tv SPOTLIGHT PRESSTV January 22, 2024 10:02pm-10:30pm IRST
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hello and welcome to press tv spotlight and thanks so much for being with us, day 108th of and still no end in side to the israeli genocide on palestinians in gaza, but the regime has created quite a quagmire for itself as it has failed to meet any of its original stated goals for this onslot. resistance fighters have not been wiped out.
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nor have regime troops been able to release the captives, but instead have killed some of them themselves. anger is boiling over inside of the regime as relatives of the captives are blaming the netanyahu government for incompetetency in the regime's war on gaza and inside of gaza itself, the resistance is showing regime forces what it means to really fight for one's own land. we'd like to take a look at this on this spotlight and i like to welcome my guests to the program. anthony hall, professor of globalization, leth bridge university, out of leth bridge, and harley schlanger, spokesman for larusia organization out of germany. well, thank you both for being with me, starting it off uh with anthony, i mean, other than creating chaos with his massacres, what has the regime actually accomplished? from a military
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perspective in gaza pose if the objective is to depalestinize israel, they've managed to kill 30 thousand or so people uh with a large number to go, they're pushing them towards the rafa border with egypt, and it's no secret that the objective is to kill as many as palestinians as they can, and force deport. the survivors to other parts of the world, so in a way that if that is the agenda and it seems to be the agenda, that's quite a step into oblivion, guess, into the darkness, not a forward movement, but if if going by their official statements of what they're of trying to do, eradicate hamas, that's a ridiculous problem, hamas is... "yes, there
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is infrastructure, there are people in place, but it is movement, it is an ideology, it, and it's an ideology that has taken a global significance, and if anything hamas is" much more powerful entity now than it ever was in the past, because it's got the attention of lot of people and the appreciation of what, as you put it, martsi, the what it means to stand up for your own land and be resolute, so the hostages, it seems that they're putting the hostages in harm's way everywhere everyday this war continues, who's to say that they're not going according to the hannibal that? yahoo and company isn't going according to the hannibal doctrine, which is essentially saying these are liabilities, now these hostages, if they come back into israeli society, they can do all kinds of damage by talking about the truth of what in
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in in palestine that doesn't conform with the lies and characterizations that were given, so for starters they're they're not uh getting to any of their objectives, their objectives are slipping. way except their objective of of genocide and exterminating people on mass right? well hardly, mean killing babies, it's really not a difficult task, especially when the regime has dropped more bombs in gaza in three months than the us did in iraq in six years, so how could any military be proud of this? well, i think we're beginning to see within the idf a certain this... concern uh, not only that they're not meeting the objective, but the objective is unreasonable. there are several people who are in the idf who have been speaking out uh saying that there's no way, as anthony just said, there's no way to wipe out movement militarily, it's an idea, and in
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fact, the more genocide, the more killing, the more destruction, the more the opposition, they're convincing people they have no choice but to fight. "and i think that this is the classic example of what would seem to be an error on behalf of netanyahu and his far right crazies, the bengaviers and the smotrish and others, but i think there's an other side to it, i think what they're ultimately planning to do is to make sure this becomes a multifront war along the lines of something called the breakaway allies scenario which was drafted in the mid-90s by paul wolfowits and the warhawks in the united states who came up with the..."
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and you can never underestimate the factor of insanity when you're dealing with people like blincon and sullivan and victoria newland who operate on behalf of the imperial forces in the united states and nato, so i i agree, they're not meeting their objectives unless their objective is a wider war, on the one hand the genocide of the palestinian people, but on the other hand a wider war which brings the united states in as an active participant. what about that uh, anthony, they want a wider war that would bring the united states as a participant, and let's look at the united states right now, 2024, of course election year, um, however, it doesn't seem to uh stop uh the uh us regime from continually supporting uh this genocide, i
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mean your take on that side of things, do you think that the united states of course in in in every other way, except officially declaring it, they are very much involved in the... but how likely would it be that they would totally in the open say that they are sending troops? well the issue really comes down to iran, the islamic republic of iran, and for 30 years we've been hearing much, much noise from us politicians, sometimes at the presidential level certainly throat congress that taking on and destroying iran would be... wonderful thing for the peace of the world, given that iran is, they keep saying the biggest exporter of terrorism, the the concept would be for biden to somehow bring iran in, yes there is hezballah and
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there is the hooutis and such, but the core the matter has become iran, which has you know grown in stature and in international connections and in international credit. stability enormously in the last few years is closely allied with china and russia, so the the chances of somehow... getting his way, which is to somehow force the united states into attacking iran, because whoever fires first, they want it to be seen that iran is somehow responsible, and then they can fire back on iran, so this is the the the heart of the matter, and as i say, there are these new dimensions to it, there is the bricks, there is russia and china and all these confusing aspects to it, but seems to me that netanyahu is a man a mission, he's essentially insane,
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the idea that we're there, there's seems to be some impression in israel that you can just finish the war and then deal with netanyahu, no, you're going to have to deal with netanyahu in the midst of this war, i mean the idea that they talk about the next day as if it's just somehow going to all be cleaned up and then the israelis and americans will get together and decide everything, that is unrealistic, let's also be cle that there is no real faction in israel that is saying we want peace with the palestinians. there is a general feeling in the israeli population that they want the palestinians wiped out and this is something to behold, this is a tremendously offensive notion and there is nobody saying let's have two-state solution really in. enthusiastically uh, and although the world is saying it, the us is saying it, there's
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nobody responding within israel, there is intention to obliterate, to ethnically cleansed, to depopulate, to exterminate palestinians in israel, which is overwhelming and is, and is irrespective of whether netanyahu is impower or not, right? well, i mean, what you talked about basically describes setler colonialist? anthony and yeah the majority of them do not want to uh actually uh see the palestinians have their own state, but um hardly let's talk about though the division inside of the regime itself right now um we saw earlier um actually storming of the canessed we have seen um increased numbers and demonstrations uh we've talked to people that talked about the crackdown unbelievable crackdown um for people from academics to students to um people who are just tweeting inside of the regime who are against the continuation of
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this genocide in gaza, let's talk about that side of things, your perspective of of that? well, i think that we'll find out more about what opposition does exist within israel, as we see the acceleration of censorship. this is netanyahu is doing what any collapsing empire does, tries to intimidate the descent. including assassination, jailing, and so on, and so the fact that we're seeing a complete regime of censorship in israel, supposedly the great democracy of the middle east, is an indication of the extent to which they're fearful that there will be debate that will break out. i don't think it's very likely within israel itself, because too many people have given up the sense of of conscience and our... are willing, as as anthony was saying, to go along with this, because they have been so-called horrified by what happened, but
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part of what horrifies them is that it happened under netanyahu's watch, that he kept saying, you're safe, we're in control, and in fact that that wasn't the case, or it was false flag to do precisely what netanyahu is doing, and that's the danger of of acceleration of a multifront war, is the possibility of false flag. let me just... you, i've been in touch with some people, some contacts in in military circles who are saying that the us military is not interested in accelerating the fight beyond what they're doing in the red sea, because they know that the same reason there was opposition that ultimately grew up in the in the house and senate and the military to going in more directly in syria in 2014, 2016, they're aware that a us involvement now would be a catastrophe, that unless you're going to use nuclear weapons, which the united states is
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not going to do, netanyahu might, but the us won't, there's no easy option for us military intervention, so the only question is, will the american people and the people of europe wake up to the fact that we're seeing absolute insanity, and i i think it's worth noting that the south african legal case before the international court of justice, did catch the attention of significant sectors in europe, and especially there were demonstrations in in the united kingdom, in germany, the farmers who are driving tractors through the... streets of germany protesting the government are also protesting the government's uh support for israel in germany, so well let me just jump in here, you said something, i just want to expand on that, i mean how much power do you think that the people really have, if we're talking about on the ground in europe or in the united states, because you said if it's getting the attention of these people, i mean
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your assessment of the power of the people at this point in time in these countries. "well that's the issue. i mean, the the people have been essentially written off in the united states and europe for a long time. the politicians don't listen to them, they don't hear them. you the poll show that that more than 65%, almost two-thirds of the american people are not in support of expanding the war. biden's popularity is now below 30%, among democrats, it's in the 35% range, so the the problem."
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gets involved an escalation, it will likely put the united states and russia head to head, and that's one thing that the us military doesn't want. the us military is not as strong compared to russia as it once was. in fact, many people in the military are lamenting the fact that even with a trillion dollar annual defense budget, the us has no ammunition, it has no industrial base and and logistics in depth, so i think the idea of the us going into a bigger. support for netanyahu including sending troops is highly unlikely, but as i said earlier, never underestimate the factor of insanity when you're dealing with these kinds of collapses of empires. okay, indeed, collapsing of the empire, anthony is what, harley is saying, and and what we're seeing is very eratic entity, uh, what the regime is doing in gaza,
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no place is safe right now, not hospitals, not schools, nor is anyone safe. nor kids, nor doctors, no building is safe. um, the regime tells the people to go in certain safe areas and then on purpose bomb those particular areas, um, like what we saw today and last night in khan unis. mean, it is such an unbelievable situation and we're watching this entity and what it is doing, is it imploding as it's behaving like this, or is this the essence of the regime? uh was the best of times and the worst of times we're caught in this uh weird moment uh, as far as the spirit of popular mobilization and resistance, there's no doubt that the government of south africa in acting so decisively, so affirmatively, so intelligently, so boldly, walking into the
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situation and putting this on the front doorstep of the world court, and uh, backing it up with a brilliant presentation which was not, there was no real answering to it by israel, it was just sort of self-righteous indignation and uttering phrases like blood libel and whatnot. this i think is helping to stimulate like university students the world over, i'm sure are reading this 84 page document which is all over the place, you know we that irish lawyer who talked. about the extremity of the catastrophe in in gaza, that this is inspirational, and if the judges turn out to be just uh paid off uh flunkies and somehow find a way out of it and come up with a ruling that somehow avoids the central issue of is this or is not, is this or is this not genocide, that will be perceived, i
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mean that that isn't going to be taken lightly, so israel is is whether whatever they... do they've aroused something unlike they've ever seen before, and israel has become the paraya nation of the world, and that isn't going to be easily moved away from, and when netanyahu says, well, just give us until 2025 and we can, finish off the job, like this just adds to the public recognition that, the the system in charge is so corrupt, we've got to do something about it, the arab countries and the western countries, the people have to get together in some way, whether it involves throwing out the united nations, or maybe this will be the united nations, the moment that the united nations comes alive and we get a ruling. "and then we get into the whole issue, israel says, no, we don't want to apply it, we're not going to force it, and then we see what the world public is going to come up with, right? either way, we're definitely in these
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moments of major transitions, as you said, for example, the israeli regime now is the priya uh of the world, and and no matter what it does at this point in time, i don't think that it can ever take that stain off of it, um, hardly, osama." hamdan, one of the leaders of hamas uh, today said that uh, no one can break the will of the people of palestine, nor defeat the resistance, that we're seeing the real heroes on the ground day by day, and no matter what, the israeli regime has not been able to kick out the palestinians, though, of course, he also talked about the grave suffering that is taking place on the ground as over 1 million people are basically starving to... death at this point in time, i want to talk about that side of things and the resilience of the people, and also that still after more than three months of this genocide, we see the
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resistance still standing strong and still able to fire rockets into the zionist territories. well, what's really disturbing to the western establishment is that there's no giving up from the people. of palestine and this is inspiring college students in europe and the united states. i've addressed several meetings recently of college students, young people, of all religions, including jewish students who are appalled by what's being done to the palestinian people, the murder of babies, how does that fight terrorism? the point is that the western establishment has no credibility, no one believes blincon, look blincan says: at davos, he said, the whole world wants us involved, that's a complete lie, most of the world would like to see the united states crawl away with its tail between its leg and
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stay out of these things, so the the lack of credibility, and at the same time, the emergence of beginning sense of empathy for the palestinian people is something that's hasn't been there before in the united states and among students in western europe, that's why they're trying to crush it, that's... why they're trying to kick people out of universities and shut down organizations, but it's not going to work because social media has been able to get enough of these pictures the devastation in gaza that pricks the conscience of young people the world over, so the the problem is with the lack of credibility of the the establishment, how long can they continue these wars, i mean we see the same thing with ukraine, the united states play this uh... zelinski card at davos and zelinski said everyone wants us to win, no they don't, people would like to see him leave. the day of corrupt oligarchy in the west is coming to an end, the only question
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is, will we be able to stop it before they destroy what's left of the human race? well, perhaps our hope and actually in the young people who seem to be waking up all around the world. thank you both for being with me. anthony hall, professor of globalization, leth bridge university. out of left bridge and harley schlanger smokes from la russia organization out of postam germany and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight and marzia hash and we hope to see you right here next time thanks for being with us goodbye.
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other than their own under decades old occupation of palestinian lands and their aggression. it wasn't the first time israeli sought to put gag on the alternative narrative, and every time it has failed. watch the history of the israely measures and palestinian counter measures in this documentary. depressed coverage of this assassination of sulaymani now entering its uh fourth day.
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