تشعرون بالاحيان خمسه خمسه. of of hello and welcome to press tv. hashimi,

thanks so much for being with us. now the genocide against palestinians continues and it doesn't matter if they live in the gaza strip or the west bank. in reality, this is a war which began from day one when zaina started killing palestinians and stealing their land over 76 years ago. it is only the resistance which can give the palestinians a chance to reclaim its land. for over 10 months in gaza, we've witnessed the resistance fight. the fierce war against the zionist genocide and more and more the resistance in the west bank is increasing its pressure on the regime and today three israeli troops were killed in a retaliatory operation outside of al-khalil by resistance fighters as the israeli regime continues killing more palestinians. well, i'd like to welcome my guests to the program. sad nim,

professor of political science beers at university out of ramala, and charlotte kates, international coordinator, samadoon palestinian prisoners solidarity network out of vancouver, well thank you both for being with us, well let me start this off with sad, i mean the israely regime has not reached any of its stated goals in gaza, and with that being the case, why... it want to expand its offensive against the west bank at this time? well, good evening to you, mrs. hashimi, and of for your guest from vancouver and for all your viewers. well, we can talk about two issues here in regarding what's going on in the west bank today, the first one that israel wanted to end all kind of resistance and especially armed resistance that started 2015 in genene, refugee. and then started to

expand to many other refugee camps and cities as inblos and jericho and to karim and also to bass, so that what the israeli wanted to stop, especially that this resistance is increasing in both quality and quantity, especially after they managed to manufacture locally these bombs against the vehicles, israeli tanks and the israeli vehicles, so the israeli now were annoyed with this kind of phenomena and they wanted to stop it in any in any way, this is one before it spread even more, this is on one one hand which military aim, the other part which is most important, more important that the aim of this government is to control lots of land in the west bank and to anax it. israel and

because of that they are increasing the settlements, the settlers and the attacks by the settlers against the palestinians and trying to ethnically cleanse the palestinians especially from area sea. we are talking about more than 25 palestinian communities have been kicked out from their own land an ethnic cleansing clearly and it was given to the settlers enlarging the perimeter of the settlements and also especially that "we are talking about bing ver who's arming those settlers and now they became kind of gangs attacking the palestinian villages and the palestinian villagers and also the shippers in the their gracing areas also smotric who's responsible for the uh what they call it the civil administration in the army regarding the west bank which he also have the same ideas of you know ' financing these

settlements and supporting the settlers in the attacks on the palestinians, for these two reasons now we are having you know the uh the west bank a very hot. you know uh steel if you like, right? well, charlotte, i mean, the regime obviously have not been able to succeed against the resistance in gaza? i mean, how likely is it that it can succeed against the resistance in the west bank in your perspective? for the past 76 years, the zionist regime has been carrying out an ongoing genocide against the palestinian people, uh, sometimes more accelerated, sometimes taking place a slower basis, but the commonality has been... this attempt to eradicate the palestinian people and eradicate their resistance, and it's obvious that this has failed miserably over the years, whether they've used the mechanism of outright genocide and violent attacks like we're seeing today, like we've seen 20 years ago, like we've seen consistently, or whether

they've tried to use the mechanism of the oslo so-called peace process and the creation the so-called palestinian authority to pacify the palestinian people, all of these efforts have entirely failed and it's been clear that so long as the occupation and colonialism of palestine continues, the palestinian people will continue to resist to develop new leaders, to develop their armed struggle and to continue to resist on all fronts until palestine is liberated. i mean, what we're seeing today uh, you it's quite striking, the occupation forces have over the past uh several days invaded the northern west bank, attacking jane, tukatom, to bus, they have been focused, they've been tearing apart the streets and genene, focusing on the refugee camps, and this is relevant because these are the refugee camps of palestinian refugees who have been denied their right to return home by the zionist regime since they were forcibly expelled from their homes and lands in 1948, and as this uh you know assault on

the northern west bank is being carried out by the zionist regime, what we've seen is a blossoming of the armed resistance in the southern west bank. and so it's become clear that there is no part of palestine that is pacified for zionist colonization and that the resistance and the when we speak about the term of aluxa flood to describe october 7th of 2023. this isn't a term that describes just one day. there is an ongoing and rising flood of resistance throughout occupied palestine and right now that flood of resistance is... crisis for the zionist regime itself, and that's why we're seeing these uh, hundreds of thousands of settlers in the streets in tel aviv and planning a strike because they know that there is no mechanism through genocide and uh ongoing

attacks and the mass killing of palestinian civilians to suppress the natural human and just drive to resist and to free one's people and one's land from a brutal colonizing entity. back to the hill by the united states and its imperialist allies. well, um, sad, do you see this added aggression and violence by the israeli regime as a sign of its weakness and fear as it's getting even more and more aggressive in the west bank? well, i believe that after the 7th of october israel itself has has, had huge impact on after this war, and now there are lots of changes. are going on, you know, part of it, as you said, it's fear, fear that this will spread all over the west bank, and the west bank is a big problem for israel, if that happened, as we mentioned many times before, we are talking about 465 palestinian villages, apart from the refugee

camps which are 19, and we are talking about the cities, we are talk about also the palestinian communities apart from the villages and the refugee camps and addition to that all the settlements and those also the beginning of the settlements as as they they call it the anyway they israel have to protect all these settlements and settlers, they also have to put you know troops all over near to the villages, it means if there is an impad mean and in such case that will they have to deploy a huge amount of... of soldiers in in in in the west bank and this is they can't afford to do that then they have to pull that from gaza or from the north and this is a big problem so they are trying to have a swift kind of operations like what's going on in the last week till till today in gin and in karim and intobas trying

to eliminate the the palestinan resistance but apparently they couldn't so far and the palestinan resistance still exist and are still going on with their operations and yesterday there was an operation, this morning there was an operation in hebron, both of them and hebron yet didn't started, we are at the very beginning, so i believe that ' that give us fact first of all that this colonialist regime is determined to evacuate and to kill as much palestinian as they could and as your guest describe it as a genocide since the very beginning of this entity started and secondly that the palestinian people absolutely are not going to go down silently so the palestinian are resisting and we believe now there is huge or most of the palestinian people. are in support of the palestinian resistance, regardless of anything or which organization,

but they are supporting the idea of resistant, because they came to realization after 30 years of although agreement that this colonialist regime can't be confronted but with violent resistance, right? yeah, i'm sure they do feel that way after all this time. i mean, charlotte, uh, do... to the increase of violence against palestinians in the west bank, resistance has increased its operations there, and on sunday it carried out an operation in al khali, killing three israeli police forces, can the regime expect anything other than this type of reaction when it's just continually increasing its repression, if the zionist regime continues to believe that after 76 years it is going to uh eliminate palestinian resistance and the palestinian will to live and to fight for

freedom and to achieve liberated palestine by killing massive numbers of civilians, bombing people, tearing apart refugee camps, attacking hospitals, attacking schools, um carrying out massacers, then you know they have learned none of the lessons of the past 76 years, that's quite clear, because what has happened time and time again, i mean the... "the zionist regime has never stopped its mechanisms of assassination, of targeting the leadership of the palestinian resistance time and time again over the decades, whether inside or outside palestine, they have never stopped this mechanism of mass imprisonment and the uh severe torture and abuse and assault of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of palestinians in attempt to force them to..." to confess and to break their wills, and they have failed to do that, and they have engaged in massacres for the past

76 years, and of course we've seen the extent the massacres, um, particularly in the past over 10 months in gaza, and every single day, the armed resistance in gaza is continuing to destroy their tanks and personnel carriers and is continuing to snipe occupation soldiers stationing themselves in occupied buildings and homes in gaza, and so it's... quite clear that this kind of genocidal assault is only aimed at the elimination of the palestinian people and will utterly fail in eliminating the resistance. i mean, they have been unable to suppress the resistance in gaza, despite dropping and unprecedented amount of explosives uh purchased and provided by the united states, germany and its imperialist allies upon the palestinian people in gaza, and the... been utterly unable to to eliminate the resistance or to achieve any of their stated military goals,

they have not done so all they have managed to do is to kill palestinian civilians, in fact the resistance is spreading, it is uh developing, it is advancing, and we are only going to see a continued advance in the resistance, particularly so long as the zianist regime continues to carry out this colonial project, right? well side, mean to commanders were killed in the west bank last week, how likely is it that the resistance operation will actually start to increase in retaliation? well, we've been through many assassinations and we talk about you around a thousand of palestinian leaders over the years since at least 1967 i'm talking about after the start of the contemporary palestinian revolution. from all palestinian organizations and they didn't stop them, it

doesn't mean anything, you know, yes, we grief for those who been killed, and especially those leaders, that might you know give us a little bit of of anger and and sorrow for for them for like few days maybe, but definitely the work will continue, and the the palestinian will will bring again other leaders who might be also even more insistence on on on revenge and on i won't say revenge but let me say in resisting the occupation and continue the... distance and continue the fight for our rights, look, you there are something about our people, the palestinians, no one could could tolerate what's going on, can you imagine anywhere around the world in the last 10 months in gaza, and yet the people in gaza are saying, we have paid a lot, we know that, but we are still supporting the the resistance and we

are behind the resistance and we are going to liberate all of palestine, i don't think that if that happened in anywhere else in that capacity for 10 months with all these massacers and killing of the children and women and the the destroying and destruction of gaza, and people still saying we are not tired, we are not, we are not going to give up, to the contrary, they are saying go ahead, and they are encouraging the palestinan resistant even not to give up any their demands concerning the negotiations for the liberation. of some of the prisoners that captive by the palestinian resistance, so it it means that we have discouraged the palestinians, whether it's in the west bank or in gaza, to continue and to tolerate pain, tolerate all these massacers in order to go ahead with our struggle to liberate palestine. right, thanks, very interesting

points sad, for sure, the palestinians have shown unbelievable courage and fort. would have been an example for resistance throughout the world um and charlotte uh actually sought said something quite interesting being that these are not the first uh of course resistance leaders to be killed and each time someone else comes they seem even more dedicated and more adamant about freeing actually their people and freeing their land and i mean it it's interesting then that the israeli regime does not seem to understand this, the more they oppress, the more they continue with their violence, they are creating um even stronger resistant leaders because they realize more and more that that's the only way that they can ever be free. mean, your thoughts about that? the zionist regime has no tools left to

it except for those of the colonizer and those of the oppressor, so the mass incarceration and the torture and "the systemic abuse and violence directed against thousands upon thousands of palestinian political prisoners locked up in zanist dungeons, the massacres targeting palestinian civilians as as as a group, as a class, as as nation in order to try to eliminate them, you know, there is a clear line that go that stretches from deriacine to what we see today in gaza, um, even though..." of course, we should note here that over 70% of the palestinian population in gaza are refugees who have been denied their right to return home for the past 76 years um by the zionist regime and so it's the descendants of the same people that the zionist regime is waging its war upon um of of those who were expelled during al-nakba and of course the weapon of

assassination and we've seen this used time and time again uh just as professor nimmer was saying regarding the history. history of the palestinian resistance movement, the history of the palestinian liberation movement is one of ongoing use of assassination as a weapon by the zionist regime and ongoing development of the resistance. when we look at this history we can see that you know they killed ganafi, they have killed um fatikaki and ahmed yesin and mustafa, they have taken leaders, not just in the past several years, but throughout the history of the palestinian movement, these are names that are honored and precious, i mean certainly of course first and foremost to the palestinian movement, but really to anyone around the world who cares about justice and to cares about humanity, and so when we've you know witnessed in the past 11 months, the

targeting of leaders like fuad sukar of hezballah or salahuri and... hania of hames when we witness the ongoing attempts to eliminate the resistance into karam and the refugee camps by by trying again and again and again to assassinate abu shuja of sarah alkuds until kararam. you all of these things are based on this colonial idea that if they can eliminate one leader or one person, they will eliminate the movement. and what we can see through the history of all of these resistance organizations from the popular front to hamas, to islamic jihad, to hisballah, what we see time and time again is that this history of assassinations entirely fails to pacify or destroy the organ. organization and instead gives rise to new generations of leaders who are even more committed to resistance into resistance is the path to liberation right? well so i mean

since october of last year more than 670 palestinians have been killed in the west bank and now in janene the regime is repeating what it's doing in gaza, cutting off food, water, electricity and and trying to destroy the overall infrastructure. what is it that there after? i mean, we're talking about 670 palestinians since october in the west bank, that basically the world is not even talking about. i mean, let's talk about what this means, what is taking place on the west bank. yeah, in the west bank, it's an ongoing thing, it's not only after the 7th of october, you're right about the numbers, but let me just give you new number, since the beginning of 2023, 7th of october they killed around 240 palestinians in the west bank, so we are talking about you, even without the 7th of october already the israeli troops and

as well as the uh settlers are killing palestinians, so it's an ongoing thing, and this is coming from the mentality of this very right-wing fascist government, let me quote smotrach, smotrach said 2007. he said there are three options in front of the palestinians and they have to choose one of them in order you to make things going through, either they have to be slaves under us and to comply exactly of what we are saying or to leave the country or the third alternative is to be killed, that's it, can you imagine such a statement and now apparently that at that time it was during the elections and he made statement, but apparently today this fascist government are are are complying with this this statement and they are you know trying either to kill the palestinian or to deport them or to kick

them out or to make them slaves. what's going on in the west bank now in the infrastructure? it is quite clearly because the israel army when they do that in in the refugee camps especially they told the refugees you have to leave, you have to leave the whole country, you have to leave go to jordan. and they were very clear about that and they are continuing, otherwise why should they you know destroyed in ginen? today the report came, 70% of the roads in the city, not in the refugee camp, in the city itself, it was totally destroyed, 70%, why, why, you sometimes you can't understand it, but in one thing, we are going to do all that to you, unless you are either go out or being killed or to comply and be asl. all right, on that note, unfortunately we're out of time, i appreciate both of you being with me, professor of political science versad university out of ramala, charlotte case,

international coordinator samadun palestinian prisoner solidarity network out of vancouver, and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm marza hashimi, hope to see you right here next time, goodbye. sono l'avvocato carlo corbucci italiano, fra le mie esperienze ci sono stati soprattutto questi casi di terrorismo, terrorismo islamico. del cosiddetto terrorismo islamico, cosa c'era di vero, cosa c'era di esagerato, cosa potesse nascondere al di là delle e leggendo

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fifth day of the israeli offensive in the occupied west bank, the city of jane is the hardest hit. meanwhile, the iof hits a school in the alzatu neighborhood of gaza city, where displaced palestinians had taken shelter killing at least 11 people and hamas.