hello and welcome to press tv spart. marzia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. well, as the zianist regime continues its genocide, the united states promises it more weapons and its continued support. this was said by the secretary of defense lloyd austin, who is in the israeli entity and meeting with the war cabinet, but as the american zianis genocide continues, so does the resistance inside of the occupied palestinian territories and beyond, i'd like to welcome. my guest to this program to help

me look at all of this. anthony hong, professor of globalization, leth bridge university, out of leth bridge, and gilbert doctor, independent international affairs analysts out of brussels. thank you both for being with me. well, let me start this off uh with anthony. why do you think austin has gone? to israel again at this time? well, who uh can really know? i'm sure there's so much going on underneath the radar uh, but uh, what we see is a full-fledged assurance that the us is behind this assault on gaza, uh, that uh, the weaponry will continue, uh, that uh, the link between these two countries, which are almost now, emerged country und

under a higher politic called zionism, that this will continue, and uh, of course, he wants to uh get some kind of arab unity to fight the, let's call them yemanies, not the hooutis anymore, they do control a country called yemen, and of all the arab countries, they are the most courageous, they are the most uh unstinting in showing support, and of course this is going to embarrass other arab countries that aren't showing anywhere that level of commitment putting lives on the line to save uh the menaced people in the gaza strip so we can talk about all kinds of underpinnings and contacts that's my reading of uh of it initially okay well gilbert and

on what the americans are saying and doing, isn't this genocide as american as it is israeli? well, yes, it certainly is, and the united states has lost face internationally, the the utter hypocrisy of everything the united states has said about the russian ukraine war being so horrible and so murderous, that has all been wiped away by a different. of magnitude of violence, destruction and and ethnic cleansing that israel has been practicing with american support uh ever since october 7th, so that that is one thing, the other thing to mention is that within the united states, the complicity and the act of participation actually of of united states military in in of support of israel's devastating activities in gaza. "that is something that has affected

the broad public and particularly young people. uh, how long this can go on, really depends on factors uh outside of the region, it depends on the political um determinations within washington, whether biden's plans to be reelected next year, are being totally destroyed by the uh, by the disaffection of young people and young democrats." with respect to to this this war, and so america is very big factor um in the war's possible continuation or ending, whatever, whatever, the defense minister austin says, and the the there is more to it than meets the eye, if this is really offensive stops in his tracks, it also could be caused by something that's... in the last several days, which is

a minor thing one would think, but considering the scale of of devastation and death that israel has rought, the outrage in the neighboring countries. and the shock that is felt by even in the least tenderhearted countries of the west when they watch on bbc or cnn or what or euro news what israel is perpetrating in in in gaza, there is shock and dismay, but all of these big picture issues may be um may be nothing compared to what is happening or may yet happen within israel over the the murder. the three hostages who would who had somehow been freed, somehow come come to come home they thought, and were murdered by by israeli army, that has had very big effect on the israeli public, it is proven the utter

falseness of mr. natu's government when it declares that that releasing the hostages is a priority, and i might add, it has a different. to the israeli activities, yes, they are very regretful, they sl their own, but is still more important that they fired on people who had raised the white flag, that tells you something about the nature of this government, about the nature of the war ministry and the senior military of israel, let me get anthony back in on this discussion, well anthony the zientists released footage claiming that... had found major tunnel of the resistance, however the resistance said that they were too late with their discovery because that particular tunnel was the one used on october the 7th for the al-a flood operation, and it's a very limited tunnel. um, your thoughts on this

overall, because - on the one hand they're trying to show that they have accomplished something. on the other hand, one could ask, well, first of all, why would a people need? to begin with, unless they're imprisoned. these tunnels are something to behold, remind myself that hochi men, the north vietnamese had tunnels, how did they withstand that enormous bombardment, that carpet bombing, they had tunnels and so gaza, the hamas has dug tunnels, wonder what the history of that? is uh and this is very strong card, this uh changes everything really, and i think the israelis are sort of demonstrating, they really don't know what's going on, and of course the question now of uh the tunnels

possibly drowning the hostages, hamas has reported that 60 of them have been killed already, mostly in the bombardment, now this question of uh the united states and what is going on in the united states, think of the reality that in these forthcoming elections, so say biden loses uh and he will lose lots of support uh, but who are the contenders? the contender is trump who is tries to exceed all others and uh pledging allegiance to israel and delivering israel what it would like and terms of capital recognition, the capital, national capital or the goland heights and number three is robert f kennedy jr. who represents major alternative for the american voters, he's now going independent,

but even he has this overwhelming commitment that he makes very clear to israel, right or wrong, whatever, this has to underline for the us public that their government is not really democratic government when it comes to this issue, there are no major options being presented, now we have three candidates all the same, so this signals to people that this zionist power is out of control, that it dominates the opposition parties or the alternative parties and and and and as far as hoping for election elections we know are corrupt and they used covid as means to throw the last election and mail-in ballots and all and why would we expect this coming election to be any better? now this demonstration of what the israeli military is all about, i

think this firing at the israel, do we call them hostages? obviously they were freeed, they escaped, whatever, but they were taking their clothes off trying to demonstrate the have no weapons with the white flag and they're shot by the idf and that is demonstration. not only for israeli public opinion, but for the world that this is israel fighting force, which is 100% back by the united states, created, united states really created israel, britain created israel as a outpost, as a colonial outpost for the west with the sudan canal, and then in 19 after world war ii, the us took over this colonial project, and developed you know the the founding of israel in 1948 began a

genocide which is continuing now, which is culminating now, so things are emerging that show the poverty of anything approaching the rule of law in the world right now, how deeply depraved our society as a whole, our global society has become, yes indeed, well gilbert, what about the uh uh "when we see the resistance, the palestinian resistance, um, it is true that israel is - definitely uh killing a lot of kids, lot of women, lot of civilians in general, but they are really not crushing the resistance as that was their goal when going into that. i i want to look at this and that even still, uh, the they are able, the resistance is still able to send rockets to the occupied palestinian territories." look at that side of things and how is that, how are they able to do that with all of the firep that the israeli regime

has? of course admirable, but let's not get confused about who is who and what is what, the that they have, that hamas has stayed this far and has resisted and found ways escape the the the awful onslot of israel, that's very very good, however that is not a victory, the the damage that they have done to the... idf is appears to be rather pultry compared to the damage that israel has done to the to the gaza palestinians, 20 thousand people dead, that is not offset by by a missile here and there that may have succeeded in in getting through the iron dome and striking somewhere other on on empty street in israel, that is not war, that is simply an expression of of anger, and it is it's not. not going to resolve the conflict by by hamos having a few missiles to fire

here and there, the question is, what else is the is the greater community in the middle east prepared or able to do, and as we see, aside from lot of jawboning and and posturing, they haven't done much. iran made remarkable and very important proposal to to impose an oil embargo on israel, and even that did not pass. in opec and so the only economic the economic war on israel has been has been initiated in the last few days or weeks uh precisely by the hutis or yemen uh in their in their missile strikes on container ships and in their boarding parties on other ships passing to the red sea that is to this point the most effective uh um way of getting the attention of the world and and bringing to the attention of the world, the

economic cost that this war may bring, not just to the neighborhood, but to the whole world, if it doesn't turn into a regional and global um canetic war. well, anthony, let's talk about the yemenis, um, because actually today they stopped two more - ships headed to the regime, ye, many military spokesman said, if gaza does not receive the food and medicine, it needs all ships and red sea bond for israeli ports, regardless of their nationality, will become a target for our armed forces. i like to hear your thoughts about this and uh the effectiveness of not or not of what they're doing. well, the yemenese uh stood up to huge battering uh, where the projectile at the front was saudi arabia, but saudi arabia of course was backed up with uh us weapons um "this group within yemen called the hutis, we were referring to them as the

hootis, they have prevailed, and to my way of thinking, they have demonstrated uh, right up to this point a tremendous um commitment and determination to stand up against something intolerable, and it's really kind of interesting that the whole world, the only real example we have of a..." country of a polity that will go beyond words and pronouncements and declarations and votes that will actually take a stand are the uh yemenis. in this situation, and so uh, i cannot help, but look at that as heroic statement, heroic stand that should send a signal now, that we are going deep now into this conflict, it seem that with the firing on the three young palestinian, three, three,

three young israeli men who had the white flag up, that there was a moment there that the domest. pressure on netanyahu that it seemed it was possible there would be some kind of uh ceasefire, some kind of truth, something to deal with the larger picture and establish a procedure, but with lloyd austin coming in in the way that he did a full fledged salesman for the military industrial complex were having worked for all these arms agencies which are making a killing on this and he acts essentially like uh somebody who got in the job by affirmative action, he's really done nothing to demonstrate uh much uh thoughtfulness or leadership and he's acted true to form as delivery boy to the us uh uh israeli coalition to simply say continue on it's all right with us we're we're with you

uh you were our project uh israel was our military outpost. in the middle east, you still fulfill that function, we're behind you, uh, biden um, is uh, you know, all this talk about the political trouble he's in, but there's no alternative in the whole us system to vote for anything other than this uh, complete backing of the most extreme israeli government we've ever seen, this is the most uh awesome, terrible spectacle i've seen in my lifetime of kind of... billboard genocide taking place with al-jazera and press tv covering the nitty gritties of it, it's it's amazing, i don't think the people in the power vacuum, in the little bubble of power can understand how throughout the world, this is a symbol of the de depth of the total,

monstrous consciousness of those who are so used to conducting power of life and death over the human population. that somehow or other this is going to be expressed and it's not going to find some expression in the united nations or it's got to be in the streets, it's got to be coalition building like we've never seen before a global basis, and it's not always going to be polite. all right, stay with me, well gilbert, continue to look at the resistance in general, i want to look now at heizballah which started its attacks one day after the beginning of the al-axa flood offensive, you're... assessment of what hezbollah is doing, because they have opened up of course another front, uh, the israelis have to deal with the northern side of this, and of course the uh settler colonias who were near that border had to be evacuated. um, how costly do you think this is for the israelis, this other front with hesbullah? well, moment ago we speak about

the hoodies who in western press are all described as rebels. and my fellow panelist has very correctly equated hoodies with yemen as a state, so that's the same thing comes up with heizballah, it is presented as wild radicals, however the the like hamas also within within palestine, this the the leaders these various movements have been some very sophisticated people, and so it is with with hesbollah and they're doing their calculations and they was estimated. that the start of of the conflict back in the early days of october that hezbulah has an arsenal of 10000 missiles or more capable of overwhelming the iron dome and and doing massive destruction in israel, however that would come at the cost of massive destruction to lebanon, and that is pretty obvious, so they have the leaders in hesbollah have made

the point that we can we can do some serious..." damage uh if we really want to to israeli forces, they have pinned down perhaps a quarter of the israeli army in the north towards the border, they have forced the evacuation of perhaps 50 thousand israeli settlers who were in residences near the border with lebanon, but who are within reach, easy reach of of hezbollah artillery, not to mention missiles, so they have made point, but they have not gone too far. they have not gone beyond a certain red line, which would threaten a full-blown war with israel, which they don't want, because it's going to be very costly war, a costly war in lives and material. and better avoid it, but that is true of of iran as well, it's true of all of the middle east players, nobody wants this to become regional war, nobody wants an

escalation, and so all the actors are proceeding very cautiously, one thing to say on behalf of this caution is that if for example the neighbors or iran had gone in at once and responded to the devastation which israel was already in the first days of its offensive. was who? and that is something that only could have come about with a certain amount of indulgence and patience. we all are horrified, the 20 thousand palestinians have lost their lives, and that still leaves 2

million 280 thousand palestinians who have not lost their lives, and that is the object has to be the objective of all reasonable people at this time, to do everything possible to stop this war in its tracks, and as i said, for political reasons, domestic, the united states. and all of american foreign policy is only a projection of domestic issues, it may well be that despite the see the big words of mr. austin, the united states is privately counseling israel, not the netanyahu government to stop this or else, the or else being a massive pressure on on israel as a whole to to wise up, they are behaving as if they're the united states, the united states has got... literally a massive scale for the last 25 years when it's played the role of the world's only superpower, israel is not the world's only superpower or second superpower or third superpower, and

however much support it gets the united states, it cannot get away with mer, so i think that that the restraint that's been shown till now has served a constructive purpose, okay let me see, anthony just raised his hand, 30 seconds, anthony, go ahead, i'm just about out of time, but go ahead. "there's one like to see a regional war, that's benjamin netanyahu. benjamin netanyahu in the events of october 7, where israel plays the victim, where the occupier gets to play the victim, that is so cut through with falseness, with prior knowledge, with fraud on different levels. we need investigation into october 7, uh, 2023, to decide really make it clear, who are the victims and who are the perpetrators here, including..." the events of october 7th itself. okay, and on that note, thank you both for being with me on this spotlight. anthony haw, professor of globalization, liith bridge university out of

lith bridge, and gilbert doctor, independent international affairs analyst out of brussels and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight. i'm marza hashimi, hope to see you right here next time. goodbye. i'm brover in lakesh and i've come here to occupied palestine to investigate what the so-called deal of the century means for the palestinian people and the future of palestine. this deal is not a deal for beast. for base plan, it is a war plan, you are the oppressed and they are the oppressors and

they they want the oppressed to give more to the oppressor, they want the oppressed to be oppressed more, what would you do? you will just leave your houses for money, leave your land, leave your life, your memories, your history for your money.