why does israel's international law breaking go unpunished? what happened to the icj finding of plausible genocide? what happened to the arrest warrants from the icc? do we have justice? do we have a united nations or is it lipstick on? the pig, that's a question, i'm asking, have it out with galloween?

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welcome everyone, now on june 8th, this year, 2024, the israely military killed at least 276 people and left nearly 700 injured at the nusera refugee camp where hundreds of displaced palestinian families were sheltering in gaza. unra runcampus still reeling from another attack on june 6th, just two days earlier where israeli strikes by occupation forces left 37 people dead, including 14 children. now the week of july 13th, about a month later, 60 people were killed in attack on gaza city, most of them children, 100 killed in almawasi area of khan unis declared safe zone by the israeli regime. israel then carried out second massacre targeting a prayer group in alshati refugee camp killing more than 25.

palestinians and again, 40 people were killed and 60 injured an air strike early tuesday this week a tent camp in the khan unis in the almawasi area as well. a tank camp densely populated with displaced palestinians, no electricity or running water, no walls or of structures to shield families from the force and of shrapnel, multiple 3ous pound bombs provided by the united states and used by the israelis against civilians. so how many civilian massacers in gaza? before someone in the west says enough is topic of the segment to your press tv's spotlight. joining us now is mr. richard uh becker for the anti-war activist from the answer coalition out of san francisco california and daniel patrick welch geopolitical analyst joining us out of boston. like to welcome you both to the uh

program, mr. brecker, guess we can uh start with you sir, pleasure to have you on now, the massacre list is obviously too lengthy of a list to cover in its entirety, but the point is just that, isn't it that why do we need to document so many civilian massacers in one conflict that hasn't even reached a year's duration sir? well it's truly outrageous, mean it's beyond outrages, it's beyond any description uh the mass murder that continues, the genocidal campaign that the state of israel is waging with the support as you indicate. uh of the support of the united states, the united states says, we don't know how many missions have been emergency resupply of these 200 pound, one thous pound bombs, artillery shells to israel, and and and the uh the uh the fighter

planes that fighter bombers that go over face no opposition, they have there are no air defenses in gaza, there haven't been since the beginning uh "those who are dropping the bombs and those for the orders to drop the bombs should all be considered as terrorists, should all face justice if there was any justice in the world today, and there's very little, so this is something that is the horrors that are being inflicted upon the palestinian people day in and day out are treated as much less important in the us mass media then the death of even one israeli uh so far more. attention is given to the hostages uh then given to who number around 100 now uh then the tens of thousands of palestinians who have been killed and we don't know the real number and tens of thousands more who have been severely

inflicted with life changing injuries. thank you sir and mr daniel patrick welch welcome to the program sir over 41,100 palestinians now killed. a little over 11 months uh mostly of course you know women and uh children nearly 10000 injured thousands are missing presume dead and buried under a rubble your initial thoughts on israel's continued wholesale slaughter of gazas and we should emphasize this for the 100 thous time civilian population it is as uh mr becker said it's it's outrageous it is really uh beyond belief and and i think one of the things that escapes the uh american point of view is that this could not be the same if this were either reversed or it were a white

population undergoing this kind of slaughter um one one of the things that is is coming to light it's incredibly suppressed in the us media and in us politics, but this is not there is, this is not an israeli operation, i mean obviously they are the ones who are laying claim to this stretch of land, but this is a us colonial project and has been for very long time, and uh the us using the same script playing to the same band over and over again will set up their proxies, or in this case transplant americans who go there and they have pool at the the the house that used to belong to a palestinian family in the west bank, but they have house back in

brooklyn too. helen thomas used to say it jokingly all the time. these are americans, this is this is a us imperialist killing machine. operation for the forward base of the land-based uh aircraft carrier that is uh alleged to be the state of of israel and what you see what what is uh shocking even even having you know lived with this for and and the distortion and the propagandist nature of the imperialist narrative even having lived through all that it's still shocking to see you you know you have a uh uh a political debate for the major funders and beneficiaries of all this horror, the only two people who are uh gonna have the right to uh sell the next rounds of bombs and it doesn't even break, it's not even a real

issue, and i think i don't know that they're connected, i don't know that they care, but their their um tight control over us politics is ex extremely important and has been, and i think that in the wake of this farce of debate, when these two um idiot warmers are trying to outmaneover each other. on how much they support this genocide, it's it's that's open season, if you if they do, sit back and listen and say, oh god, we're in no trouble there then, then it's uh, it's a green light to do whatever they want, and we we haven't even talked yet about the west bank, they have also taken the green card to go after the west bank as well, and and the... uh and southern lebanon and iran, i mean, it is a

free for all, and they are are doing whatever they want and getting away with it right in the face of international view, and right in front of their donors from the united states who are actually the ones uh doing all this, it's um, it's it's a mess, it's unbelievable. and mr. becker, that's a interesting assertion that this is more a us imperialist colonial project than it is in operation by the um israelis, i like to actually put that question to you, i mean it's evident us's complicity and involvement, there's no doubt there, it gives it over 73-74% of its weapons that the israeli regime uh uses, 20 plus% comes from berlind a couple percent uh from the the french and the british, the australians, we all understand that us plays. huge role in weapons, deliveries, transfers to the regime, but in overall in policy and

in providing cover for the regime, how complicit the level of complicity, i like you to elaborate on, do you see the us is sharing all of this? yes, you know, it's interesting to recall that uh, and to know that the state of israel could not have come into being without the sponsorship of one or another of the big powers, the imperialist. so-called great powers. when the when the zianist project started, which isn't thousands of years ago, it was really announced itself to the world in 1897 at the first world zionist congress, but it had a had some big contradictions from the beginning, this movement. one of them was that, while it was reaction to very real anti-semitism in europe, undeniable, violent anti-semitism in the russian empire and elsewhere. it was also a colonial project from the beginning, its leader. said so, that's how we know that, hertsel, the first leader, but they had another contradiction, and that was they had

no army and no navy, yeah, you can't be a colonial power, you can't be a colonizer, and so what the first 20 years of that movement uh dedicated itself to was finding sponsor that did have an army and navy, that did have the means of violence uh to bring about a colonial possession, to take possession as a colony, and that one "the british were the main sponsor up until the 1940s and then after the creation of the state with the illegal vote at the united nations on november 29th, 1947, shortly afterwards and for a period of time france became the sponsor, france armed israel, they were flying mirage jets back in the 1950s and early 60s, france gave israel the atomic bomb, that's how they that's how israel became a nuclear weapons power was thanks to..." france, but it was after the 67 war when israel took possession of the west bank

and gaza, sinai peninsula, goland heights east jerusalem, that the defeat that israel inflicted on the israeli inflicted military inflicted on egypt and syria in particular, endeared israel to the us, it was it then that the us became the main sponsor, it was a couple years later that the millions of... aid that have been coming from the us to israel became billions of dollars per year and vast amounts of weaponry and without the sponsorship of of the us, without the backing the us, without the arming and the funding of the us, israel could not continue really, and the israelis know this, and and many people have left israel since the beginning of the genocide last october. i mean, of course that's a continuation of a long-term genocide, but the so in order to really

survive in a world where it is highly isolated. it's the us and israel together. you can take examples of this, like last year at the united nations, and we're coming up for another vote, last year at the united nations, when there was vote on whether to end the us blockade of cuba, the vote was 187 to two, and the two count. the backing of the us, so is it a us colony? in many ways it is, many of the people who live there and include many of the leading figures have dual citizenship, they're us israel, probably the israeli population is the most mobile in the world because it has so many people have more than one passport, and many of those who have

two passports, have an israeli passport and a us passport, and mr. really quick because i wanted to kind of get back to the massacers of and it's all i'm very it is all related and it goes uh hand in hand, but the israeli project is it more a colonial outpost for the west to the point of what both of you have just uh shared or a refuge for persecuted jews? i i think that question has been clarified very quickly, you know uh and certainly over the last 20 years as brian has been saying, but um, i've heard you know noom chomsky say in lectures at mit to a uh woman in the audience saying that it's our only refuge, and he said, you're talking about the least safe place for jews in the modern world, you're not, this is that's just that's just not true what you're saying, because

it's you can't be those things at the same time, and um, it's... that's why i'm i'm not trying to ignore that uh you know uh look at history, but you know french indo china predated america's involvement there as well, this is how the imperialist dice role and the the murders that took place from all over the the the the american continent uh basically at the behest of american imperialism are no... different in the way they have unfolded and the details that made them so aburent and uh moral that is not different because it claims to be something that it it it can't be and it it's not a unique history and a unique page of the imperialist playbook and it's

time to stop allowing that to be the narrative that's not fair. to history and it's certainly not fair to the 200 thousand, that's what even the un is uh or parts of the un is saying, not 41,00, 200,000 palestines have died at least, and mr. becker, regime timing again after these operations where it results in mass casualties, massacer, mass, literally mass murder, especially civilian population says it was either unintentional or unfortunate or both that there were hamos command centers in the midst of the people there. unintentional just like uh journalist shirin abu that the un uh ultimately said was deliberately killed by an israeli sniper shot to her head israeli regime forces first it was a palestinian fire then it was unintentional israeli fire a narrative that the us actually bought into um american turkish activist that that just got killed a couple days ago uh egy killed again by

occupation uh sniper uh this week uh the washington post said in its probe, it revealed it was in fact a deliberate targeting of this young lady, the regime once again says it was unintentional, is it there is any doubt in your head that these murders are full of intent? yeah, no doubt at all, mean there can't be any doubt, because you can't have massacre after massacre after massacre taking place and not understand if you were being at all objective, not understand. what the purpose of this is, and the purpose of it is to clear the people, to clear the palestinians from as much of gaza and the west bank, and from the from the point of viewahu and his closest associates, they want to exp the palestinian population all together from the west bank and from gaza, that's been their aim all along, from

the beginning of the israeli state back in 1948 there has been land hunger has dominated the every administration regardless of of who was the prime minister and which party was in power, they wanted land, they wanted more land, they considered from the beginning that the although israel conquered 78% of what had been the british mandate of palestine in the war of 1947-48, they never considered that to be the end, so we have and if you look at the record of war after war after war. well now we we're having the the war, the all-out war, the purpose is to clear the population from the land to make palestine to ethnically cleansed. once and for all and um mr. welch, if i could please put that same question to uh, i like your take as well, the regimes numerous excuses for these high civilian

deaths, women, children, uh, doctors, nurses, the elderly, journalists, aid workers and activists. now, uh, unfortunate and unintentional seems the definition of the word intent is epitomized basically, in every attack we see from the israelis. yeah, it's it's ethnic cleansing, it's well, but it's it's genocide basically, there's no, there is no, there's no question about that, and it's as as as brian was saying, this is ariel sharon said, grab some hills, what you do, what the first thing we do, grab some hills, all right, you want towering heights on which to murder the indigenous population, and we're sitting here, both of us in the us, slaughtered by various means up to... 500 million indigenous inhabitants and took their land and made a country out of it. this is not and and that sleezy talk about intention,

non-intention, we didn't mean it, you see that, and you see it, you see it, um, in the us political narrative, it's unbelievable, we're the best side of this, under killer uh camala harris said, um, well we're going to give them everything they want because they have to... to defend themselves and then we're going to rebuild palestine, the bizarro world, absolutely insane way of talking of anti-logic that these these people have constantly used to redefine truth, intent, it's a ridiculous concept even catch you in, it's like a lawyer arguing you out of a traffic ticket, it's like you have to stop, listen, i'm not listening to this crap anymore. "you're not making any sense, you can't tell me about intent and use this language and this narrative and this anti-history and this kind of browbeating, gas lighting and lying, it's it's just, it's

just not acceptable, and like we've been saying for the past few minutes, everyone gets it except for these two entities, and it's amazing, but mr. becker, you, thank you, mr. welch, mr. becker, you very well know, we don't have much time left, i really want to get this question out to every wester." government that is arming tel aviv has with his within its own tenets laws that govern the sales of transfers of weapons to a regime when they know it's being used disproportionately against civilians and or to be using to violate international law or international humanitarian law, why are they willing to go above and beyond their call, their own laws and international law to be complicit in what israel is doing to palestinians? well some... some time ago, some decades ago, the us stopped referring to a world system based on international law, and instead, the leaders talk about, they

talk about rules-based order, and it's the rules-based order where they make the rules and other everyone in the poorer part of the world, the global south, so much of the world has to live by or supposed to live by the the rules that they establish, which are in violation, gross violation of international law, and all of those who are supplying the state of israel with its weaponry to carry out this genocide know that they are committing violations of international law and they don't think that they have to pay any attention to it and you want to get your final thoughts on that? i'm glad you mentioned rule based uh order mr welch and you get your final thoughts and i remember an episode of home improvement where the guy said there's only one general rule in this house that i'm the general and i make the rules. exactly that is exactly on. like they they they have used the invention of language to redefine everything in their favor and i was thinking exactly the same thing at the same time, rules-based international order,

it's a scam and the the way you push back is over time and uh not silently, but what what exactly what russia and china and iran are doing is getting together and uh fighting back against the bully in the... schoolyard with every available means, and guess what, they're gonna win. gentlemen, thank you both for joining us with the program, pleasure to have the both of you on. mr. richard beccard, anti-war activist from the answer coalition, they're joining us from san francisco, california, and mr. daniel patrick wealth, geopolitical analyst joining us out of boston, massachusetts, and viewers, this brings us to the uh end of this segment of your press tv spotlight. thank you for tuning in and goodbye for now.

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the press of headlines: iran's president visits iraq semi-autonomous kurdistan region a historic trip as part of three-day official visit to iraq to boost bilateral ties and is really air strike kills nearly 20 palestinians a school in central gaza as a genocidal war's death toll tops 41,100, mostly women and children.