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"the us' israeli genocidal war has continued to take the lives of palestinians, leaving no doubt about the purpose of this genocidal war, make the gaza strip unlivable while exterminating the gazan population, both war crimes, but other war crimes that israel regime forces have committed are becoming more commonplace, like summary execution of 11 palestinians in front of their family members, or using food as a weapon of war, not to mention the use of banned weapons like phosphorus bombs, well in this addition..." the program we will look at what the endgame of this us israely genocidal war may be and whether israel can be able to achieve any kind of victory. first let me introduce our guests. zakir ahmed mayat is an attorney, activist and political analyst joining us from johannesburg. also joining us fl's political economy analyst and researcher who joins us from london. welcome to you both, ah let me... let me first start with you, when

you take a look at the death doll that uh we are looking at at this point, which is rising, it seems like by the minute of sometimes, uh, 21,320 overall, okay, uh, in the past 24 hours 210 people have been murdered and we're looking at about 7,00 that are under the rubble, uh, not to sound like a broken record, but it's pretty incredible when you take a look at 80 some od days that have passed, and we're looking at how the massacring of palestinians especially in the... span of 24 hours and the hundreds is sounding like it's going to become common place, we don't think so, but it just seems of like it's like that, when you take a look at the uh number of days consecutive days that this has happened and of course the stats that we're looking at right now, um, what can we do for this not to uh go into that uh type of a um a realm where it becomes common place for palestinians to be killed, massacred or murdered, i should say, the hundreds, i think

one of the key aspects is to remember that the palestinian figures that we are getting, 8,800 children, last night's figure was 21,330 marters is that these are human beings, these are not just statistics, these are families, these are children, these are women, and they are the pillars of families in gazza, i think that is the key aspect that we need to understand. that israel is targeting specific the families, family structures, the innocent, the largely child population of haza, and that these are human beings, the moment we continue to focus on that aspect, it becomes aborent to us, the moment we start looking at this as statistics, i think that is when we lose a sense of our humanity and a part of our humanity, so the most important thing for...

us is to ensure that we view this through the humanitarian lanes, that these are human beings that are being subjected to unthinkable torture and massacres a daily basis and that would galvanize us to continue to protest. i think one of the key aspects and strategies of israel's process of extermination is to ensure that this goes on for a protected period and as a result there would be solidarity fatigue, but this solidarity. "fatigue would not set in if we of hold through to that basic principle, these are human beings, not numbers, and then channel our activism, our concern, our protest in that direction. well, we're looking at clavanzias, a list of war crimes that have been committed, and uh, i don't know which one to ask you, because we need to highlight it, but i think the one that i'm going to ask you about, um, of which there are going to be number of others that we're of going to also discuss, uh, is what aosama hamdan the..." senior hermos leader said in

beirot about an hour ago uh about how an israeli soldier was looking for palestinian babies to kill of which uh when you take a look at the tweet, i don't know if you've seen it, i'm sorry x. uh, it said, uh, this is really soldier with smile said, i killed a 14-year-old or 12-year-old, he said, but i'm looking to kill another baby, something along those lines. okay, so this is what we're looking at, uh, what's your impression about about the this type of approach by an israeli regime force? i mean, are they, are they being told, is this in their nature, did they get trained this way, because uh, we're we're obviously saying uh against. so many war crimes that are being committed, and this obviously in itself is quite incredible. good evening, kelly. um, yeah, it's it is distressing, but let's not forget that in war there's a lot of propaganda and i'm not saying this is propaganda, but we need to

understand the subtleties, so in the first world war, it was reputed that germans were eating babies, um, and we've seen many examples. "it was then, there was then a process to actually terrify them, to convince them that the rest of the world, specifically the arab world, but more generally as well, that they were, they were targets, they were hated and they were going to be abused, there's a very

good film by an israeli called defamation, which shows how teenage kids are taken to poland and indoctrinated to be fearful, um, some of..." the two old men were having a polish men were having a conversation and one the children asked one of the minders what they were saying and they obviously made it up but basically said that these people wanted to kill them um mean that's the sort of gist of the propaganda if you look at the anti-deformation league in the states which is a highly funded and political organization which features in defamation. in the film um, it's indicative. when we come to the specifics of the current situation, the war started with the lie, you only have to look at the trajectory since the the gift of israel to the rothchals in exchange for getting america into the first world war, um,

through to the nack bar in 1948, not to mention the atrocities of the king david hotel where they blew up british. numerous terrorist attacks and then you go on through all the wars that we've seen subsequently, they are war crimes, but these are war crimes that aren't exclusive to israelis, the the feature of the structure under which we live, so whether you're talking about mosul, during the iraq war or what they did in libya, syria, i mean in syria they were targeting civilians, women, babies, using them as as hostages and and don't tell me, that was isis or daesh, it was basically there another weapon in nato's army to destabilize countries, so israel is just focal point for the structures abusive destruction, and it is

terrible, and one ought to protest, i'm not saying people shouldn't protest, but protest isn't. to stop it, the only way to stop is when we turn our backs on those institutions which are most of them, which have failed us, we should stop paying taxes, we should stop voting for mps, they're all just actors in a giant theater of destruction. okay, well since you talked about women there, i need to also talk about this particular instant that happened, where you had israely forces kill pregnant women in gaza and they ran over bodies with bulldozers. to a report where you had uh four pregnant women who were shot dead, they were heading to the al auda hospital, now this reminds me in some sense, if you if i can test your memory where israely soldiers targeted pregnant palestinian women for two for one as they

called it, and they wore t-shirts to that effect, right? so it's not as if this genocidal war is bringing out the worst out the regime forces, but this is something that is maybe either. or they were exposed to, i'm not too sure what word to use here, what what do you what reaction do you get when you hear about these types of war crimes? so it's a... exactly what i was going to refer to, the t-shirt that showed raticle of pregnant palestinian, and in fact those exact words is two for one, this process of dehumanization within israeli society is not isolated to this particular military operation, it has been established from the inception of the zionist entity, but if we on in on recent times what we look at, you have gallant at the very beginning referring to palestinian. as human animals that they going to eradicate hamas and then declaring that they would not allow food, water, fuel into ghazah, and that

is not to target hamas, that is to target the palestinian people, so when he was referring to human animals, he wasn't referring to hamas, he was talking about the palestinian people in gaza, and then you see the atrocities and the sieges that have been placed on the west bank, curfews, the the terminology is slightly different. within the west bank, but for hours on end, they are curfews. then you look ilot releasing a post on her social media, which refers to palestinians as snakes, you go even further to old israeli leaders such as golden me saying that there's no such thing as palestinians, so dehumanization is part of colonialism, and that is why in south africa we have a symbol of colonialism a south africa. can born on the soil sarki bartman whose body was mutilated because she had a

different shape of body and was displayed in museums in the european world and her body was cut up, her clothing was demonstrated as look at these savages and as an exhibit, so this ideology and this thought process is part of colonialism and that is why we seeing the grotesk actions that are put of the participants in the massaca in gaza. "that soldier that you refer to, boasting about him killing a 12 year old child and then looking for babies, this is not exceptional. if we look at the trend on social media, many young israelis are rejoicing at the killing of palestinians, why? because of the ideology that these are not human beings, these are subhumans and that is the ethnic superiority that is referred to in many human rights programs and projects, for example human rights watch." amnesty international balem all speak of a partit, all speak about the rehumanization of palestinians and the

establishment of a state based on ethnic superiority, so when we look at the targeting of pregnant women, this is also not exceptional, when you look at israel's target list, they have targeted maternity hospitals, they have sent missiles through windows of maternity hospitals, and this is a orchestrated attempt to exterminate the palestinian people. in gaza, this is precisely what it is, it's a genocide and there's no way of brushing over it with any form of semantics or or trying to distance ourselves from the extremist ideology that is running this particular war. so clapmanzias, when you have israel officials that have made uh public statements expressing their aim to deprive civilians, for example in gaza, the palestinians in gaza, deprive them of food, of water, of fuel, um, and uh, basically statements that were reflected in the, the military operations, since they are saying that on record and in public, can't they be

prosecuted? um, i think that's not a serious question in the sense that no, they can't, because they're protected, like anyone who's undertaking the will of the structure is protected, otherwise tony blair, george bush and a whole range of characters would be in front of the international. criminal court or somebody, but these institutions aren't there for the advertised purpose, they're always the opposite of what they're doing, so any inquiries are to bury the truth, not to reveal the truth, but i just wanted to go back to the point about why the soldiers feel the way i do, one shouldn't ignore the militaries and and the israeli military has been working hand in glove with american, british military. and other militaries, um, their ultimate aim is to have killing machine

with no conscience, because in past wars, um, it's a statistical fact that very few would want to actually kill another human being, they did it under duress or whatever, but in a large number of cases they would aim wide or or not, not kill someone, because they just had this deep sense that they should not kill, um, but with... the influx of drugs, so the military have been using drugs to hype people up, their training hypes them up, and then of course with the onset of artificial intelligence the... can blame, well not blame, they can say that ai is infallible and and it's picking the targets, well we know from face recognition in the uk that it's highly unreliable, but coming back to your to to what your other guest was talking about in terms of the attitude to palestinians, i think we need to recognize that this ideology

of destruction has been taking shape over two and a half thous years and it's now coming it to its final. api and something over hundred years ago, the protocols of zion, which whether they were, whether they were the claimed fiction, as some would claim, or whether they're real is irrelevant, because they actually map out the trajectory that has been followed, and i think what's happening in gaza is is, if you like, a prime example of what comes straight out of the protocols, and the protocols basically say that everyone who is not, one of them, and i'm not going to specify who they are quite yet, whether it be hamas, palestinians, muslims, christians, they are the goyan, they are the non-chosen. i don't believe that all jews are chosen, because they're certainly not, they're very happy sacrifice as many jews or israelies as

they as they want, but it's all about promoting conflict and emity. so that they don't kill each other, and one may ask you, why would they advertise this in plain sight? the reason that everything is advertised for those who care to look and and not just dismiss it as conspiracy theory, the reason it is advertised, because they work a very deep satanic philosophy, and they know that if they can get us to choose to fight, to choose to do all the things we do, take vaccinations to kill and all the other things. 'then the owness is on us, it's our fault, we chose to do it, because we've been indoctrinated to do it, i see, that's interesting, um, taking a look at uh the way that the us is uh um participating in this genocidal war uh that needs to be highlighted also, and one of the things that i think maybe explains um uh in a great deal the high

number of fatalities that we're looking at is the fact that uh just about a week or so'. ago 42%, i believe was the stat that came out the types of bombs that were thrown in the gaza strip uh by the name of dumb bombs, i guess they have uh these are munitions that uh don't have uh any type of um guidance, they're unguided, so if you drop them then they hit anywhere and we know the density of uh the gaza strip, they're going to obviously kill lots of people, i mean that's quite incredible if you think about... why do you think that that type of munition um well the answer is pretty obvious if they're using it they know that is for maximum casualties right so that is the purpose of it being used provided courtesy of the us that's for i'm sorry that's for i'm sorry go ahead so the united states has been a crucial part of the

planning of this particular war they have targeted palestinians it's a about the empire right now, it's about the survival of the bastian of colonialism within the middle east, as israel is projected as an outreach program of the united states and a projection of us power within the region. when you look at the types of munitions that are being utilized, it's very clear what is being done, it's the temp to exterminate all life within northern gaza strip. the military doctrine behind this is to let everything, turn everything into rubble, those that are caught in the north are combatants, because israel reveals that they had notified everyone to move to the south, however when you look at the statistics, dr. ramaj gilbert, the norwegian doctor who has done extensive humanitarian work in gaza and has been a crucial assistant of crucial assistance to al

shifa hospital, he gave a statistic that 42% the those that have been killed were in the southern part of ghazza, not in the north, so there is no safe place within the ghazza strip, so what israel tries to do is saying that, but we warned everyone to move to the south, and therefore those that are caught in the crossfire in the north are combatants, that's not true, they know exactly what they are doing, in fact there is an interview and an article that was released by the publication plus 972. where they indicate that because of the extensive intelligence network that they have and the systems that they have in place, the 8200 intelligence unit knows exactly how many individuals are each house before the... vomit, there's also an indication by csic, or rather csis in in a panel discussion that they are utilizing geothermal imaging and the infrastructure of

the united states to map out individuals within building, so when they throw those bombs, they know exactly how many casualties will come of it, whether it is collateral or there's a specific target, but they fully aware of it, and if they are fully aware of it, it it goes into an international law discussion in the use of force discussion is it proportionate, does the target justify the massacre, and in every single case that we have seen publicized, there hasn't been a justifiable reason. the only answer that we can find is that this is attempt to commit a massive genocide within razza, and the hope is to force the palestinians to turn against hamas, number one, and number two is to force them to voluntarily exit. ghazza to save their lives, that was also attempt to break the moral of the palestinian people to ensure that they remain subservient and lesser in terms of the israeli framework, and this is

not working. israel's failing on the ground militarily, it's failing economically, and it's failing on the global stage. is that a driving force right now? if they are failing to the point that they are, because we are hearing, especially in the past week or so clive menzias uh the defeats that the israel regime forces are experienced. accelerating towards a general state of breakdown and collapse of the financial system, society, institutions etc. and the 2008 financial crisis was indicative of that,

and then of course we've had all the wars. i think it's fair to say that for the last two years we we have been in the midst of a transition of a paradigm shift of millennial proportions, and it was inevitable. we were saying in 2021 that things are going to get very crazy, whether you're talking on the domestic home front, the financial front, or on the geopolitical front, and what we're seeing in israel is that craziness, and yes, the structure is beginning to fail, in the same way that nato failed to get its will in ukraine, israel and the forces behind it will fail to get their way. in in palestine, there will, but the problem is that in its death throws this ideology is its and structure is

its most dangerous, because it's developed huge capabilities, psychological, kinetic, physical damage, etc. across the whole spectrum of human experience, they have huge sophisticated arsenal at at their disposal. "they can't control me, but that's another question, um, but yes, if if one uses the analogy of attrapped wild animal, that's where we are, more and more people are waking up to the nature of the beast, are the structure driving the individuals, and this is not israel, this is the structure, israel is has two components, the structure of israel and the people of israel, and we should always discriminate between the two, yes." few hoots with the structure, but not all israelies are behind this. all right, thank you very much. unfortunately fresh out of time. zakar ahmed mayat, attorney,

activist and political analyst from johannesburg, thank you, and you were just listening to clav menzias, political economy analyst and researcher from london. thank you to you both. with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight from the team. it's goodbye. در کرمان این گونه سخنور است حال مالک اشتر علی او جدیت.

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