards more openly islamically oriented movements. of course hamas, palestinian islamic had, but you know, also let's remember the uh, the secularist factions that the dfl, which are which are of course all all these factions are now at the center of the resistance in gaza, yeah indeed, but god, i mean in your opinion, what was the problem with with the oslow protest?

well, well, there was nothing right with it actually, it it was full of problems, first first issue is that the um palestinian side, offered recognition of israel within the borders of the bord which meant that it kept 78% of the original land of palestine recognized their... right to that, while actually getting very little return, because what they actually got was a recognition on the part of israel of the palestine liberation organization as movement that represents palestinians. okay, good, but that's not good enough, there was nothing, people really need to remember, there was nothing in the oslow agreement which made it mandatory that the israel would move towards a st. in the creation of a palestinian state that was never overly stated, it was something that the palestinians sort of

assumed and lots of other people assumed, but they had the right to assume it because it wasn't in the accords, and secondly, what it really did was to sort of give a structure to the idea of autonomy a palestinian autonomy in certain spheres, which was around for for ages, the... egypt israel treaty 197 already was something which the israeli side was willing to and so-called autonomy, well that's what oslo did, it allowed for autonomy, but for things like health, education, civil society type things, but not for defense and not for freedom of movement, so all it really did was give, if i think the best way to put it is, it presented a sort of feel good, yes thing other people, well we

just leave it there if we can for moment because i want to come back to the disc in a while after you've had a chance to look at our next video about the genesis of hamas, the term hammas is an acronym al islam which translates into english simply as islamic resistance movement resistance. is, in other words, literally part of its name. hamar was effectively born as a direct result of spark that lit the flame of the first interfada. the people who created it met the day after the occupation forces killed forestinian workers by crashing into their car at the god checkpoints. a leaflet issued on december the 14th, calling for resistance is considered the first public intervention, though the name hamas itself was not used until early 1988, like its key ally. in the palestine resistance islamic jihad movement in palestine, usually call palestinian islamic

jihad or pij in the west, hamas was formed from muslim hood, though the brotherhood was politically quietest at the time, hamas and islamic jihad became more radical, seeking to challenge the dominance of fatah, the secular nationalist group, then homonic amongst the palestinians. this task became all more central once fata, accepted the existence of the state of israel and renounced armstrong. looking back, it is clear that first interfada was fork in the road between those who believed compromise could lead to progress and those who maintained only resistance could win. hamas was formed one month after pl led declaration advocating coexistence, the zionist entity early 1988. after oslo and then the gaza withdrawal in 2005, hamas entered and won the elections in gaza and became the defacto government. the armed wing of hamas, the... had be branded as a terrorist organization for more than 20

years. late 2021, look moved to ban hamas in total, including its political wing. since the launch of alxa flood on october 7, there has no over the role of hamas in the resistance, in the idea that hamas was created or supported by zin. this misunderstands the history by confusing the support given by the zanist to the politically quietest muslim brotherhood. in order to undermine the more radical pl with more militant politics associated with hamas. later, when ariel sharon attempted to liquidate the plo, hamas did benefit, but its victory in 2006 election marked the realization of the zionist that it had become their main enemy. since then, there were mark periods when the various factions resistance were at all with each other, but the most recent years, all the resistance factions have made peace and work as one. you just say a word or two you about the muslim brotherhood in palestine brotherhood of

course is a transnational movement if you like with independent parts in different countries one in the uk and of course it's been very much targeted uh in this country for example investigation uh under the cameron government which is prompted by sist interest lobbing for that investigation suggest muslim brothers were terrorists of course muslim not a terrorist organization and in this country it's politically active uh in has been anti-w movement, very important the anti-w actually in this country, but in palestine there are two separate factions of the muslim brother, egyptian muslim brotherhood and jordanian muslim brother. west bank of gaza, yeah, and they were at the time quite politically quiet, so that what you found was that the plo, as kind of radical nationalist organization was by far the most radical to the z entity, because they were engaged on struggle, the muslim were not, it was a split from the muslim which led both to had, which of course is the more radical, although smaller of movements today and of course

hamas and once they became the radical cutting edge of resistance, that's when the the idea of using the... undermind the people became something which didn't want to do and of course that's the story right, hamas was not created by by israel, the idea that somehow it's a castpore for western interest is a fantasy and people in the palestine movement should abandonn any such beliefs and understand that the resistance is serious resistance against not just design entity but against interest impelism in the whole region yeah well god i wonder whether you just say something about the evolution of of your thinking on distance? well, look, it was always very clear to me from the very, from the from the very beginning of my activism, my awareness, that we'd have to fight to get our country back. it was always very clear to me that whatever name you wanted to give it, the end result had to be the reclamation of

palestine and all of it for palestinians and that those palestinians like myself, "the millions living in un register refugee camp, all those people had the right to go back and reak their homeland, it was always very clear to me that that was the aim, so the next question was, how do get there, and i was really willing to support anything that, almost anything, that would looked as if it might get us, yeah, that included different, i never had a sort of a..." 'and i think many palestinians like me didn't sort of think, we can only support if it's religiously motivated or if it's this kind of thing or that kind of, not really, i think it's much simpler than that for palestinians, they just want to get the country back and they'll back whatever it is that looks likely to gets there, now having of course said that, i i

can't disguise the fact that i was never keen on religious'. type resistance movements, because always felt that they missed point. the point about palestine is not religion, it's seft of land, it's very simple, so really you have to get hold of the thief and sort the thief out and get the land back, so you don't need religion as a as motivating, however, i have to say that over time and observing the way that not only hamas but hizballah in lebanon has fought uh their resistance wars so not only bravely but so cleverly yeah is very impressive and if an indian i ended up by saying not only me but many others like me by saying well if he takes religion to get you to function like this then so be it indeed indeed divid i

think one of the important takeaways from the video that we just watched is that it contradicts doesn't it? understand resistance in palestine and and to think because of because of the horror that we currently are seeing, because of the dead children, the bombing of the buildings, the raising gaza, people think that means that the can do nothing, and the only choice is to is to stay in their homes and die or to leave into the sand, which of course is design strategy, but actually what we what we see if if we pay close enough attention is that

there has been really very significant resistant g and of course in the west bank and of course also on the northern border. from hisb very very serious distance which has had really significant effects on the the occupation forces and we're not seeing much the reporting but if you're attention to social media to telegram you see lot of that kind of stuff that is it's to think that that isn't happening and that isn't a significant factor in in this whole period of course it's a very very significant actor we would never have had the changes for the the palestinian hostages in israeli jails if it wasn't for that of course of course mean god what would do you say to those who insist that we must infuriating, you you there you are being asked a very important question, before you allowed to answer, you have first to make this declaration, i condemn hamas, well no,

the the the the really the proper answer to that is, this not a question of condemnation, it's a question of trying to understand why people behave like this, what makes them do that, that's what really that it has to face this issue of this condemn. you know, and the other way to deal with it, which is not original to me, but it's it's it's perfectly correct, is to ask the the person asking one this question, when do you like them and really spokesperson or representative for the actions of the israeli army? there's a good response i saw on social media, something was asked about in a demonstration, what about october the well, what about october the 8th, what about october the ninth, what about october the 11th, they try to walk away finished answer question? and he was and what about every every day back to 1948 so yeah i think you're absolutely right we do need to to push back against that but i'm afraid to

say we are out of time so that's it for another show i'd like to thank our guest dr g and of course our resident expert professor david miller palestine classified we'll be back next week with more forensic investigations and analysis and in the meantime you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates and remember to share today's on your social media platform, so until next time, this is right now.

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