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it was built on the domination of belgian imperialism, of super exploitation. we need to know that in the past, leopold ii, king of belgium, considered the congo his personal property and exploited its rubber and ivory a time when his industry needed a lot of rubber. part of the kingdom of belgium, however, when he died, of course, the kingdom of belgium inherited it, as a result, the wealth that exists today in belgium and in a large part of europe, is due to this over exploitation of the congoese people. the french novelist balsak tells us that behind all great wealth, there are always great crimes and great criminals, and that is the truth.

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and nakazaki were manufactured by the united states with uranium extracted in the minds of the congo by belgian companies. hoy día. today the congoese people are fighting for their sovereignty and independence. there was a moment in history when they achieved independence, a little independence with patrice lemumba, who lasted only seven months in government. then he was assassinated for not submitting to the mandate and orders of belgian imperialism. el occidente colectivo. to dominate what is the congo, but the independence of the congo and its sovereignty are intimately related to the sovereignty and independence and anti-olonialism that today are seen through the whole of africa. it's

very encouraging that many countries are achieving sovereignty and independence, and these winds are also reaching the congo. that is why we must pay attention to... what is happening there? this intentional, malicious oblivion is on purpose, and when they talk to us about history about what is happening there, they portray it as ethnic contradictions between tribal groups that kill each other, hiding the reality, which is the use of different groups and

áfrica es normalmente ocultada por la prensa hegemónica occidental. western press. it's missing in the mainstream media.

not only affects the country itself, but also the whole of africa, and why not say it, western europe and the world, and for that reason today we meet roland minnie mangoy, who is a congolese academic and political analyst. welcome roland to black and white. bienvenido, roland.

thank you very much for providing this opportunity to talk about the topic of the democratic republic of the congo, the forgotten genocide. currently four territories have been occupied by the terrorist rebels of the m23 movement. there are 87 villages in these four territories. this week. they have also occupied more than two villages, so we're like lost between what the government says and what the population experiences. on august 2nd we comemorated the genocide of the congo, the victims of 1998, the war that happened in kisangani, in the

province of shopo, and as a population we're very sad and very abandoned because we've been talking about the agreements for a long time, we've been calling on the international community for a long time. we've been protesting for a long time, but there is nothing and apart from this, there is already a lot of evidence that shows that what we are experiencing is a complicity of the international community, that is, supporting rwanda and oganda, according to the investigations of many organizations and also the mapi report, the united nations report, i mean, these countries, rwanda and uganda are the ones that support the adf and the m23, because in the democratic republic of the congo, there are currently more than 200 armed groups and these groups are from the bordering countries, and also groups that are kangolies, but have support from outside the country.

congo very rich right, and there are also the hands of western european powers. what is this interference and this neocolonialist or directly colonialist activity that is affecting the congo? neocolonialista o colonialista directamente, que está afectando hoy día el congo. well currently in the 21st

century we're talking about climate change and the energy transition, we're talking about new technologies and here the democratic republic of the congo stand out as a country which has all the materials, the minds that we need for the energy transition and for the development of new technologies, so the congoese government has been handling case against apple for few months. because apple is accused of buying minerals illegally exploited in the democratic republic of the congo, and so countries such as the united states, france, the united kingdom are countries that take advantage of this situation to finally support their companies, large companies, multinational companies, so what happens is that when we want things to be done legally, they immediately put their support behind the rebels so that they can illegally exploit the wealth of the congo and... if we call on the international community and there is complicity, no one pays attention to us, and we're talking, as i

have said, about companies such as samsung, apple, tesla, for example, we're talking about countries such as the united kingdom, we are talking about the united states and some others. yes, today it is rare earths. cobalt etc. that they are looking for. yesterday it was rubber and ivory, right? and at the time, and it must be said and remembered that the atomic bombs that were dropped on hiroshima and nakazaki were made with uranium, stolen from the congo by certain companies and passed onto the united states. roland, from the point of view of the social reality of the country, we're talking about displaced people.

republic of congo under the government of moputo sesaseco hosted refugees from rwanda who are hutus and they entered the congo and set up camps there and at that time the politician who is currently the president of rwanda paul kagame claimed that the hutus who are rebels and want to steal power from the tutsies of rwanda had gone to the kango with weapons. this was the first reason why rwanda sent its military into the camps in the congo to... so to speak disarmed these hutos who were in the camps there. today, the same

story continues. we're talking about more than 7 million internally displaced people. the democratic republic of the congo is currently the first country with the largest number of internally displaced people. and what the rondone government is doing is continuing with the same pretext of persecuting the hutus who have fled to the camp in the congo. today there is no safe camp existent. 'if you don't have anywhere to go and you flee the war, taking refuge in a camp, thinking that you are still alive, there is the certainty that they will drop bombs one way or another, and what also happens is that the kongolis'. the government the democratic republic of congo has also abandoned these compatriots who live in these camps. roland, unfortunately, i'm going to have to stop you there, we're going to continue with the threat of the conversation as what you're saying is significant to understand what is going on in the congo. let's take a short break.

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blanco con ronal, roland, tú estabas diciendo.

weapons, they are rebels and are being protected by the democratic republic of the congo. this is what the outside world has heard about us. we are already sure and it is very clear that all these are the games of imperialism, because well, in the west, with regard to the rapid growth of technology and the sort and the energy transition, they need our minerals, but the point is that they lack materials that they are needed for this, so they need to buy it from the congo, but if they're going to buy it legally, it will cost them... lot, so what they do is support the rebels, support some bordering countries so that they unrealistically exploit our wealth and steal it. we have had for example, the experience of those who took robber from the congo in the past, and today, after independence, they have acquiest our independence in words, but in practice they do not want this independence, they want to continue stealing the wealth of the conko, so

they have resolted to the rebels or they go directly through some countries which support. "the congolese people who have experienced for a short period of time independence and sovereignty with an enormous political figure that we all knew at some point, patrice lemumba. how is it this desire for sovereignty, for independence, which was born many years ago, is still present in the

congo. what political situation exists in the congo that could give you..." about a way out, we're still at the level of continuing the struggle among ourselves, the population, civil society, the politicians, want the sovereignty of the democratic republic of the congo, we're still. following the struggle and one thing that is happening right now in the congo is freedom of expression. today, if you speak in the capital, especially about what is happening in the eastern part, you can be taken to

jail. we have had more than three friends, comrads in the struggle who have just been released from prison and others who are currently in asylum. so we cannot talk with this government of president felix shisaketi about a possibility of getting out of this situation, and there's a flimsy chance for peace there. with what is happening in burkinafaso or in mali in niger, these uprisings and the installation of sovereign, independent governments that reject colonialism and seek their own development, how does this influence, how does this have any correlation with the congo? well we still can't talk

about this situation in depth because when we had the elections of 2018 was in the streets in 2016 i remember and it was so excited to end this situation and to have the elections after joseph kabila so what happened in fact one of the opposition who is felix to and he works with the imperialist, the colonialists and there is a part of the population that is supporting him, so the fight against colonialism doesn't take us where we want to go, it doesn't give us a good way out, but even so every day that we get up, every day that we talk about the situation, it gives kind of change in the mentality of the population, hopefully we've seen many requests in the area where there is war to ask manusco to leave the democratic republic. the congo, because asmonusco is one of the united nations's buddies that are accomplices to the situation in the congo. the population the eastern part rose up, we went on strike

and we have taken it out the congo, we are still in the process of getting everyone out, so every day there are movements, every day there is follow-up to the struggle, we rise up, but as there is someone in power who has come from the opposition who has its followers among the population, yes, our president signed the entry of the

democratic republic of the congo into the group of east african countries, and in this group, when he signed it, there was an agreement that the armies of the bordering countries in the east like kenya, tanzania, uganda, burundi, rwanda, would come into the democratic republic of the congo to help us expel the... the nation condemned this, why? because rwanda and uganda are part of the rebels, they have supported the rebels since 1998, and year and a half past, and the president himself realized that things were not working as they were expected, because see, there's a territory called bunagana, it was occupied by the military of rwanda and uganda, and they left the m23 rebels free, and they killed each other and fought with the army of the democratic republic of the congress. so today, yes, we can say that there is a part of the army of rwanda and uganda within the democratic republic of the congo, and there is a report that speaks of

more than 4,00 rundan soldiers who are inside the democratic republic of the congo, yes, there is foreign presence and there are western powers behind them without a doubt social, what is life like from the social point of view, how is life in refugee camps with regard to all the internal displacements? i have said from the beginning the program that there is no live there, because there is no security, no food, no peace, because today the camps are bombed, the rebels have the right to bomb the camps without any reaction from the government or the military, and there are also refugees who cry every day because of hunger. "they don't even have anything eat, and there is sexual abuse in this part, and apart from the sexual abuse there, there are many diseases, that's

how the life is going on in the camps, why the government..."

and the president of tinte amek, which is a political party active in this field. we're also with other movements that are like fighting, for example, alternative congo, or for example, filling me, and many other political parties that are fighting. yes, there will be a way out, so there's a chance of a way out, but the problem is the time for this way out. we have to keep fighting, we have to have support from the countries that are sincere, from the countries that really want the freedom of the... democratic republic of the congo, that way we can achieve something, but if we continue with this government that counts on the imperialist that depends on the international community, then the fight will take us a long time and we'll have to work harder to achieve something. that's right, roland, well we've reached the end of the program, now we really appreciate you being with us, thank you very

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