what are your fears about what happens in gaza now, what is allowed to happen in gaza because of that failed resolution that failed veto attempt? it's extremely alarming actually that with the superpower of the time is allowing israel to carry out with the genocide and it's really giving license for the total aniliation of the people in gaza. what we have in front of us really is united states of america and britain to a certain extent, providing that cover for israel to continue with the ethnic cleansing and the genocide in gaza, i mean we've already had hundreds of pages of evidence in front of the icj in which it is categorically stated with evidence what israel is carrying out and the fact that these two powerful countries in the world now is obstructing for a cease fire means that they are complicit in the genes.

the palestinians, but it's also shows that not the killing of the palestinians while it be doing by the israelis physically, it's being supported by america and britain. i want to stay with you there, dr. patel, because there has been talk about if there's a further escalation inside raffa, if there's a further catastrophe, that it could be a red line for some countries who have so far kept their opposition to to words. you know, i am slightly pessimistic about this. unfortunately we have seen in the past where countries have remained on the sideline, they have provided with words, but haven't come forward with the support, and so far, i mean we've had 30,000 people killed, over 1.2 million people are displaced, 400 thousand homes have been destroyed, so where? these

countries that are saying there is going to be a certain red line, we cannot wait for these countries to come to the support of the palestinians at their 11th hour, they should have been there before, and the fact that they're not there means that the civil society really needs to update game, it has to continue pressurizing the government and only the people will hopefully be able to change certain governments, but i have very little hope in any government around the world to... come for a direct aid of the palestinians. dr. patel, there alex mentioned people power so far and you know keeping that pressure on for civil society. how do you see it? you think it makes a difference? i think um, obviously the protest across the globe is of a strong message sent by communities to show the support to the palestinian people, and especially um like to also point out. that

the south african state has taken a big step because um historically um south africa knows what suffering is about the people of africa have been through and when they look at their own story and what is happening in gaza they identify and they understand the the bitterness with feelings and the destructions the palestinian people are going through so this steps taken by the south african country states to take israel to to take this case to a court is a good step because um but alex that there have been so many other african nations that have not followed suit that must be disappointed you see politics today and even in different part of the globe people have not all leaders are leaders you know mandela showed the way and since mandela

past, we look at in africa, people still behave like and not leaders and we see across west africa, across eastern africa, so south africa is a strong country with strong leaders and mandela has shown the path, indeed, and what a path it is, stay, stay on that topic for me, alex, i'm going to come back to that, because as we mentioned at the top of the program that it was the united states on tuesday who vetoed and arabacked and widely supported un resolution demanding immediate humanitarian sease fire in the israel genocide on gaza. now washington said that it would interfere with negotiations a deal to free the captives in israel if they'd back that resolution. the vote in the 15 member security council was 13 to one with the united kingdom abstaining, reflecting the strong support from countries around the globe for. the more than four- month onslot,

let's listen into some of the reaction to that resolution vote. today every palestinian is a target. for death, extermination and genocide, we should ask ourselves, how many innocent lives must be sacrificed before the council deems it necessary to call for a cease fire. this was yet again written by the united states delegation, the us delegation, which continues to pursue the same objective to provide cover for its closest middle east ally and to drag out time to the greatest possible extent for them to be able to carry out their inhumane plans against gaza, specifically to expell the palestinians from the strip and to completely cleanse the strip essentially and quite literally transforming it into uninhabitable territory. the veto of

this draft resolution is not only regretable after weeks of consultations with every single council member. "and after endless patience by the state of palestine, the arab states and nearly the entire international community that for months have demanded a ceasefire. it is absolutely reckless and dangerous against again shielding israel, even as it commits the most shocking crimes. now there was global reaction and..." i say revoltion to the us position with even china waiting in. dr. patel, are the americans simply buying israel time to quote, finish the job? unfortunately it sounds like that, and one of the senator in america has said that this is the final solution. it might be

a frodian sleep, but i think that is sentiment of many american politicians who trying to bolster israel and make sure that they conquer everything between the river and the sea. "and we are really concerned at this hour of course with the humanitarian catastrophe that is unfolding there and what we can do to pressurize both israel and america and to a certain extent britain as well to bring about that change, but there is no doubt in my mind at this this particular time that america is fullheartedly behind israel and wants israel to do whatever it wants. now it would be remiss of me dr. patel, not to mention of course..." the sterling work that you do as a part of friends of alaxa, those national demos and so on. do you think first of all that that's contributed to not just the uk abstaining, but that important you turn from the labour party with david lamy coming out this morning, he of course the shadow home

secretary, saying that the labor position has changed because the situation in gaza evolved, i mean it only took 30,000 plus martered palestinians right? absolutely, i mean the force and pressure comes from different sides and different angles and everything helps, but i think the civil society up rising in britain, which we are part of, have been significant, i mean the fact that over the past five months, nearly five months now, we've had nine national demonstrations in london and they have not win, more and more people are coming out and they concern about the people of palestine and they want justice and peace, and that enthusiasm is... like if that courage and solidarity by the british public has been pivotal in changing the position of the british labour party and it shift now away from supporting an open genocide, however it's very late for me and also the new amendments that trying to put through in

parliament are really not far going far enough in trying to bring about immediate this fire. the fact that they're talking about humanitarian sefy is really aware of trying to... legal away from demanding israel to immediately stop the onslot on the palestinians. there is vote happening uh wednesday here in london, alex, and finally the labor party. um, they haven't indicated whether or not they're going to vote for the amendment or rather it be um an abstention that they want. it was supposed to be the party of opposition, but they fell in line very quickly with the conservatives. just give me a fe'. feel of what that was like, realizing that there is no viable opposition here. it's um sad for some people, it's warring from overs, because obviously what we are witnessing which is happening right now,

we just as human being we see the atrocities, so when people try to delay any action which need to be taken, it's is just... i don't, i'm just beyond, it's just beyond belief. yesterday, the prince of wales came out, he said there's a need for a cease fire in in gaza, because too many people. have been killed, so these are leaders, these are people have families who understand that every human being, whether it's in england or america or in gaza or anywhere, but we are all human beings and it's like is hidden everybody seeing what is happening, and we don't really comprehend why this attitude, which is still really... almost but we know alex that's speaking of for palestine in the past it's caused people their jobs and career

the there've been people very very afraid of saying anything right now even at this point but this is the what we are living in because people are controlled you know by businesses by the job by the and they don't want to risk anything because just by opening up your mouth you can be exposed to sanctions or you can be exposed to even threat or over things, so you have to have some certain courage as person or as a leader or as whoever you are, to come out and just see things as they should be, because we are talking about the world is progressing or the world is moving forward, but if within 24st century people can still, mean why the un was created you know to... stop all these atrocity within our humanity and still today after 70 years of

human um unb in place look at what's happening and still at the un we cannot even have a resolution because one country is against it and has the right to block so he brings into into into into into account the reform of the un itself that's a really interesting point alex. just a reminder if you just joined us that this is of course gaza attack where we take a deep dive into some of the talking points surrounding the ongoing us-israeli genocidal war on gaza's captive population. palestinians seeking refuge in southern gaza formed quees outside bakeries and lined up to buy food items emits a shortage of supplies. more than half of the gaza strip's population 2.3 million have sought refuge from the israeli offensive in the southern city of raffa, large crowds,

some standing for hours anxiously waited for their turn to buy bread. fatin al-bitar who was displaced from sheikh radan in the north the palestinan enclave said she only got two packets of bread for the 23 people or so in her tent. we are getting a bundle of bread or two. "there are almost 23 people in my tent, so i get a bundle, then i come back in the afternoon for another, wood for burning is not always available, and when it is available, i'm not able to buy it. the situation is difficult and of course, not just for me, but for everyone here and the displaced. carrying on the conversation with my guest alex acaman and dr. ismael patel in the short time that we have left. alex, i saw you shaky." your head there when this mother was describing the situation? mean it's um,

as i said, this, it's what we're going through, mean during world war second or first world war, we didn't have images, we didn't have pictures, and despite the you know the grief, people came out and say, okay, the word shouldn't be going through such atrocity, such atrocities, but but 70 years down the line, what is happening in gaza right now, there's no difference between what has happened, which made people to create the un, and what's happening, and it's like, no, we don't want, we don't, it's just discussful, and um, it's true that we still need to carry on with what we are doing, the people across the globe need to protest, to continue to protest, and we will get to that to that solution to get solution, because the

bottom line we need to have two state solution so that palestinian can also defend themselves, they can also protect themselves and they can also plan like any normal society, life, yeah, life can't go on like this, yeah uh, we talk sometimes dr. patel often here of those who have been martered and those who are living with catastrophic in... but we saw from that earlier clip there that for those who are surviving who are not physically hurt at the moment that life is really a form of hell at the moment, how how are you? assessing this moment in our history, dr. patel, with great despondence yamafred and the sorrow that humanity has lowered itself as this level as alex has very eloquently put it forward, remember rafa is now the biggest refugee camp in the world nearly two million people, israel is using starvation as means of killing the people in

gaza in particularly the north of gaza where there is not even a little bit of bread going through, i mean we've seen a lady here with at least a bundle of bread, but in north gaza there's absolutely nothing. people are dying of hunger and thirst in the 21st century, and i think to allow this to happen in our lifetime, i think makes a lot of people sad, concerned and are questioning their own ability and the ability of their state and their leadership as to how this can happen, and we need to really make sure that these does not manifest and doesn't get wider in the region and we try and save as many lives as possible by bringing sense to our politicians and political leaders and therefore it is imperative that people continue with their boycotting, their sanctioning, the lobbing of the politicians, the media as well and also demonstrating, and it is only the people i believe will be about

to bring about a change because there is very little hope in our leadership at the moment, with britain we are in a specific position in particularly with this year being the election year and we can bring about a greater change i hope in the political structure in britain by demanding that those who do not vote for immediate should not be getting our vote and those who do not respect international law in the icj should not be in a position to make laws for us essentially dr. patel and and briefly here. politicians should not forget the part they played here, we shouldn't just have business as usual in the next elections, absolutely, and i think people won't forget this time, because they have taken for a right to for too many times, i mean we've been bitten through the same hole once already during the war in iraq and afghanistan, now it's the same thing happening to us again, and you know we, alex

was asking question, how is it possible for humanity to do this, but let's remind ourselves that it was the europeans in particularly who carried out slavery and justified it and promoted it, they carried out colonialism around the world and colonized millions and millions of people, and they are the same powers today who are trying to undermine, subjugate and dehumanize the palestinians so they can be colonized and ethnically cleansed, so this is a cycle that's repeating itself, of course the only thing that is changing is the victim, the victimizers are still the same and we need to change that. that is wonderful path with which we leave things, alex accaman and dr. ismael patel, thank you for your time with us and of course thank you for watching, join us again tomorrow for more, until then continue to keep palestine in your hearts.