welcome everyone, now on june 8th, this year 2024, the israeli military killed at least 276 people and left nearly 700. ured at the neusera refugee camp where hundreds of displaced palestinian families were sheltering in gaza. unra run campus still reeling from another attack on june 6th just two days earlier where israely strikes by occupation forces left 37 people dead including 14 children. now the week of july 13th about a month later 60 people were killed in attack on gaza city, most of them children, 100 killed in almawasi area of khan unis declared safe zone by the israeli regime. israel then carried out second

massacre targeting a prayer group and alshati refugee camp, killing more than 25 palestinians and again, 40 people were killed and 60 injured an air strike early tuesday this week a tent camp in khan unis in the almawasi area as well. a tent camp densely populated with displaced palestinians, no electricity or running water, walls or structures to shield families from the force and of shrapnail, multiple 3,00 pound bombs provided by the united states. states and used by the israelis against civilians, so how many civilian massacers in gaza? before someone in the west says, enough is the topic of the segment at your press tv's spotlight. mr. richard uh becker, the anti-war activist from the answer coalition out of san francisco, california. and daniel patrick welch, geopolitical analyst joining us out of boston. i like to welcome you both to the uh

program, mr. becker, i guess we can uh start with you sir, pleasure to have you on, now the massacre list is obviously too lengthy of a list to cover in its entirety, but the point is just that isn't it that why do we need to document so many civilian massacers in one conflict that hasn't even reached a year's duration sir, well it's truly outrageous. "i mean it, it's beyond outrageous, it's beyond any description, the mass murder that continues, the genocidal campaign that the state of israel is waging with the support, as you indicate of the support of the united states, the united states says, we don't know how many missions have been emergency resupply of these two thousand pound, one thous pound. bombs,

artillery shells to israel and and and the the the fighter planes that fighter bombers that go over face no opposition, they have there are no air defenses in gaza, there haven't been since the beginning, those who are dropping the bombs and those who are giving the orders to drop the bombs should all be considered as terrorists, should all face justice if there was any justice in the world today, and there's very little, so this is something... that is the horrors that are being inflicted upon the palestinian people day in and day out are treated as much less important in the us mass media than the death of even one israeli so far more attention is given to the hostages than given to who number around 100 now uh then the tens of thousands of palestinis who have been killed and we don't the real number and tens of

thousands more who have been severely and inflicted with life-changing injuries. thank you sir, and mr. daniel patrick welch, welcome to the program sir, over 41,100 palestinians now killed a little over 11 months uh, mostly of course you know women in and uh children, nearly 100,00 injured, thousands are missing presume dead and buried under uh your initial thoughts on israel's continued wholesale slaughter of gazas and we should emphasize this for the hundred thousandth time, civilian population. it is, as uh, mr. becker said, it's it's outrageous, it is really uh beyond belief, and and i think one of the things that escapes the uh american point of view is that this would not

be the same if this were either reverse or it were a white population undergoing this kind of slaughter um one one of the things that is is coming to light, it's incredibly suppressed in the us media and in us politics, but this is not there is this is not an israeli operation, mean obviously they are the ones who are laying claim to this stretch of land, but this is a us colonial project and has been for very long time and ' the us using the same script, playing to the same band over and over again will set up their proxies, or in this case transplant americans who go there and they have pool at the the the house that used to belong to a

palestinian family in the west bank, but they have house back in brooklyn too. helen thomas used to say it jokingly all the time, these are americans, this is this... is a us imperialist killing machine operation for the forward base of the landbased uh aircraft carrier that is uh alleged to be the state of of israel and what you see what what is uh shocking even even having you know lived with this for in the distortion and the propagandist nature of the imperialist narrative even having lived through all that. "it's still shocking to see, you, you know, you have a a political debate for the major funders and beneficiaries of all this horror, the only two people who are uh gonna have the right to uh sell the next rounds of bombs,

and it doesn't even break, it's not even a real issue, and i, i think, i, i don't know that they're connected, i don't know that they care, but they're they're..." um tight control over us politics is extremely important and has been, and i think that in the wake of this farce of debate when these two um idiot warmongers are trying to outmaneover each other on how much they support this genocide, it's it's that's open season, if you if they do you sit back and listen and say oh god we're in no trouble there then then and it's uh it's a green light to do whatever they want and we we haven't even talked yet about uh the west bank they have also taken the green card to go after the west bank as well and and the golan uh and you know southern lebanon and

iran i mean it is a free for all and they are are doing whatever they want and getting away with it right. in the face of international view and right in front of their donors from the united states who are actually the ones uh doing all this, it's um, it's it's a mess, it's unbelievable, and mr. becker, that's a interesting assertion that this is more a us imperialist colonial project than it is in operation by the um israelis, i like to actually put that question to you, i mean it's... evident us's complicity and involvement, there's no doubt there, it gives it over 73, 74% of its weapons that the israeli regime uses, 20 plus% comes from berlin, a couple percent uh from the the french and the british, the australians, we all understand that us plays huge role in

weapons deliveries, transfers to the regime, but in overall in policy and in providing cover for the regime, how complicit the level of complicity i like you to elaborate on, do you see the us? sharing all of this: yes, you know, it's interesting to recall that and to know that the state of israel could not have come into being without the sponsorship of one or another of the big powers, the imperialist so callalled great powers. you know, when the when the zianist project started, which isn't thousands of years ago, was really announced itself to the world in 1897 at the first world zionist congress, but it had some big. contradictions from the beginning, this movement, one of them was that while it was a reaction to very real anti-semitism in europe, undeniable, violent anti-semitism in the russian empire and elsewhere, it was also a colonial project from the beginning, it's leaders said so, that's how we know that, hertsol, the first

leader, but they had another contradiction and that was they had no army and no navy, you can't be a colonial power, you can't be a colonizer, and so what, "the first 20 years of that movement uh dedicated itself to was finding sponsor that did have an army and navy, that did have the means of violence to bring about a colonial possession to..." possession as a colony, and that went on, the british were the main sponsor up until the 1940s and then after the creation of the state with the illegal vote at the united nations on november 29th, 1947, shortly afterwards and for a period of time france became the sponsor, france armed israel, they were flying mirage jets back in the 1950s and early 60s, france gave israel the atomic bomb, that's how they... that's how israel became a nuclear weapons power was thanks to france, but it was after the 67 war when

israel took possession of the west bank and gaza, sinai peninsula, the golen heights east jerusalem, that the defeat that israel inflicted on, the israeli inflicted military inflicted on egypt and syria in particular, endeared israel to the us, it was at then that the us became the main sponsor. it was a couple years later that the millions of dollars in aid that have been coming from the us to israel became billions of dollars per year and vast amounts of weaponry, and without the sponsorship of of the us, without the backing of the us, without the arming and the funding of the us, israel could not continue really, and the israelis know this, and and you know, many people have left israel since the beginning. of of the genocide last october, i mean, of course that's a continuation of a long-term

genocide, but you know the, so in order to really survive in a world where it is highly isolated, it's the us and israel together. you can take examples of this, like last year at the united nations, and we're coming up for another vote, last year at the united nations, when there was vote on whether to end the us blockade of cuba. "the vote was 187 to2 and the two countries that voted against ending the blocade were the us and israel, so israel cannot do what it does, could not possibly do what it does, in fact israel cannot really continue for very long without having the backing of the us, so is it a us colony? in many ways it is, many of the people who live there and include many of the leading figures uh have dual citizenship, their us israeli c'. "probably the israeli's population is the most mobile in the world

because it has so many people have more than one passport and many of those who have two passports have an israeli passport and a us passport and mr. wells really quick because i wanted to kind of get back to the massacers of and it's all i'm very it is all related and it goes hand-in hand, but the israeli project is it more a colonial outpost for the west to the point." of what both of you have just shared or a refuge for persecuted jews? i think that question has been clarified very quickly, and certainly over the last 20 years, as brian has been saying, i've heard you know chomsky say in lectures at mit to a woman in the audience saying that it's our only refuge, and he said you're talking. about the least safe place for jews in the modern world, you're not, this is the that's

just that's just not true what you're saying, because it's you can't be those things at the same time, and um, it's that's why i'm i'm not trying to ignore that uh, you know, uh, look at history, but french into china predated america's involvement there as well. "this is how the imperialist dice role and the the murders that took place from all over the the the the american continent uh basically at the behest of american imperialism are no different in the way they have unfolded and the details that made them so apparent and uh amoral that is not different because it claims to..." be something that it it it can't be, and it it's not a unique history and a unique page of the

imperialist playbook, and it's time to stop allowing that to be the narrative, that's not fair to history, and it's certainly not fair to the 200 thousand, that's what even the un is uh, or parts of the un are saying, not 41,00, 200,000 palestinis have died at least, thank you. and mr. becker, regime timing again after these operations where it results in mass casualties, massacre, mass, literally mass murder, especially of civilian population, says it was either unintentional, or unfortunate or both that there were hamas command centers in the midst of the people there, unintentional, just like uh journalist shirin abule that the un uh ultimately said was deliberately killed by an israeli sniper shot to her head israeli regime forces first it was a palestinian fire then it was unintentional israeli fire narrative that the us actually bought into um american turkish

activist that that just got killed a couple days ago uh agi killed again by uh occupation uh sniper uh this week uh the washington post said in its probe it revealed it was in fact a deliberate targeting of this young lady, the regime once again says it was unintentional, is it there is any doubt in your head that these murders are full of intent? yeah, no doubt at all, i mean there can't be any doubt uh because you can't have massacre after massacre after massacre taking place and not... understand, if you were being at all objective, not understand what the purpose of this is, and the purpose of it is to clear the people, to clear the palestinians from as much of gaza and the west bank and from the from the point of view of nahu and his closest associates, they want to expell the palestinian population all together from the west bank and from gaza,

that's been their aim all along, from the beginning of the israeli state, back in 1948 there has been land hunger has dominated the every administration, regardless of of who was the prime minister and which party was in power, they wanted land, they wanted more land, they considered from the beginning that the although israel conquered 78% of what had been the british mandate of palestine in the war of 1947-48, they never considered that to be the end, so we have and if you look at the record of war after war after war, well now we're we're having the the war, the all-out war, the purpose is to clear the population from the land to make palestine to ethnically cleanse palestine once and for all. and mr. welch, if i could please put that same question to you uh, i like your take as well,

the regime's numerous excuses for these high civilian deaths, women, children, doctors, nurses, the elderly, journalists, aid workers and activists. now uh, unfortunate and unintentional, seems the definition of the word intent is epitomized basically in every attack we see from the israelis. yeah, it's it's ethnic cleansing, it's well, but it's it's genocide basically, there's no, there is no, there's no question about that, and it's as as brian was saying, this is ariel sharone said, grab some hills, what you do what the first thing we do, grab some hills, all right, you want towering heights on which to murder the indigenous population, and we're sitting here, both of us in the us, mean slaughtered by various means up to 500 million indigenous inhabitants and took their land and made a country out of it. this is

not, and and that sleezy talk about intention, non-intention. "we didn't mean it, you see that, and you see it, you see it um, in the us political narrative, it's unbelievable, we're the best side of this under killer camala harris, said, um, well, we're going to give them everything they want because they have to defend themselves and then we're going to rebuild palestine, the bizarro world, absolutely insane way of talking of anti-logic that these, these people have..." used to redefine truth, intent, it's a ridiculous concept even catch you in, it's like a lawyer arguing you out of a traffic ticket, it's like you have to stop, listen, i'm not listening to this crap anymore, you're not making any sense, you can't tell me about intent and use this language and this narrative and this

anti-history and this kind of brow beating, gas lighting and lying, it's it's just it's just not... acceptable and like we've been saying for the past few minutes, everyone gets it except for these two entities, and it's amazing, but mr. becker, you, thank you, mr. welch, mr. becker, you very well know, we don't have much time left, i really want to get this question out to you, every western government that is arming tel aviv has with his within its own tenants laws that govern the sales of transfers of weapons to a regime when they know it's being used disproportionately against civilians and or to be using to violate international law or international humanitarian law, why are they willing to go above and beyond their call, their own laws and international law to be complicit in what? israel is doing to palestinians? well, some some time ago, some decades ago, the us stopped referring to a world system based on international law, and

instead the leaders talk about, they talk about rules-based order, it's a rules-based order where they make the rules and other everyone in the poorer part of the world, the global south, so much of the world has to live by or supposed to live by the the rules that they... established, which are in violation, gross violation of international law, and all of those who are supplying the state of israel with its weaponry to carry out this genocide, know that they are committing violations of international law, and they don't think that they have to pay any attention to it. and you want to get your final thoughts on that? i'm glad you mentioned rule based order, mr. welch, you get your final thoughts, and i remember an episode of home improvement where the guy said there's only one general rule in this house, that i'm the general and... makes the rules, exactly, that is exactly on point, they they they have used the invention of language to redefine everything in their

favor, and i was thinking exactly the same thing at the same time, rules-based international order, it's a scam, and the the way you push back is over time and uh not silently, but what what exactly what russia and china and iran are doing is getting together, and uh fighting back against the bully in the schoolyard with every available means and guess what, they are going to win. gentlemen, thank you both for joining us to the program, pleasure to have the both of you on. mr. richard beccard, anti-war activist from the answer coalition, they're joining us from san francisco, california, emisera, daniel patrick wealth, geopolitical analyst joining us out of boston, massachusetts, and viewers, this brings us to the uh end of this segment of your press tv spotlight. thank you for tuning in. and goodbye for now,

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the headlines, more palestinian women and children fall victim to israel's indiscriminate attacks across gaza. the united nations decries the devastation of the palestinian economy due to israel's brutal attacks across the bisseige territory. and iran's president visits iraq's semi-autonomous kurdistan region as part of a three-day official visit to iraq.