i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine declassified twice a week we're the only tv show that's dedicated to investigating and exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with illegally occupied people of palestine. in the first part of today's show we'll be taking a look at the us presidential race and what it might mean in terms of the united

states future policy towards palestine and of israel. in the second part, we'll be evaluating the outcome of the british general election and whether it's likely to affect of the uk's relationship with a sinist entity. but first, the main contenders for the us presidency, joe biden and donald trump, are vying with each other over their support for israel, andra has been looking at the pair, of what the pair had to say about palestine and israel in their first televised presidential debate. the first televised us presidential debate this. between president joe biden and former president donald trump wouldn't have been complete without discussing the issue of palestine, however, despite tens of thousands of palestinians having been killed by the us funded zionist onslot onraz since the 7th of of october last year, the subject was only briefly discussed and both candidates reaffirmed us support for israel. president biden pined the blame for the ongoing genocide palestinians on hamas, saying that the group should be eliminated. and that they

cannot continue while at the same time proposing fire deal with hamas. this contradiction was one of many indicates that the current us president's cognitive health is in decline with widespread speculation of that he may have dementia. president biden also boasts that the us had saved israel in the aftermath of the 7th of october and spoke about the huge support that his regime had given to the zionist ent. he was, however, attacked. by donald trump who said that israel should keep going until they, as he put it, finish the job. trump also used the palestinian as a slur, saying that biden has become like very bad palestinian. trump's anti-palestinian racism and fanatical support for zionism is well-known. only recently he promised to a small group of predominantly jewish donors. he would crack down on pro-palestine protests on us college campuses of if he were to win the next presidential

election. trump also admitted that israel was losing the pr war with its ongoing genocide in gazza, but said that the zionists had to finish. what they started? national polling within the united states shows that both biden and trump are widely disliked, although most voters prefer trump, indicating that we could see the former us president return to the white house next january. trump described himself as the best friend that israel has ever had, and during his previous administration he proposed an absurd so-called peace plan for palestine, which was led by his son-in-law, jared krishna. the plan. man involved parcelling up internationally recognized palestinian borders, which would have secured even further zinanist annexation of palestinian land. trump also forged a close relationship with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu during that time. although the relationship between the pair has reportedly

soured since then after netanyahu praised biden for winning the election in 2020. whatever the outcome of the next u.s. presidential election, it is clear that the us policy on palestine is not going to get better and could get much worse. joining me in the studio, as usual is our resident expert and eminent scholarly critic of israel, david miller. david's a senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs, istanbul zaham university and he's a co-director of lobbing watch dog spinwatch. our guest contributor today is karim ali. karim is an activist who coordinates with pro-palestine groups to develop innovative ways to campaign in the legal, political and creative spaces. welcome to the show. so karem, is it surprising to you that the issue of palestine only featured for a couple of minutes on the debate stage? no, not at all, because most presidential candidates wouldn't even be able to point to palestine a map, they have no idea of the nuances uh involved, the history of the

conflict uh or the history of the occupation that rather they fall in line uh that the apac has suggested for them and they follow that. thought process uh despite the inclinations of biden towards peace uh through his verbiage uh it's clear however through the billions of dollars in funding and training uh provided to the science regime not just from the biden presidency but before that even obama bush before him that we can even go back to bush senior and even way beyond to perhaps we see the deep deep intrinsic connection and satellite state state. that designist regime enjoys in the middle east at the beheest of the american imperial empire. david, on the one hand, biden spoke about proposals for a cease fire, but he also said that hammus should be eliminated. i mean, what's he talking about? well, the difficulty with anything that joe

biden says is that you never know quite what's going on, you never his illness, is his advancing senility, whatever is the cause of his inability to function as an... an ordinary human being, but on the other other hand, obviously this is a contradiction, mean the the the whole idea of a peace settlement is the leaves uh the military forces of uh custom brigades of hamas and of pij and the other six or seven other factions intact and you have a settlement where there's a host release on both sides and of course that means the failure of the warings of design is which is to destroy him us so you can't you can't have both the things at the same time but hand and third way of looking it is to say, look, designers are not sensible and they're not really trying to get a proper sess far because they've got the pressure on them from the right, so he's probably just expressing the actually underlying sentiments the zionists, yes, yes, well ken, why do you

think the seasfire efforts from the united states have have been a complete failure up until now? because there is no seasfire that is being promised by the us, these are empty words of rhetoric that are offered to his base to biden's base and also as sound vice offer to left leaning liberal media who are satisfied with the with just the lip service the seasfire. the us has no real way of punishing or recommanding the zionist regime or even forcing it to deescalate its uh it's offensive, it continues to give money and arms, it continues to be swayed by the science lobby in the us and... and the only thing that biden is clear on is what his red lines are, although it has to be shown to be a complete falsehood as biden is probably color blind by this because he can't even recognize the red lines that he's painting. well david, um, trump called biden a bad

palestinian, and uh, nobody pushed back again sights. i mean, what do you think that says about public discourse in the united states? well, i mean, public discourse in the us, just like it is in in the uk, is fundamentally. deeply deeply racist and of course the the idea of bad palestinian like it's like a bad m isn't it? people i don't think of heard the phrase bad palestinian but that's you know sort of joined in infamy in the rights demonology. the idea of the bad muslims, so yeah, i mean, they're not going to push back, because no one recognizes anti-palestinian racism as a form of racism even, i mean, just about islamophobia, but hardly anyone in the mainstream recognizes antipalistin racism, they simply can't see it, no, indeed, well, karen, current pollings donald trump's going to be elected as the next us president in november, how do you think that that would affect us policy on palestine? donald trump will have much stronger position in this... in this regard, he is ardent zionist, he is surrounded by zionists, jared krishna, one of his family

members, not by blood, is also ardent zionist and one of his key advisors, in fact he was the primary author, architect if you like, of the abraham accords. donald trump is not interested in the day-to-date running of the united states imperial empire, and will rather give off such responsibilities to advisers around him, that he's will no doubt fill with fanatical zionists, this is true for every us president when barack obama filled in the shoes of george bush jr. there was still dennis ross, there was still zizinski, there was still robert gates and this goes to show that whichever face there is of the us imperial empire, the aims, the objectives, the goals of that empire remain the same, but david, i mean trump doesn't seem to get along with. netanyahu does he, i mean, do you think that could mark a shift in

the sort of dynamic at all? well, i mean, the the big hope of the people on the right to support trump who are kind of antisignist is that he will be uh isolationist, he will do the make america great again, that he will dump the israelis of course that's not going to happen, didn't happen last time, what happened this time, but it's not about whether he likes netanyahu or not, i mean he doesn't, i mean bryden doesn't like netanjahu, but they still of course do what say, i don't suppose. "there's many people, perhaps trump's an exception in the us elite who think that ben gavier is nice chap either, but you they're going what they're going to do is they're going to go along because that's their their commitment is to go along with the zionists and so they they have different sorts of politics on this, but it's very clear that trump whatever his isolationist sort of uh pronouncements will go along and will be be ultra zionist in his uh governance and the zionist lobby of course in the states are very influential aren't they you with ap and the like and indeed trump sort of plays doesn't he to that." to that zionist sort of a cohort in the elector, well on one hand yes of course inforces uh on

on candidates for for congress um that they should be pro and that anyone who's not pro israel will organize against them and they threaten they intimidate and they call and that's very effective but of course the the israel lobby as it's called is something which is much more effective than people realize because it's not just apac there are perhaps six or seven billion dollars year being spent by the lobby and of course they're all seated through. the defense and the security establishment, which means that they have additional people inside the the administration and inside the civil service the us, you can take decisions which are prozionis when they're approached by by zionist lobbis sure. well, we're going to move to our next report which examines how the issue of palestine affected the outcome the british general election. the uk general election on july the 4th marked the end of 14 years of conservative party rule, and a super majority in parliament for sir. labor party, but the huge increase in labor seats did not correspond with major increase in the labor

vote with hundreds of thousands of voters preferring pro- palestine candidates, standing either's independence or with smaller political parties. the labour party on the starmer's rule has seen a perd of pro- palestine activists and officials and an overwhelming support for israel and its state ideology of zionism. for decades, muslims have in strong backers of the labor party, but for many in the uk's muslim community, the support that labor showed for israel after the 7th of october last year, was the final straw. there were calls in many quarters to build a political movement that could damage labor and raised the issue of palestine. however, the former prime minister shinak surprised everyone by calling an election sooner than expected. the campaign against labor was disorganized and in some cases mult. all pro-palestine candidates stood for the same seat, splitting the vote and handing labor victories, but the efforts

were not all in vain. a record breaking number of independents in minor party candidates were elected in numbers that are higher than in any previous general election. the five independent candidates who were elected in formally labor seats all stood on pro- palestine tickets. the biggest scalp of the night was labor's shadow work and pension secretary jonathan ashwer who lost to shock at adam by 979 votes, the former labor leader jeremy corbin, who was expelled from labor, also won his seat back with nearly 50% of the vote. the labor vote was down average by 23 points in seats where 20% or more of the population identify as muslim and in other seats pro palestine candidates came a close second in ilford north the current health secretary was treating only one by 528 votes against palestinian activist lean mohamed. in

his first few days in office starma has attempted to shore up his fragile position. in a phone call with benjamin netanyahu he urged. for sefy in gaza and said that palestinians had undeniable right to statehood, but britain continues to supply the zinest regime with arms and new prime minister intends to delay recognition of palestine to maintain relations with united states. despite gaining a large majority, starmer's electoral standing is weak and much of that is because of the pro-palestine vote in britain. it's not yet clear whether his superficial signals against design offensive will be enough. to hoodwink labor's former support base to return to the party. karim, this was the win for kier starmer that it's been made out to be, was it? actually, if you look at the voting statistics, jeremy corbin, one more the popular vote in 2017 and 2019, he k star, only one, or rather shall i say,

sir kid starver, only one so many seats because of huge collapse in the concert. party vote, he benefited from that, so did the liberal democrats, it's a very weak foundation for majority government, and it means he'll be very vulnerable in future by elections, local council elections and also perhaps the next general election, the issue of palestine will continue to haunt him if it isn't causing him issues at night already, and if it isn't then surely the protesters outside downing street that are there a weekly or monthly basis will certainly remind him of the case. david, to what extent do you think the the issue of palestine cause labor's vote across the country to fall so much? mean compared to 2017 the vote was over 3 million lower and compared to 2019 it was over 600 thousand votes lower and 2019 we were told was the worst result in labor system certainly since 1935 anyway yet it's

being paraded as this this this wonderful triumph for what's what's going on do you think well mean clearly the uh the the reputation of the star party a number of different policies is not good um and so that will be have affected the the enthusiasm of people to go out and vote and clearly also the votes for reform uh to the right of the conservative party will have taken votes from the tories and given them uh labor more seats but obviously the the whole question of gaza and palestine was extremely uh influential in the election we saw the the five seats one by the independence and if they hadn't been split votes in in the other constituency. it would probably have been about 10 uh mps and and that's an indication uh also let's remember the greens uh who uh increased their their share of the vote and uh went from one to four seats again to a large extent that's a pro- palestine uh protest for even although the greens have questionable policies on the question so this is a very significant shock across the boss it's never happened before

that you've had five independents so it's a very very significant breach in the the way the... pace of the first past the post system, which protects the the system of so-called democracy from actual popular pressure. sure, well karem, i mean, we heard in the report there, didn't we that in some cases there were multiple pro- palestine candidates, i mean davis just referred to that standing in in the same seat. i mean, what's your take on how that affected the campaign against labor? i believe it added to the confusion on election day, as the electorate who wanted an alternative to the establishment looked. towards the independence and realized that they had three, if not more independence to choose from, and they went with who they preferred the most, or indeed rather looked at them, thought that they had little to credibility and decided to go with the traditional safer option thinking that they would be in a stronger position of power to be able to represent their grievances, their opinions

and their views with respect to gaza. well david, mean despite some of the disappointment. so mean we still saw some historic wins, mean you you were touching that weren't you wins wins for independent pro- palestine candidates, mean uh, just expand a little bit of what you were saying previously because mean that was that was a important step forward wasn't i think i mean this is this is dramatic change i mean i remember mean i'm from scotland right so was in scottland in 2003 when this parliament elections with a with a proportional system a very poor proportional system but proportional uh where we elected 10 more than 10% of the parliament were socialists or greens six socialists and seven greens and that was huge breakthrough. now we didn't ever think that we could get a breakthrough like that in the first part of the post system because it's it's designed to avoid that kind of thing, but we got five uh seats uh there would have been more if the had been split votes which which is is a problem for for the left and they should have not been split votes, but th these that's actually dramatic breakthrough, and of course we'll see how how that that develops, because let's remember that the majorities that some of the

labor mps now have are very very marginal, and if what happens in the future is that things change on the right, then we could see a further breakthroughs in in in future elections, certainly bi-election context, so it's very significant, we've seen a lot of really very interesting candidates come through, some of them are better than others and some of them are more naive. than others, some of them are better on palestine than others, but we've seen for example jody mackin in birmingham, clearly fantastic candidate, uh, yourself, of course, chris, in derby, craig murray, you cruely nied because of a split vote in in putburn, he run very, very good campaign, others including people who were not part of the workers party, navid kalem and in stoke central run very good campaign, but so what we see is new generation of of politicians coming through, and in particular of muslim politicians and the and the question of the muslim community. finding its political voice and and seeing the if act together it can make a difference, that's really important, no indeed, well karem, mean that the labour party seems to have lost a large percentage of the of the

muslim votes as as we've just been hearing from david there, mean how will that affect the party do you think going forward? i think it will cause labor massive damage in the future, they will become unpopular in government and they will lose support up and down the country, the small minority of muslim voters. they do have are here today and possibly gone tomorrow when they see that they have when they gain the experience from them in government that they are not looking after their that they are not looking after their interests and that they campaigned on empty rhetoric of ce fires and how they and how voters were tricked into vote for labor party that is in favor of such peace and really as we mentioned earlier it is just lip service kiya starma has done. nothing while he was leader of opposition to prevent the loss of life of a single palestinian and there's nothing to suggest that while he is in number 10 that he is also going to give as

much gusto or if not more towards the prevention of uh further loss of innocent. well david, our report there said that that mentioned the need for a ceasefire in his in his phone call with benjamin netanhu, mean some people are hoping itl surprise everyone and you adopt a pro'. palestine stance, i've got to say i'm fairly skeptical about that, but what's your thoughts, is there any prospects of that? if it's possible, i'm more skeptical than you about that. i mean, i mean, i remember what happened when blair came in and people saying before blair was elected in 1997 with his landslide that he was only pretending, only pretending to be you know conservative, and he would really this radicalism would show through, did it? no, of course it didn't, he he invaded iraq, killed a million people, um, and we remember what happened then, the same will happen with star, star was making these sort of positive noises, he's appointed as... the attorney general uh this guy who who signed letter calling for the rule of law who believes that the west bank shouldn't be occupied, but he's a card carryingxionist, he's said as much, he

comes from the blue blue box family, he says and of course what that means is that in his his childhood home was a blue box for the jewish national fund to collect money to ethnically cleanse the palestinians, this is not the sign of a government that's going to be a pro-palestinian, every single of the key uh secretaries of state in his new cabinet are car card carrying paid up zis, there's no way that anything is going to go in the least bit against the interest of zionism a through this government, no indeed, well i'm afraid that's all we've got time for today, so i'd like to thank our guest karem alli and of course our resident expert professor david miller, remember you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates, and of course our entire back catalogue is now available on rumble as well, and don't forget to share today's program on your social media platforms to help us continue expanding our audience, so until next time, i hope you join us again on palestine classified, this is saying high for now,

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