hello and welcome to press tv spotlight and thanks so much for being with us the palestinian gaza are facing a multipronged us israeli genocide from the almost constant bombings from the air tanks shelling on the ground sniper fire from regime troops various areas in the strip along with kidnappings. palestinians are also facing starvation and dehydration and lack of medicine and medical supplies to heal their wounds. this as people have been displaced and are walking from the north to the south and back to the central areas of gaza, still they are targeted.

matter what part of the gaza strip they are in, nowhere safe in gaza, as those who can stop the war either continue to support the regime, are simply look the other way. i'd like to welcome my guests to program. anthony hall, professor of globalization, lethbridge university. harley schlanger, spokesman of the rusch organization out of. germany, thank you both for being with us, i'd like to start it off uh with anthony, i mean as we're speaking, more children are being killed in gaza, how can the world or world governments be so detached from this loss of palestining kids, continue to let happen, it's really something to behold, something terrible, of fighting and appalling, behold, i never thought i would see such a, one of the things that is... is going to have deal with for the

rest of its life, people around the world will say, israel, that's the baby killing country, right? the people who like to murder babies on mass. the idea that this is about of eradicating hamas and making this particular organization, the subject of war. no, this is a war of depopulation, this is a war of extermination, this is genocidal, it's classic genocide and should by now be a process. started, which could happen easily in the international court of justice, not in the icc, the international criminal court, which is puppet court, which is a western us dominated, crap court, the international criminal court could pursue classic charges, it's a classic violation of the genocide convention, we need to consider of course, first and foremost the human impact of people facing what people inside this prison briefly made a prison break, and the whole question

of what really happened on october the 7th hasn't really been answered, there's so many mysteries about what really went on, but right now as the world can't find a way to watch, of course the palestinians have this feeling of being abandoned, always abandoned, there'll be motions, there'll be uh bold words, but right now is a very clear illustration that there is no rule of law in this world, but at the highest level of criminality, the organized criminals get their way, and uh uh i'll i'll end it there, but i look forward to a good exchange. nice to see you, mars, nice seeing you anthony, well hardly, even if some kids are surviving the bomb attacks, i mean many are dying from the lack of water, lack of food, lack of medical supplies, what can't the crossings be open to allow these basic necessities, essentials, at least to enter gaza, why isn't there more pressure to at least allow that to happen? well, i think... want to first of all

agree with what anthony said about this being a war of depopulation, this is attempt to continue after many years absence, but although a continuing operation, the nachba, the driving of the palestinians out of palestine, and they're going to do it through bombs, they do it through disease, you was very interesting to hear israeli doctor say that, well we have to worry about disease because it might spread to the israeli soldiers, but no concern for the palestinian children. and and mothers and fathers were facing disease every day from lack of clean water, lack of sanitation and so on, and i think the the what i want to focus on is the fact that president biden has according to very well sources told netanyahu, you have to finish this up by the end of january, because otherwise it will become out of control, the opposition to israel will will go out of control, well two points on that, first of all, how many more children will die? by the

end of january, number one, number two, what makes you think will stop? he's not going to stop, he's going to go as long as he's given a free rain and the united states is giving him a free rain, the the other point. that should be made is that most of the world has now at least indicated they oppose what's going on, the world health organization just came out and said there has to be not just supplies, humanitarian supplies, but a ceasefire. there's a cry for ceasefire from much of the world, but it won't matter until the united states changes policy. now interesting, there was a poll that came out yesterday that showed that only 19% of americans under 30 years old, that is the younger generation, only 19% support by support of netanyahu, all together, 61% now of us voters are saying they want a permanent cease fire, there was a letter released that was signed by 600 leaders of american jewish organizations saying ceasefire is moral necessity. the problem is that biden doesn't

answer to the american people, he doesn't answer to the people of palestine or people of of anywhere, he answers to the military industrial machine that is totally willing to allow israel to carry out this atrocity. just jump in here, isn't it? because it's it's really important, i think the way all of this is being framed, um, as if it's netanyahu and biden, um, isn't it both regimes in general, whether we're talking about, we're talking about the previous president, um, and what happened, looking at palestine, and also we look at the various prime ministers of the israeli regime, is it, it's not about these individuals, but it is about what these regimes are after to begin with, it's about the system and both of these regimes are part of a system of depopulation which includes the economic oppression of most of the global south which is starting to rise up, it includes the unwillingness to invest in health and infrastructure in these countries, but in this case you're absolutely right, the

whole congress, virtually the whole us is in in unison on support for the netanyahu regime, and even people in israel in the kenness who are getting weak stomachs about what's going on, they're still not speaking out, so it is the two systems, and these two systems are largely controlled by an interlocking network of corporate cartels that there is not one bit for the lives of palestinians, but we crocodile tears over the lives of israelis, right, well anthony, is this all about americans and israel is just wanting the resources of gaza for themselves, or is it about this year hatred that they have for palestinian? mean your assessment about it all? well, we talk about biden and we can talk about netanyahu, i do think that netanyahu actually is psychologically sick individual who probably needs to be in care, and you know, somehow israel is destroying itself by not taking his hands off the

steering wheel, this mad man, seems to be having a breakdown. um, but let's get away from uh, okay, there's a corporate syndicate, uh, large corporations, there's yahoo, there biden, there's something called zionism, zionism, the philosophy that got rolling in terms of this project of establishing jewish state, this project that got rolling with raw child bankers, this project that has lot to do with the same dynamics, the larger depopulation initiative in the world, which is a banking cartel thing to further the power of banking, which is closely interacted, which is... intertwine with this thing called zionism, and it seems to me that when we put the focus there, we're talking about israel, we're talking about the united states, both are in under the authority, the control of the same chain of command, which is a zionist chain of command, and it's

perfectly appropriate that biden be considered every much and even possibly more so responsible than netanyahu, but we have a system of ziensm which is of... of jewish supremacism, which is is a system of talmudic sort of reading of hatred towards all kinds of people, of supremacism, of chosen pepalism, of the idea that some kind of people are more privileged in the eyes of god, and the palestinians are clearly school of this thing called terrorism. netanyahu is master of using the concept of islamic terror as a political uh bicycle as political engine for his career, for his incredible career, and let's remember that he got 39 uh standing ovations in congress and so he is arguably uh the most influential person in the world in terms of influencing congress and congress

congress is bought and paid for because the system of banking produces a tremendous concentration of wealth which goes into a very specific ethnic channels and and whatnot and enables to purchase the presidents, the congress people, the corporations, the media, the courts and we now face to face with fact that any con there is anything like a rule of law in charge. has been away, it's you know, it's been unmasked, and i think my colleague brings up this population scheme, i mean let's remember that netanyahu was quite involved in the covid scam and was, dealing with albert burla and millions and millions of people have died worldwide from, stay with me and let me cross over and get harley back in on this conversation and your take when we see on daily basis we see various international. organizations they may condemn what is happening and say that uh relief is needed, the bottom long nothing really

happens, and so when we say that we see that none of these international organizations are able to do what they say they are set up to do, isn't that evidence that either um they were set up to begin with just to protect american interest or they fear the reprisals from the american uh regime and either way that organization cannot truly serve? world's people, mean your assessment and do we not need an alternative to all of this? well we absolutely need an alternative and it's starting to come into existence. i agree with everything that you said anthony said about the question zinanism, except that i see zionism as a tool of the biggest powers in the world, and zionism is really racism, he's absolutely about that, jewish supremacy, but it doesn't represent a jewish religious view, the important thing is. was used by the british at the beginning of the last century as a way of controlling the geopolitical

situation in what we call today the middle east, and it's being used again for the same purpose, and if i can just make this point, we're seeing emerge the biggest anti-colonial reaction in the world, of which the uprising in gaza is a part of it, but it's also part the global south rising up against the international monetary fund, against the green agenda, against us, british imperialism, against french imperialism. "we're seeing a global reawakening, and this is what is is actually happening, the problem is people who are responsible for this imperial geopolitical game, are willing to kill large numbers of people, including leaders of nations, assassinations, regime change, look at the the us policy toward iraq, to afghanistan, towards syria, towards libya, towards leben, but one of the things it's important to note, and this is where i think the alternative can come from, the bricks, the new members of the bricks are all in this region, and the question is, will

russia and china step forward more than they have so far as a counterate to the united states, the united states is trying to destroy russia and ukraine, it's not working, but this is where the alternative system can come from, dedollarization, control of oil, the the new members of the bricks include saudi arabia, uae, iran and egypt, among them leading powers in in the energy field, so... "this can be broken, but it has to be broken top of everything else by the american people, and they have to stop sitting there watching on television and doing nothing, and what my organization is involved in in the united states is building an international peace coalition, which will force the hand of the congress to act against, that's a hard thing to do, because the congress bought paid, but ultimately they have to get votes, well what about, what about a possibility of uh actually..." americans not paying their taxes, anthony, i mean, um, could that be effective tool to have major effect on

american polity or how do you see it? well, that is kind of obvious thing to do when you see the money being used to promote genocide, we have an abstract view of it supplying bombs and and such, now we see it close up, um, now the american people, like people throughout the west, are... experience wing what it feels like to be colonized, to be subject to a government that may pretend to listen to you, but really has no interest in you. now this global south, this bricks, these are people who lived in colonies of europe, and the they've been around in different forms in different ways. now brick was created by goldman saxs, that was a concept, so there is kind of bankers infiltration taking place, and wef you also uses the word multipolarism. like russia does, um, there's a certain um way that language is, there's an ambivalence to it,

but i'm thinking back in the uh 1950s and 1960s, the people who we now call the global south, they were coming together in the non-aligned movement, exactly, came together, and they were trying to avoid imperialism of the cold war, was forced into a choice, you would neither choose the soviet or the us system, but you got to choose between the two, and they said, no, we want to be our own we want to have our own self-determination, we don't want to have this false choice forced on us, so this nonline movement now appears as, the global south bricks. uh and it's again a question of, well we were colonized, our parents know what it means to live in a in a in a colonized situation, the palestinians right now are manifesting what it means to be colonized, to not even have your lives being considered as worthy of sustaining, let alone your capital or your businesses or natural resources, now it's the very lives that are to be removed, and there

is this feeling in europe and in america and in my country and canada that uh we are being colonized and we the people of the world are being ignored and we are being run through series of uh stages into our demise into sickness into enfeeblement uh oh we need you know we're going to stop boiling gas we're we're we're just going to make a monastic vow and we can't have fertilizer and we can't uh you know we've got to live in 15 minute cities and and and then along comes covid and along comes a gaza and so uh this urgency for people of the world to find a way, not the united nations, unless the united nations do something to demonstrate, it's not irrelevant. united nations is basically a place where the likes of biden uh, just show their there in cheorge, the the veto, that we just saw one country express because they were a winner in the in world war ii, it's

kind of the last possibility for the un to show some capacity to be focus of global. mobilization for justice, but somehow or other, it's this colonization process settler colonialism. of course, in 1967 when all of this was taking place, israel was conquering the territories that were meant to be part of the arab country in resolution 181, and so they were doing a war of imperial conquest as decolonization was happening elsewhere in the world, and that's israel's big problem, the... are the inheritors of the anglo-american empire, they are the cutting edge, they are the embodiment of imperialism, and they've got to try to appear like they're not, but they are the embodiment, inheritors the worst, most brutal oppression of imperialism that since 1492 has been very clear. okay, well partly, i mean as the world

um is witnessing this genocide life, and how do you think it will be affected, the world? itself, i mean, is the transition point, um, are we trans transforming from this control of this liberal world order to an alternative or where you see us as human race? i mean, where are we right now, if you have to assess what's going on and where we're going? well, we're in a transition period, the problem is a transition period can be very long and very deadly for people who lack power. i mean, if you look at the... they don't have an army, they have committed fighters, but they don't have an army, they're up against jets and rockets and and ai and all the capabilities that the united states can pour into israel, and if it worse comes worse israel still has nuclear weapons, so the question here, and i think my colleague is absolutely right, this is the ultimate battle against a colonial

system, and we never had a full decolonization in the 50s and 60s. "this was the whole point of the post brettin wood system where instead of having new institutions of economic development, it was dollar system it is controlled by and wall street, it still is. israel is a junior partner in this, but very bloody dangerous junior partner, that you just absolutely right, will the people in the west who are suff? mean, look, i live in germany, germany is going to fairly deep collapse, the political parties are hated most people, and yet they're passive in the face of this." "and the german government is going out and and threatening people, if you speak out against israel, you're an anti-emite, you're a hitler, so they're using the most brutal tactics in the west to silence opposition to this colonial system, but it's not going to stop it, and as long as the palestinians are demonstrating this form of courage and fighting, it should inspire people in other nations, and i don't mean necessarily

fighting, i mean forming alliances to run out of office these corrupt individuals who..." have become extremely wealthy as a result of the support for the military industrial complex, so it is a transition period, it's going to take longer than i think most people would like, but in the end, the us, if it doesn't change its policy, it has already lost credibility, israel has lost credibility for the next hundreds of years and then is can we bring something new out of this, which does recognize the humanity of all people as opposed to accepting the idea some people are more deserving of life than others. okay, and on that note, i'd like to thank both of you for being with me for the spotlight. anthony hall, leth bridge, canada, harley schlanger out of postdam, germany. and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm shing out for myself and all right here in term to see you right here next time.

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