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welcome to spotlight: israel's genocidal onslot on gaza has been claiming hundreds of palestinin lives every day for the past 70 days, now the us keeps supporting the regime's crimes, while the united nations and other international bodies failed to take any practical steps to stop the bloodshed. in gaza, israel's minister for military affairs has said that the war on gaza may continue for several more months. how many more palestinin lives have to be lost before this blood thirsty rampage comes to holt? we'll discuss that tonight with our guests. writer and political analyst ali riss joining us from the lebanese capital beirot. we also have political economy. analyst and of

researcher clive mensies joining us from the british capital, london. so gentleman, welcome to the program. let's start off with uh mr. risk. in the lebanese capital beirot. u.s. president joe biden has accused israel of indiscriminate bombing of gaza and said that israel is starting to lose its international support. how many more innocent palestinians have to be massacred before the support ends and international body stepping? to stop the bloodshed? well, i think that biden's statements uh were important, it reflects the um harshest criticism yet from the american president towards israel. of course, biden, as you know, has been very sympathetic, he has a personal connection to israel, as he himself has underscored time and again, so the fact that you have these statements now coming from biden, i think...

is very, very important development which speaks volumes about the fact that the us may not be able to continue with its blind support uh for the israeli side. we have the american national security advisor, jake sullivan, who is in the region, um, he held talks with the with the israeli officials. i think what you are seeing right now is a countdown to the end of a certain phase in this war, not necessarily the end of the war as a whole, but the end of a phase in this war and this is something which sullivan himself alluded to, so what i suspect is that maybe we have few weeks left for the intensified bombardment campaign before the situation enters into another strategy or another phase which would still include the stated objective of annihilating the hamas movement, but maybe not with the same intense bombardment, maybe with more targeted surgical strikes which the... americans are

bit appear to be advocating, so we are witnessing a certain, i think transition, but not necessarily, i think the approaching the end of the war. clive menzi's in london, uh, the western backed israeli propaganda has taken a massive hit ever since people across the world started rallying in solidarity with palestinians condemning the israeli genocide in gaza. in many of these rallies, demonstrators, they carried placards reading. quote, it's not a war, it's a genocide, so people are now recognizing that this is a genocide, and they also blame the us support for the genocide in gaza, is the rejection of this war now passing to the us as well? good evening, um, i think that um, one needs to understand that biden is not in power, he's following orders like most politicians, we need to differentiate between... the

institutions and the people, and clearly, what's been happening over the last two or three years, not just over gaza, but over many causes of anger and distress, is that the people? are getting ahead of the curve and understanding what's going on, they can see clearly the the outrage of what is happening in gaza, the indiscriminate targeting, one of the facets of this is that it allegedly they're using ai to target, we know from our experience in london where they've tried face recognition how unreliable that is, but it does mean that there is no accountability. say, well, ai chose the target, so it must be real, so i i think you're right that there is, there is people led revolt against what is happening, and joe biden is merely articulating what he can in order to try and not get ahead of the curve,

but at least keep up with the curve, and this has been happening across so many aspects of what's been happening in the madness of the last three or four years, um, i mean one could say it goes back to the war on terror and it's beginning, but now people having if you remember back in 2001 uh, not many people carried phones, there wasn't the level of communication and social media that there is today, but people are increasingly turning their back on mainstream channels and actually can visibly see uh the outrage and the onslot and certainly it is a genocide, i think any normal rational... person couldn't describe it as anything else, i wouldn't even describe it as a war, um, because this is actually targeting civilians, as you said, women and children, as well as, non-combatant males as well, so i to my mind, what we're

seeing is the desperation of the system to try and regain control of the narrative, and the only way to do that is to acknowledge at least to some degree the illegality and the... outrage of what israel is doing, and let's not forget, this is not about people, this is not israelelis doing this, this is a political structure which is now global that is driving this, and um, that structure is desperately trying to hang to the narrative, but it's failing to do so, and it's indicative of the whole system that is falling down around our ears. okay, ali risk in beirout since the beginning. the israeli on slot uh on uh gaza, the israeli regime said that it is seeking to dismantle uh the uh military capabilities of the resistance groups in gaza, however, after 70 days of the lethal and deadly bombings by the israelis, the resistance groups are fighting back

strong both inside and outside of gaza, so that means that the israelis have not achieved their initial military objectives other than murdering women and children, what have the israelis achieved in your opinion? uh, first, before answering the question, just a quick two quick points on commenting on your guest, um, i think that the american president, contrary to some perceptions, does enjoy a certain leeway in decision making, so biden does have some freedom to act, it's not like he's controlled by some upper forces, i'm not saying the that he is complete, but um, he does have significant leeway, but the issue is that... biden more than most other presidents, as i said, has a personal connection to israel. he's spoken about this time and again about the fact that you don't need to be a jewish to be a zionist etc. and that personal connection isn't always there with other with other presidents. the second point, i agree with your guest when he makes

this comparison between the current situation in 2001, just after the september 11 attacks. if you recall, biden tried to put... hamas is evil and there was this equation equating it with isis etc. this same you portrayal of the other actors as evil, it's reminiscent of the bush administration's language, but this time around the american public and the western publics haven't bought in to this argument, and if you notice this talk about hamas being the equivalent of isis has pretty much disappeared even in western politicians narrative or statements, regarding... your question about what israel has achieved in addition to um or other than killing innocent people, women and children, i think that what it has achieved is it further um damage israel's global status if you would like, further explore exposing israel as an

international paraya, as racist state which is similar or even worse than the south african a partide regime, so i think that what israel has done is it, it has done a severe damage to... self to it standing and it's also done damage to the us because of the us blind support for the israeli side and i think that the united states the decision makers are just to awaken to the to this fact at least that the current right-wing government, which is described as the most right-wing fascist in israel's history, is doing damage to the american side, and i think that's why you heard president biden referring to the necessity of netanyahu making some changes in the faces within within his cabinet, so israel has inflicted, as i said, or netanyahu, i should say, has inflicted severe damage to israeli interest themselves and to the... israeli alliance with the united states. right, clive menzies regarding the issue of accountability, the

likes of the icc and the icj, they have proven insufficient in the past. palestine's un ambassador has also criticized the international criminal court for failing to prosecute israeli officials for their crimes against palestinians, but there has to be consequences for the war crimes and crimes against humanity that the uh the israelis have uh committed against palestinians. after this devastating massacre ends, how can the issue of accountability begin to take shape? well, that's a fairly complex question, first and foremost, the the international criminal court, if it was in the business of holding people to account, if we look at the wars over the last 20 years, the culprates, the real culporates haven't actually been held to account, and i don't hold out much hope for those structures. be in any way responsive to what has happened either at the currently or

in the future, and coming back to what power presidents have, if we look at the way in which the american budget has actually been allocating huge amounts of money to israel on annual basis, not to mention the arms companies that are benefiting from this, it's a web of power that is driven by money, and to say that biden has some latitude, um, if he had real power, he would withdraw support for israel, but clearly he's not going to do that, because that's not the way this the system works. um, there is also, you know, the internal politics of um israel, netanyahu to some extent is in the business of distracting from very real uh transgressions on his part, um, and so this is diverting attention from his own crimes, in terms of embezzlement and the like, so i think in

terms of accountability, essentially our research shows that there is an overarching structure which actually controls everything, and conflict is basically one of the mechanisms by which they will achieve their agenda, which is world domination and population reduction, so in terms of accountability, we have a choice and... as individuals, we can either seek retribution for what is going on, or we can actually work to disempower the system by basically turning our backs it in every way we can, and actually build new structures that are self-organizing and actually fulfill human needs, human sustainability. this is the way we've lived for most of our existence, but since since we've had this of money, it has created conflict and competition, and all of and and we're now in the death throws of that system, um, the economic system itself is is

beginning to fail, has been in slow motion train crash for about dozen years, well since the global financial crisis, um, so this has been playing out over a long period, and we could, those of us who've been in the business of trying to understand the way the world works, have have been predicting this chaos for some time and war, "i think in one of one of the pieces that we put out we said, if all else fails, the war card card will be played, because it's a form of transact distraction, and it also aids the sort of concentration of power amongst the fewer and fewer people who are actually controlling the leavers of power through money, because every institution relies on money, and that is the currency of death and destruction that we're seeing in. and this this comes from an ideology, and this is not about jews or

israelis, this is a cult that dates back two and a half thous years and it's been evolving, the plan has been long a long time in gestation, the russian revolution or bolshevic revolution was a significant milestone as we're two world wars of the 20th century, what has happened in the 21st century is acceleration of that agenda and we're seeing the craziness "not just in gaza, but across a whole host of issues that is actually emerging from that, but the good news is that we will get through this, and people will turn their back on these institutions because they..." will understand that they are enslaved to a system of destruction and abuse that basically is not suitable for purpose in terms of human sustainability. okay, ali ris, first of all, i'm going to give you an opportunity to respond to what our guest uh, mr. menzi said in london. um, yep, again about the

presidential power, you know, to make this reference or to describe the american president merely as a spectator, not involved in policy making, i think that's a bit going a bit too far. you have something which is called presidential doctrines. each american president who comes in has a doctrine he wants implement. again, i'm not saying that the american presidents on subject to pressures, but they do have significant room for decision making. recall that obama, for example, he came in, he wanted to make deal with iran, israel oppos it, the israeli lobby opposed. many others opposed it, but regardless he went ahead and the deal was reached, trump then came in, trump withdrew from the deal, so every president comes in and has his agenda, and lot, not every item on the agenda is implemented, but some of these items are implemented, okay uh, so you know there is presidential leeway, and i don't think that biden isn't um isn't putting

pressure on israel because he can't put pressure, i think he's not putting pressure on israel because because he doesn't want to put pressure. on the israeli side, but i think that as time goes by, as we saw from his statement where he referred to indiscriminate bombing, sure, i think that the pile, the pressure is piling up for a change. mr. risk, now staying with you, the political bureau chief of hamas, ismael han, he just recently rejected the israeli claim that post war gaza will not be governed by the resistance group or by any palestinian group for that matter. uh, honey, he said that that's basically a... illusion when he was reacting to the israeli officials who disclosed the regime's plan for the future of gaza, so walk us through those comments please, is the plan talked about by israel is even viable, and what do you think should happen once this massacre ends? well look, there's um, you have an israeli plan which is

for israel to have security control over gazah without the palestinian authority being. involved and that's where the israelis differ with the americans, the americans advocate for the palestinian authority to come and take responsibility for the gaza strip, so you have those two plans, now hamas rejects both the israeli plan and the american plan because both according to hamas are considered to be infringement on palestinian sovereignty and palestinian decision making, um, but this reference to the day after as they call it, it has exposed a significant disagreement between the israelis and the americans, i think that netanyahu is being held hostage by the more far right figures within his government, bengavir and smotric who refused even deal with the palestinian authority, which is labeled as the more moderate force, the americans on the other hand, they believe that two-state solution has to be reached and

that requires the palestinian authority to be involved, so there is a quite a... big gap in that regard, but it's too early even talk about the palestinian authority given, as you yourself mentioned, the performance, the military performance of hamas seems to be very much intact, the missile attacks, the uh even members of the elite goulani unit have been either killed or injured as a result of the fighting within gaza, so it's too early to talk about these uh scenarios, but um again you know hamas... has been very firm to begin with. osama hamdan, the senior official in hamas has stated time and again that these plans are just illusions or dreams and that they're wasting their time in talking about the day after in gaza which would not involve hamars playing role or the palestinian people deciding who will govern the gaza strip.

clive menzi's uh looking at this issue from a regional uh perspective uh the... the uh resistance front in lebanon, that's lebanon's hesbollah, yemen's ansorlah resistance movement and the armed forces of the country, resistance groups in iraq and syria which have also carried out operations against israel and even the united states positions, uh just recently yemani armed forces they targeted israeli linked ships and vessels bound for the occupied territories and the yemeni army has said that such attacks will continue until the gaza war ends. now, when there's talk and warnings of a wider war in the region, are the israelis in washington not considering the repercussions of a coordinated and unified response from all resistance fronts in the region or do they have that in mind and they are actually edging toward that? um, if i may, i just like

to touch on the presidential point in the early 20th century, woodro wilson was voted in a ticket of keeping out of world war one, but he was puppet like most presidents and was he was instrumental in. getting america into the war, and incidentally the media and the power, leavers of power that were behind that, were rewarded with the gift of israel under the ballford declaration, kennedy tried to follow his own agenda and we know what happened to him, and so there are contradictions and seeming sort of differences, but it's mainly cosmetics and theater, coming back to your point about a larger regional war, that is obviously the... risk that this turns into another um massive conflugration across the region and and possibly even further field. um, suspect it

won't happen, not least because china and russia are far more military capable, militarily capable than i would suggest nato and the west, and so is a bit like ukraine, ukraine was the alleged but it was a proxy war being fought by nato in ukraine and and obviously there were there were many casualties that were if you like just the people locally on the ground um this is what's happening in israel that there is there is agenda which isn't necessarily american or british but it comes from the leavs of power that sit above there and one the ways of actually trying to... stem the tide of awakening that is happening across the globe in terms of the way in which we are governed, we're effectively harmed, harvested as human cattle, um, that realization is

taking greater and greater hold a daily basis and and so creating a much wider war would help to distract or or if you like divert that that sort of awakening, um, but i don't think that there is the the... necessary instruments available in terms of technology, fire power, weaponry, men, arms, etc. mean, if there are other agendas which go along with this in terms of the lbgtq agenda, which is devastated morale in the american forces and the british forces, there was a recent report showing the british have 120 tanks, so if you if you sort of look... at the overall geopolitical balance of power, i don't think a wider confeguration is feasible, it would be an act of suicide on behalf of the west to

get involved in in such an enterprise, because they're out gunned and outmanned, um, but clearly it's a risk, and i'm not in the business of making predictions because we live in such crazy times, almost anything can happen, but looking at the balance of probabilities, i think... sanity is likely to prevail through this, and hopefully those structures which have led us to this point of crisis will be will rapidly disappear, because they lose, they've already lost credibility, it's only matter of time before they lose funding and all the rest of it, because people will refuse to pay their taxes and pay debts and all the other things, all the other mechanisms by which our resources are harvested for such purposes? well, unfortunately, that's all the time we have for tonight's show. allow me to thank my guest, writer in political analy risk, joining us from the lebanese capital beirot,

thanks to political economy analyst and researcher clive menz, he's joining us from the british capital, london, and a special thanks to you our viewers for staying with us tonight, spotlight. it's good night for now and see you next time.

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