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tv   SPOTLIGHT Israel genocide  PRESSTV  December 16, 2023 1:02pm-1:30pm IRST

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welcome to spotlight: israel's genocidal onslot on gaza has been claiming hundreds of palestinin lives every day for the past 70 days, now us keeps supporting the regime's crimes, while the united nations and other international bodies failed to take any practical steps to stop the bloodshed in gaza. israel's uh minister for military affairs has said that the war on gaza mak
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continue for several more months, how many more palestinian lives have to be lost before this blood thirsty rampage comes to holt? we'll discuss that tonight with our guests. writer and political analyst ali risk joining us from the leviese capital beirot, we also have political economy analyst and researcher clive mensies joining us from the british capital, london. so gentleman, welcome to the program. let's start off with uh, mr. ritzk in the lebanese capital beirot. us president joe biden has accused israel of indiscriminate bombing of gaza and said that israel is starting to lose its international support. how many more innocent palestinians have to be massacred before the support ends, an international body step in to stop the bloodshed. "well, i think that biden's
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statements uh were important, it reflects the um, harshest criticism yet from the american president towards israel. of course, biden, as you know, has been very sympathetic, he has a personal connection to israel as he himself has underscored time and again, so the fact that you have these statements now coming from biden, i think is very, very important development which speaks volumes about the fact that the us'" may not be able to continue with its blind support uh for the israeli side. we have the american national security advisor jake sullavon who is in the region. um, he held talks with the with the israeli officials. i think what you are seeing right now is a countdown to the end of a certain phase in this war, not necessarily the end of the war as a whole, but the end of a phase in this war, and this is something which uh sullavan himself alluded to, so what i suspect is that maybe we have few weeks
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left for the intensified bombardment campaign before the situation enters into another strategy or another phase which would still include the stated objective of annihilating the hamas movement, but maybe not with the same intense bombardment, maybe with more targeted surgical strikes which the americans are bit appear to be advocating, so we are witnessing a certain, i think transition. but not necessarily, i think the approaching the end of the war, he's in london, the western backed israeli propaganda has taken a massive hit ever since people across the world started rallying in solidarity with palestinians condemning the israeli genocide in gaza, and many of these rallies, demonstrators, they carried placards reading, it's not a war, it's a genocide, so people are now recognizing that this is a... and
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they also blame the us support for the genocide in gaza, is the rejection of this war now on to the us as well? good evening, i think that one needs to understand that biden is not in power, he's following orders like most politicians, we need to differentiate between the institutions and the people, and clearly what's been happening over the last two or three years. not just over gaza, but over many causes of anger and distress, is that the people are getting ahead of the curve and understanding what's going on, they can see clearly the the outrage of what is happening in gaza, the indiscriminate targeting, um, one of the facets of this is that it allegedly they're using ai to target, we know from our experience in london where they've tried... recognition how unreliable
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that is, but it does mean that there is no accountability, they say, well, ai chose the target, so it must be real, so i think you're right that there is... 'there is people led revolt against what is happening and joe biden is merely articulating what he can in order to try and not get ahead of the curve but at least keep up with the curve and this has been happening across so many aspects of what's been happening in the madness of the last three or four years um i mean one could say it goes back to the war on terror and it's beginning but now people having if you'. remember back in 2001 uh not many people carried phones, there wasn't the level of communication and social media that there is today, but people are increasingly turning their back on mainstream channels and actually can visibly see uh the outrage and
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the onslot and certainly it is a genocide, i think any normal rational person couldn't describe it as anything else, i wouldn't even describe it as a war um because this is actually targeting civilians, as you said, women and children, um, as well as, non-combatant males as well, so to my mind, what we're seeing is the desperation of the system to try and regain control of the narrative, and the only way to do that is to acknowledge at least to some degree the illegality and the outrage of what israel is doing, and let's not forget, okay, this is... not about people, this is not israelelis doing this, this is a political structure which is now global that is driving this, and that structure is desperately trying to hang to the narrative, but it's failing to do so, and it's indicative of the whole system that
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is falling down around our ears. okay, ali risk in the beginning of the israeli onslot on gaza, the israeli regime said that it is seeking to mantle uh the military capabilities of the resistance groups in gaza, however after 70 days of the lethal and deadly bombings by the israelis, the resistance groups are fighting back strong both inside and outside of gaza, so that means that the israelis have not achieved their initial military objectives other than murdering women and children, what have the israelis achieved in your opinion? uh, first before answering the... question, just quick, two quick points on commenting on your guest, um, i think that the american president, contrary to some perceptions does enjoy a certain leeway in decision making, so biden does have some freedom to act, it's not like his controlled by some upper forces, i'm not
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saying the that he is complete, but he does have significant leeway, but the issue is that biden, more than most other presidents, as i said, has a personal connection to israel, he's spoken about this time. and again about the fact that you don't need to be a jewish to be a zionist etc. and that personal connection isn't always there with other with other presidents. the second point, i agree with your guest when he makes this comparison between uh the current situation in 2001, just after the september 11 attacks. if you recall biden tried to portray hamas as evil and there was this equation equating it with isis etc. this saying... you know, a portrayal of the other actors as evil, it's reminiscent of the bush administration's language, but this time around the american public and the western publics haven't bought in to this argument, and if you notice this talk about hamas being the equivalent of isis has pretty much
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disappeared even in western politicians narrative or statements. regarding your question about what israel has achieved in addition to um or other than killing innocent people, women and children, i think that what it has achieved that it further um damage israel's global status, if you would like, further exposing israel as an international paraya, as racist state which is similar or even worse than the south african apartide regime, so i think that what israel has done is it, it has done a severe damage to itself to itstanding, and it's also done damage to the us because of the u.s. support for the israeli side and i think that the united states, the decision makers are just beginning to awaken to the to this fact at least that the current right-wing government, which is described as the most right-wing fascist in israel's history, is doing damage to the american side, and i think that's why
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you heard president biden referring to the necessity of netanyahu making some changes in the faces within within his cabinet, so israel has inflicted, as i or netanyahu, i should say, has inflicted severe damage to israeli interest themselves and to the israeli alliance with the united states. right, clive, regarding the issue of account. the likes of the icc and the icj, they have proven insufficient in the past. palestine's un ambassador has also criticized the international criminal court for failing to prosecute israeli officials for their crimes against palestinians, but there has to be consequences for the war crimes and crimes against humanity that the uh the israelis have committed against palestinians, so after this devastating massacre ends, how can the issue of accountability begin to take shape? "well, that's a fairly complex question,
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first and foremost, the - the international criminal court, if it was in the business of holding people to account, if we look at the wars over the last 20 years, the culprates, the real culprates haven't actually been held to account, and i don't hold out much hope for those structures to be in any way responsive to what has happened either at the currently or..." in the future, and coming back to what power presidents have, if we look at the way in which the american budget has actually been allocating huge amounts of money to israel on annual basis, not to mention the arms companies that are benefiting from this, it's a web of power that is driven by money, and to say that biden has some latitude, um, if he had real power he would withdraw support for israel, but clearly... he's not going to do that because that's not the way this the system works. um, there is also, you know, the
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internal politics of israel, netanyahu to some extent is in the business of distracting from very real transgressions on his part, um, and so this is diverting attention from his own crimes, in terms of embezzlement and the like, so i i think of accountability, essentially our research shows that there is an overarching structure which actually controls everything, and conflict is basically one of the mechanisms by which they will achieve their agenda, which is world domination and population reduction, so in terms of accountability, we have a choice as individuals, we can either seek retribution for what is going on, or we can actually work to... disempow the system by basically turning our backs it in every way we can and
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actually build new structures that are self-organizing and actually fulfill human needs, human sustainability. this is the way we've lived for most of our existence, but since since we've had this creation of money, it is created conflict and competition and all of and and we're now in the death throws of that system, the economic system. itself is is beginning to fail, has been in slow motion train crash for about dozen years, well since the global financial crisis, um, so this has been playing out over a long period, and we could, those of us who've been in the business of trying to understand the way the world works, have have been predicting this chaos for some time, and war, i think in one of one of the pieces that we put out, we said, if all else failed... the war card card will be played because it's a form of transac um distraction and it also
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aids the sort of concentration of power amongst those fewer and fewer people who are actually controlling the leavers of power through money because every institution relies on money and that is the currency of death and destruction that we're seeing in gaza and this this comes from an ideology and this is not about jews or israelies. "this is cult that dates back two and a half thous years and it's been evolving, the plan has been long a long time in gestation, the russian revolution or bolshevic revolution was a significant milestone as we're two world wars of the 20th century, what has happened in the 21st century is acceleration of that agenda, and we're seeing the craziness, not just in gaza but across a whole host of issues that is actually emerging from that." but the good news is that we will get through this and people will turn their back on these institutions because
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they will understand that they are enslaved to a system of destruction and abuse that basically is not suitable for purpose in terms of human sustainability. okay, ali ris, first of all, i'm going to give you an opportunity to respond to what our guest, mr. mensi said in london. um, yep, again about the presidential power, you know, to make this reference or to describe the american president merely as a spectator, um, not involved in policy making, i think that's a bit, going a bit too far, you have something which is called presidential doctrines. each american president who comes in has a doctrine he wants implement. again, i'm not saying that the american presidents are subject to pressures, but they do have significant room for decision making. recall that obama, for example, he came in, he wanted to make deal with iran. israel opposed it, the israel israeli lobby opposed it, many
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others opposed it, but regardless he went ahead and the deal was reached. trump then came in, trump... withdrew from the deal, so every president comes in and has his agenda, and lot, not every item on the agenda is implemented, but some of these items are implemented, okay, so you know there is presidential leeway, and i don't think that biden isn't um isn't putting pressure on israel because he can't put pressure, i think he's not putting pressure on israel because because he doesn't want to put pressure on the israeli side, but i think that as time goes by, as we saw from his statement where he refers to indiscriminate bombing, sure, i think that the pile, the pressure is piling up for a change. mr. risk, now staying with you, the political bureau chief of hamas, ismail han, he just recently rejected the israeli claim that post war gaza will not be governed by the resistance group or by any palestinian group for that matter. honey, he said that that's basically delusion when he
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was reacting to the israeli officials who disclosed the regime's plan for the... future of gaza, so walk us through those comments please, is the plan talked about by israels even viable, and what do you think should happen once this massacre ends? well, look, there's um, you have an israeli plan, which is for israel to have security control over gaza without the palestinian authority being involved, and that's where the israelis differ with the americans, the americans advocate for the palestiny. authority to come and take responsibility for the gazza strip, so you have those two plans. now hamas rejects both the israeli plan and the american plan, because both, according to hamas are considered to be infringement on palestinian sovereignty and palestinian decision making. um, but uh, this reference to the day after, as they call it, it has
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exposed a significant disagreement between the israelis and the americans, i think that netanyahu. is being held hostage by the more far right figures when in his government, bengavir and smotric who uh refuse even deal with the palestinian authority, which is labeled as the more moderate force, the americans on the other hand, they believe that two-state solution has to be reached and that requires the palestinian authority to be involved, so there is a quite a big gap in that regard, but it's too early even talk about the palestinian authority give. as you yourself mentioned, the performance, the military performance of hamas seems to be very much intact, the missile attacks, the uh, even members of the elite gulan unit have been either killed or injured as a result of the fighting within gaza, so it's too early to talk about these scenarios, but again,
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hamas has been very firm to begin with, osama hamdan, the senior official in hamas has stated time and... again that these plans are just illusions or dreams and that they're wasting their time in talking about the day after and gaza, which would not involve hamas playing role or the palestinian people deciding who will govern the gaza strip. clive mens, looking at this issue from a regional uh perspective, the uh resistance front in lebanon, that's lebanon's yemen's. resistance movement and the armed forces of the country, resistance groups in iraq and syria, which have also carried out operations against israel and even the united states positions, just recently yemini armed forces, they targeted israeli lance ships and vessels bound for the occupied territories, and the yemani army has said that such attacks will
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continue until the gaza war ends, now when there's talk and warnings of a wider war in the region are the israelis in washington not considering the repercussions of a coordinated and unified response from all resistance fronts in the region or do they have that in mind and they are actually edging toward that? um, if i may, i just like to touch on the presidential point in in the early 20th century, woodrow wilson was voted in a ticket of keeping out of world war one, but he was puppet like most presidents and was uh he was instrumental in getting america into the war and incidentally the media and the power leaders of... power that were behind that were rewarded with the gift of israel under the ballford declaration. um, kennedy tried to follow his own agenda and we know what happened to him, and so there are
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contradictions and seeming sort of differences, but it's mainly cosmetics and theater. coming back to your point about a larger regional war, that is obviously the main risk that this turns into another massive conflugration across the region. and possibly even further field. um, i suspect it won't happen um, not least, because china and russia are far more military capable, militarily capable than i would suggest nato and the west, and so you know, is a bit like ukraine, ukraine was the alleged theater, but it was a proxy war being fought by by nato in ukraine. and and obviously there were there were many casualties that were, if you like, just the people locally on the ground. um, this is what's happening in israel, that
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there is, there is agenda which isn't necessarily american or british, but it comes from the leaves of power that are that sit above there, and one of the ways of actually trying to stem the tide of awakening that is happening across the globe in terms of the way in which we are. govern, we're effectively harmed, harvested as human cattle, um, that realization is taking greater and greater hold a daily basis and and so creating a much wider war would help to distract or or if you like, divert that that sort of awakening, um, but i don't think that there is the the necessary instruments available in terms of technology, firepower, weaponry, men, arms, etc. um, i mean if there are other agendas which go along with this in terms of the lbgtq agenda, which is
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devastated morale in the american forces and the british forces, um, there was a recent report showing the british have 120 tanks, so if you if you sort of look at the overall geopolitical balance of power, i don't think a wider conc' conflogration is feasible, it would be an active suicide on behalf of the west to get involved in in such an enterprise uh, because they're out gunned and outmed. um, but clearly it's a risk, and i'm not in the business of making predictions, because we live in such crazy times, almost anything can happen, but looking at the balance of probabilities, i think sanity is likely to prevail through this, and hopefully, 'those structures which have led us to this point of crisis will be will rapidly disappear because they lose, they've already lost credibility, it's only matter of time before they lose
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funding and all the rest of it because people will refuse to pay their taxes and pay debts and all the other things, all the other mechanisms by which our resources and energy are harvested for such purposes. unfortunately that's all the time we have for tonight's show a'. me to thank my guest, writer in political and saudi risk joining us from the lebanese capital bayrut, thanks to political economy analyst and researcher clive menz, he's joining us from the british capital, london and a special thanks to you our viewers for staying with us tonight spotlight. it's good night for now and see you next time. منطقه کمربندی است که تقریباً عمق آن ۱۰ تا ۱۵ کیلومتر است و این منطقه هم اکنون زیر سلطه سعد حدداد یا دست نشانده اسرائیل است.73 دخلت قوه
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اسرائيليه كبيره الى الحي الجنوبي من الطيبه ودمرت حوالي 14 بيت الاسرائيليين هم اللي هجمونا على بيتنا. حاوطونا من كل الجهات ما استطاعوا الوصول لكل البيت هلا في بلد الطيبه كان في عمليات كروفار قدموا هؤلاء الشباب بقياده الدكتور مصطفى شمران نحن محكومون بالامل وما يحدث اليوم ليس نهايه التاريخ. i'm robert in lakesh and i've come here to occupied palestine to investigate what the so-called deal of the century means for the palestinian
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people and and the future of palestine, this deal is not a deal for b or base plan, it is a war player, you are the oppressed and they are the oppresseds and they they want the oppressed to give more to the oppressor, they want the oppressed to be oppressed more. what would you do? you will just leave your houses for money, leave your land, leave your life, your memories, your history, for your money.
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impressive headlines death from us is really genocide in gaza near's 19,000 palestinian fighters remain engaged in heavy fighting, inflicting heavy losses on occupation forces. press your moun is really prime minister as he fails to free captives from gaza while three of those held are killed by the regime's own forces. and key shipping firms pause red sea travels yemen's army warrans it will to continue targeting its really balanced ships unless medicine include is allowed into gas.