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negara yang pelit dengan rakyatnya. of hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us, tragedy after tragedy, war crime after war crime and the genocide continues. this is of of the description of what has been happening in gaza since october the 7th. the israeli regime continues trying to raise the bar on just how much it can torture palestinians. the majority of the population of gaza has...

in this place, some of them many times as they were told to leave the north and head towards the middle and then to the south, and now as people have gone as far south as they can go, which is rafah, the sadistic israel of regime is threatening a ground invasion where almost a million and a half people are located and most of them in tents are in other temporary locations, so we're going to take a look at the latest of this genocide in gaza on this spotlight. i like to welcome i guess to the program. professor of political science and azhar university doha, and paul ru, the co-founder of free palestine movement out of berkeley. thank you both for being with us. i'd like to start us off in doha. your thoughts on what this really regime is.

trying to do, trying to accomplish at this point in time in your perspective? well, many thanks marza for coming me in in your program, to be honest with you as a palestinian and and also as a palestinian who lived the the the israeli war against gaza at the beginning of it, it seems to me that israel has gone crazy, the israeli leadership, the israeli army, the israel regime as a whole, the they've lost their mind, what they are doing against the palestinian people is beyond imagination, the magnitude of killing, the destruction going after palestinian children, women, civilians, destroying hospitals, clinics and and schools and universities, nothing has very much escaped the israeli killing and the israeli destruction, and now they are... preparing

the ground to go into rafah where they very much have pushed 1.4 million palestinians from the north of gaza and also the central refugee camps. of of the gaza strip into the the south city of rafah and as we have heard yesterday that natanahu gave the orders to the israeli army to prepare for the in ground invasion of rafah where as i mentioned there is 1.4 million palestinians in tents mostly them are living in tents with with with little food with little portable water and that's that's gonna be the the mother of all tr. that's going to be the mother of of all palestinian nakbas if the israeli army goes into rafah with this large population in a very small piece of territory which is 62 square kilometers, that is the territory of rafah and usually rafah is house of is

housing roughly 300, 35000 palestinian, but now there is 1.4 million palestinians there, it seems to me that... "israel is trying to make one thing, punish the palestinians collectively, that's what israel has been doing for the past four month going after the not not, they're going after hamas, but they are not going only after ham, they're going after the palestinian people in the gaza strip that is collective punishment, that that is that is genocide against the palestinian, stay with me, let me get paul in on this uh conversations, discussion and..." none of the goals that the regime announced in the beginning for going into gaza has been met, paul zinius forces have not destroyed hamas nor have they been able to free any of the captives, but of course they have been successful in killing many kids, infants, women and in general civilians, and they have destroyed much of the infrastructure. your

take, were these the actual goals to begin with? um, i think that's the main goal, i think they... intended to use the hamas action to liberate palestine, i think they intended to use that as a pretext for another nakba, another genocide, their objective is less about getting rid of hamas because they know that they can't, and and because they know that if you get rid of hamas, which is impossible, you you simply have another... resistance movement replacing it. i mean, the palestinians, no people is ever going to give up their liberty and their and accept the the the kind of prisoner relationship with with

israel that that israel was demanding, and in fact israel doesn't care about a prisoner relationship, from the beginning since 1897, you could even say... '95 the objective of israel has been to eliminate the palestinians and so they're using this as a way to achieve that, i think their objective is not to punish palestinians, it is to eliminate palestinians, that is the entire the beginning and the end of of their objective in gaza and the rest of b'. well, muhammad, palestinians not only have to deal with the bombings and targeted sniper killings and relocation and starvation, but there's also another aspect, which is the psychological torture. the regime is constantly flying drones overhead with a constant humming sound

to let everyone know that they are there and and can be killed any moment. i want to talk about that side of things and in your perspective, why is this regime so inhumane? i have mother who is in rafah, i have brothers and sisters and nephews and nieces and many relatives who are raf and i talk to them every every now and then to try to make sure that they are okay and they are fine, it's not only the bombing and the pounding of the gaza strip, in addition to that, the starvation, israel is not is allowing only very limited amount of food and and water for the palestinians, lack of medical supplies. it's the cold weather that also is killing and and making palestinian children sick as a result of the the very cold weather that that they the the palestinian people are facing in rafah with no homes living in tens and it seems to me that it it's all of that in

addition to all of that yes the palestinian people cannot escape israeli snipers and not only in rafah but all over the gaza strip there are israeli. snipers in the north in gaza city in in in unis where very much they shoot anything that moves. we have seen over the past few days that israeli army. snipers the israeli army killed palestinians in in in gaza city around the shifa hospital, they killed the palestinians in janunis around the alamal hospital which is in kanunis and nasir hospital where there are hundreds if not thousands of palestinians displaced went to these hospitals seeking protection seeking safe places but there is no safe place unfortunately. in gaza, so it it's just it's a atrocity after atrocity and the number is

rising, we're talking about now almost more than 100 thousand palestinians are either dead missing or wonded wonded as a result of this israeli massacre against the palestinians, we're talking roughly about 4% the palestinians in gaza are affected, as i mentioned did injured. or missing as a result of what's going on and unfortunately, unfortunately all of this is happening under the watch of the international community, yes i want to get stay with me, i want to actually stay with me muhammad buse i want to touch on that aspect of it uh a little bit, well paul as you heard about the uh ground invasion that netanyahu is calling for rafa and as much had said you're talking about a population that before was about 280,000, now 1.4 million as netanyahu was telling them to

leave. i mean, where these people supposed to go, what are they supposed to do? as far as israel concerned, they don't have to go anywhere, they can be killed right where they are, they can be exterminated, and in fact, i think the the the count that we are hearing from the ministry of health in in gaza is, a gross underestimate of of the dead and wounded uh right now uh palestinians are dying without being counted, they are starving to death, they are dying of disease because of the cold and because of the bad water and uh because of the lack of uh sewage services and uh the the filth and the and they're dying from exposure, because they don't even have, we call them tents, but they're not really tents, the they're just

scraps of material that have been used to create tents, and they they're dying from all these things and the ministry of health is not really counting them, nor can they count them after all, if if family member is extremely ill and dying, are palestinians going to take them to hospital that doesn't exist? that is doesn't have services to offer them, no, they die anonymously in the middle of nowhere, and they get buried on the side the road, wherever, wherever family members and volunteers from the community can bury them, there are mass graves all over gaza now, in in all sorts of places, i, i, i think the statistics are are gross underestimate. and that this problem will increase lot, the only way we'll know how many uh people in

gaza have died and from from various israeli inducements to death through cutting off resources and letting them die of starvation and and disease, is by waiting until the end of this and then counting the population afterwards and comparing it to what it was before october 7, that's the only way we'll ever find out, and i think the result is going to be uh terrifying, it'll be hard, it it already is horrifying, so yeah, one can only imagine it getting any worse, now with netanyahu openly announcing his intention for the regime to invade rafa, you mentioned the international community, let's talk about that side of the things, he has said his intention, we know that 1.4 million people are basically trapped in this area without any protection um and yet basically the

regime has been given the green light by the us and its accomplices along with the un to kill, to torture, to mame, until basically it seems that there's no palestinian left, your your take on this so-called international community at this point in time, well first of all marzilla, let me say that maybe what netanyahu is trying to do now by the... preparing the ground to invade rafah is trying to put pressure on the palestinian resistance to give up its conditions with regard to the so-called prisoner exchange deal with israel. and with regard to the conditions that put forward by hamas, but if i guess if if that military pressure doesn't work, then at the end of the day there is nothing going to prevent netanyahu from invading rafaah, because he has already invaded, let's say more than 80% of of the gaza strip, the north, the central area of

gaza, khan unis is now under heavy israeli pounding and bombardment, now going back to... question, it's it's just so sad that all of this is happening under the watch of the international community and the only thing that we hear from the un, from israel, from the eu that they are worried about israeli plans to invade rafa, they are worried about the number of palestinians who are being killed, that that's what we hear, unfortunately this is not enough, i mean if it if it, i mean we've seen how the un, how how the us and and you have dealt with other countries who invaded their neighbors, mainly i'm talking about russia, nothing is compared when it comes to what what israel is doing against the palestinians and by the way, the number of palestinian who have been killed, especially palestinian children is is like way many times than the number of ukrainian children who have been killed in two years

for example, but but but the international community meaning the us, eu and... countries have boycotted russia and put like number of of of economic and financial sanctions, but none of that has happened and and just to say that the international community is worried, that's not enough, that's not helping the palestinians, that not, that isn't protecting the palestinians from the genocide that is taking place in the gaza strip, and i i wish really we we really see some serious steps taken to prevent israel to put enough... pressure and israel to stop the genocide against the palestinian people in gaza. well, paul, whole families have been wiped out, infants haven't been spared, and the injured in hospitals have received no mercy, nor have the doctors from the israeli forces, which have targeted all, young and old. i mean, what does it take to call what we're seeing a genocide by the so-called international

community? i mean, what does it call, what does it take to call out all of these war crimes by that? same so-called international community. there's an american writer by the name of uptinson claire who was a fighter for the poor and disenfranchised at the opening the 20th century and he said um, it's it's nearly impossible to make a man understand something that he's paid not to understand, and that's the case with the international. community today, the international community is being paid by the united states in effect, not to understand what is happening there, not to pronounce the word genocide, not, not to condemn israel, it's it's all matter of coersion by very racist and aggressive

international policy from the united states leading the west. this is what's happening here. i don't think that hamas is going to change anything because of the genocide be that israel is perpetrating on the palestinians, because they know that the israel's intention, whether they compromise or don't compromise is still going to be genocide, and so what is what's the good reason for doing that? further more, the... genocide that israel is practicing is driving palestinian young men to to be fighters with hamas, hamas is getting stronger as as time goes on, and israel is is really a basket case, they're economically they're falling apart and and they're losing soldiers that

they that is very difficult for for israel, which... you know they they they can't stand to lose soldiers, they they can't have to have stand to have captives in the hands of hamas and the and the palestinian resistance, so and a half million israelies have already left the country and we know that they that they have they're living with 300 thousand refugees from the north of occupied palestine to the south, so it's... businesses are failing in, despite the money that the united states is pouring into into israel, they they ' all of this, i think, you know, if i had to um, put my money on an outcome of of what's happening there, i, i put it on on hamas and

the resistance, i think they are winning this, right? well, mohammed, interesting what paul said, he puts it on the resistance, because i mean, basically we see what is happening to the israeli regime, that it is coming apart at the scene, but at the same time it continues to create... so many different tragedies inside of the gosa strip, we saw the body of six-year-old hend, the little girl who was missing for two weeks after calling the emergency number to report her father being targeted in their car and and it was found the emergency unit which was looking um for her was also targeted and the vehicle they found was just mangled iron steel with no one surviving, i mean there's so many stories, so many tragedies that just one of the... um would be enough usually for a so-called uh civilized international community to call this regime out, what has,

what else has to happen to stop the sadistic regime and call it out for the holocaust that it is committing? you know, it it's good that you brought up the issue of hind and her family and and you know what, the the the the the sad thing is that the palestinian rid crecent went to save hind, they went with coordination, there was supposed to be a coordination between the the the the red cross who coordinated for the palestinian red cross with the israeli army to go and save save hind, and unfortunately hind was missing for many days and the palestinian rid cresant who went to save her were also were missing and we just..." and you about it today that that hind is dead with all of her family members and the palestinian rid present workers who went to save her also did, it's

just it seems to me that israel has crushed all line all lines, nothing is stopping israel from committing such such crimes which which which again happening under the watch the international community and and i guess even even the the measures which the icj, the international court of justice has asked israel to do about two weeks ago, israel has not implemented those measures, israel is, i don't even know whether israel is going to report to icj a month after after the these measure measures were supposed to be in place, it seems to me with the with the impunity that has been provided to israel. by by very much the us and and many western countries, israel believe that it has the right to do whatever it once against the palestinian people, and it feels that it can

escape punishment, it can, it, it feels that it has the impunity to do what it wants under the the pritics that the 7th of october supposedly was carried out and inside israeli territory and that killed 1200 israelis and took 240 israeli hostages and and the israeli reaction which even even president biden the us president said yesterday that the israeli retaliation against the palestinian has even gone before way i mean more than more than anyone has ever imagined so even even the us started to speak out against this israeli disproportionate use of... okay, well let me get paul in here, so sorry, i'm just about out of time, paul, um, do you think that we're witnessing the collapse of the whole liberal system, as their hypocrisy has been

exposed to the whole world, and they're refusing to stop this genocide, how do you see it? uh, i think this is correct, and it's not due just to the genocide in gaza, but also they're losing on every front, you can imagine, uh, ukraine in europe. is is another front on which uh the so-called liberal democracies of the of the west are are floundering uh the world is changing and and unfortunately it's very painful to watch it changing, it's not changing in in a uh cooperative way we we could say the uh the old order is of colonialism and western domination and uh a uh bipolar or uh unipolar world is uh is is is dying and uh that's will

first be projected to other peoples like the palestinians and the ukrainians and and others. this is, this is very sad to see, but unfortunately, it's it's necessary for the birth of new world, which we hopefully, at least our our children will see, my children anyway. and on that note, thank you both for being with us here on the spotlight at press tv. the professor of political science azha university doha and paul rudi, co-founder of free palestine movement, out of berkeley, and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, signing out for myself and all the crew right here in tehron, hope to see you right here next time, goodbye.

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