hello and welcome to spotlight. the israeli regime's relentless bombing of the gaza strip keeps claiming civilian lives for more than 11 months. the world's institutions and...

international community have so far failed to stop this genocidal campaign, which enjoys full support from washington. palestinians, however, have remained steadfast in their resistance and refused to give in, despite all their suffering and hardships. the access of resistance in the region has also played a significant role in impeding israel's plots against the palestinians and that's why many believe that whether israel continues with the war on gaza or agrees to a ceasefire. it has already failed and has suffered to defeat at the hands of the resistance. stay with us tonight spotlight. we have sadnim, professor of political science joining us uh from beraid university in ramalah. we also have co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign, mr. mc napier who's joining us from glasgow. gentlemen, welcome to the pro'. program, let's start off with

professor nimr and ramala, day 343 of the genocide in gaza, over 41,00 palestinians, mostly women and children, have been slaughtered in cold blood. the international community has done nothing for almost a full year. how many more innocent women and children, aid workers, doctors and journalists have to be killed before this appalling massacre is stopped? well... "good evening to you and to make in scotland and to all your viewers, it will continue as far as no one is holding israel in front of its responsibility for this genocide, then definitely they are going to continue with this genocide and killing palestinians, so far what kind of any action been taken by any country around. word apart from the some

countries and the axel mainly of the resistance who took some some actions, apart from that, where is these kind of actions taken by any of these world community countries uh to stop israel or to force israel or to show israel their concern really by taking action like you know maybe economic bycott maybe reducing the diplomatic relationship, maybe doing anything, nothing, nothing. we we just fit up with these statements of you know concern and condemmination without doing anything. in spite of the fact that everyone is watching in front of them this kind of genocide and massacers going on every day for the palestinians all over gazah strip and now it's also it's started in the west bank, so

we believe that yes, we need to see action and enough of you know statements and condemnation statements and all kind of you know describing also the situation without doing anything in reality. mak here, the un says 90% of the population in gaza is now displaced, schools, camps and shelters housing displaced families in gaza continue to be attacked, but the israelis and the regime is using starvation and hunger as a weapon of war. how is fighting hamas and the resistance in any way tied to inducing famon and hunger on palestinian children in gaza? this israeli on slot and massacres, not just against the resistance, it's a genocide against all of the people in gaza. do you see it in that light as well? think any honest and intelligent person could not see it in any other way. um, the idea that this is a

war between israel and hamas, um, it's true at one level in that, it's the palestinian resistance are fighting back, and and so far actually. seeding, they're paying terrible price, but in a war such as this - for israel to win, netan yahoo's original war aims would need to be realized and palestinian resistance totally crushed, for the palestinian resistance to win, they merely need to continue to deny victory to israel, this is the case in every asymmetrical anti-colonial war, and by any yard stick, i'm not a military. expert, but i'm sure in the staff colleges around the world, they know these things and they know that israel is losing uh by by the usual criteria for these things, but israel is certainly a world leader in killing civilians, there's no doubt about that, they go to the top of the league,

500 killed bombing one hospital uh creating the conditions where all of the neonates, the the the newborn infants die uh where all the elderly people and the sick and the... care unit are killed as well, i think if if novelist, if famous novelist had produced a draft of novel year ago, and he had put this kind of information into it, for example, he he said that doctor would be amputating the limbs of his own children without anesthetic, i think it would be sent back to the to the author because that's over the top, but this is the dark hideous reality of gaz. today, um, it's a deep pit of horror, and every week brings deeper and deeper horror. it is, of course, genocide, and israel, well before october the 7th, i mean, had a had a had temptation towards genocide. genocide doesn't

mean the extermination of every last person in rwanda or or jews in europe or palestinians. genocide means the deliberate harming. killing, damaging of people because of who they are, genocide is all about intention, and the israelies have demonstrated for anybody with eyes and ears over many decades their intention to ethnically cleanse palestine, periodically to massacre large numbers of palestinians, 2009, 2014, the current one dwarfs even the other ones, um, so this is this is genocide, and but the language with which the... is reported in the mainstream media in the west is deeply dishonest, it's always portrayed as a war between hamas and and and and the israelis as if a resistance exists in vacuum and as if the mass killing was a different thing all together, so yes i mean i mean i'm

sharing a platform here with sad and romala and i you know he is enjuring the mass killing not just of gaza but of the west bank um and i'm speaking to you from country whose foreign minister last week tried to portray himself as human by saying that he was going to suspend 30 arms deals to israel and allow 300 arms deals to go forward. my government is deeply involved in this geneside. professor nimm, israeli forces continued to conduct raids on several towns and villages across the occupied west bank breaking into palestinian homes and making arrests. give us your assessment of the increased israeli violence in the west bank as the genocide in gaza is still ongoing, is this part of the regime's plans to tighten control over occupied out and the alaskamas compound as well? absolutely, if we don't want to mention

the statements by many of the ministers, foreign minister it was said that we have to remove and to move the palestinian. in the west bank and we have to treat them exactly like what happened in gaza, the statements of smotric who said for the palestinians everywhere, you have three options in front of you, either to be to accept to be a slaves for us or to depart and to go outside the country to jordan or any other country or to be killed, and these are the only three options that he is offering the palesty. or even netanyahu who was in three occasions showing map with mentioning to the it means that he showing the historic historical palestinian map without any indication of the

existence of the palestinians so the intention is there now how to do it and the justification to do that this is something else now the israel are an growing. in the north of palestine and particularly in these refugee camps, it started earlier than 2015 after the war in gaza in jenian refugee. camp and then it started to grow to reach to nablos and then to tubas and then to karem with its two refugee camps and to jericho and started and israel noticed that and they realized that the palestinian there now are totally convinced that the only way to deal with this occupation and to deal with this colonial power is and to at the beginning you know a small group. thing, but apparently it started to grow and it started also to affect

the whole west bank. now the israeli, they claim that they want to put an end to these this resistance groups, but apparently it's not the case only, because when they go there and they destroy everything and especially the infrastructure of the cities, city like ginine, it's not only in the refugee camp, but in the city itself, the roads, the electricity, the water system, the suish system, everything and you you can see also some of the pictures here from gin, these pictures, yeah, then you can imagine what's the idea, the israeli troops, they told the people in geneine and leave, leave the refugee camp, we don't want you here, go outside the country, this is, so so they are making life also unbearable and miserable for the palestinians in in in the west bank, little alone the other. actions that's taken by israeli army and policies regarding the

settlements, the settlers who are attacking the palestinian villages, so we think that next it will be the west bank, and we have enough evidence by all these ministers who are you know encouraging the government to go ahead an operation similar to what's going on in gaza, maybe with some differences, but you know to use the same force, used in gaza in the west bank uh make here ministers from muslim and european countries along with the european union's foreign affairs chief, they've gathered in madrid to discuss a two-state solution uh to the uh israeli palestinian conflict. now the meeting is called for a clear schedule for the international community implement two-state solution in the occupied territories and also for sease fire in the gaza strip and the delivery of humanitarian aid. first of all give us your thoughts regarding the issue of the two states of the israelies have effectively terminated that, they've made it impossible with their illegal settlement

expansions and their land grap policies. in addition to that, also does this meeting show that so many countries worldwide are now going against the agenda being pushed by the us, israel and co? yes and yes, the american pres american prestige around the world, often based on violence, but also some... times on soft so-called soft power is uh is plummeting around the world when america talks about human rights and two-state solution people say one word gaza and that's enough to silence silence those with any sense of shame. the two-state solution was always an illusion, it was perhaps a necessary illusion when people are desperate, but ever since the inception of zionism their plan has been abundantly clear. "they want all of palestine with either no or very, very

few palestinians permitted to remain. nothing in the history of zionism has changed that, and all the spolks people, well before netanyahu, who's very crude and open, but his predecessors also had this idea, they just spoke differently, but the plan was always from the beginning of thesign project to remove all the native people as the..." thought as they think had been successfully done in large parts of north america, australia, canada and so on, and they were merely building on this horrendous history of european ethnic cleansing, so that was always the plan, but the talk of the two state solution was just in order to give western governments a pretense for doing nothing, when they looked at the crimes, the barbarity of israel before october the 7th, when they looked at this barbarity. there's popular pressure to do something, the response has always been two state solution sometime in

the future, but in the meantime we will not take any sanctions against this murderous regime, so the two state solution, the sooner it, the sooner it goes in the bend the better, because the problem is not that israel wants part of palestine, the problem is that israel wants all of palestine and probably some areas beyond it, not not the lunatic fringe but some sections. the israeli cabinet, but also others are talking about overturning the monarchy in jordan and expanding even into jordan, so there's nothing to... suggest that the appetite of the zionists to drive out natives and replace them is limited even to historic palestine. so that's the first thing. the second thing is many of our governments are deeply embarrassed because israel seems to be insane. popular opinion is running very very strongly against israel. great majorities in every country in germany and britain and

elsewhere favor an immediate cease fire and are very critical of what israel has done. we have the international court, i think was yesterday or the day before, even even the weathervin who's at the head of the united nations general sec has has condemned israel's extreme violations of human rights, so we've reached a situation where i think many of us have learned a lot, before october the 7th, many of us knew that in algeria or vietnam or anywhere else, the price of freedom for the palestinians would be huge, but that they could secure freedom, but we didn't understand how that... proceed, now we see that palestinians are paying huge price in suffering and killing and death and mayming, but israel has lost, it's lost the struggle against the resistance, but it has also lost even perhaps the equally important struggle for worldwide public opinion that has swung decisively against israel as never before, professor nimr uh political leader of

uh hamas, yahya sinwar. has recently sent a message to uh hez say hailed the lebanese resistance movement support for palestinians unpack for us uh this strong ties that exists between the resistance and their leaders that has been display time and a time time and time again like with this letter yeah i think that uh uh the um new realities created after the 7th of october one of those realities is in the regional level, let alone the one inside palestine and internal palestinian politics, the one also affecting israel inside israel itself and the internal politics also, and the third change is the regional, and on the regional one, now we are talking about axle of resistance consist of

hizballah, syria, iraq, yemen, and the... an resistance, so we are talking about one front against the aggression in the region in in the opposition to the what the united states and israel wanted in the region, what they wanted to, normalize relationship between israel and some gulf states and to form kind of a coalition led by israel top to say that this is the power you ' against iran and to prevent the expansion under their pretension of iranian forces in in the in the region, in reality what happened that this war the 7th of october showed clearly that israel is weaker than they thought and it it it can't even you know defend itself and and they

can't even you know when in in a a war that they are number four as as as an army and number one in the middle east and they couldn't end you know the palestinian resistance in gaza after now we are entering our 12 months of this genocide and that prove also by hizballah and the yemanies and the iraqies that this front from now anything in the middle east is going to happen by the americans and for the interest of the americans and israel with it and i do agree absolutely with mic because the appetite of this zionism as a colonial power is going to to exceed only palestine and they wanted even be in in more areas and particularly maybe in jordan and parts of syria as well and lebanon so uh there there have to be now kind of new reality in the region that we are talking about axel of of resistance who are sticking

each other so definitely from sinwar point of view the palestinan resistance if you want and hamas. "the help of hizballah and the hazballah interference in this war and this war going on in the north of palestine definitely had helped lot the palestinian resistance in gaza and is the situation even because the israeli have to move many of their troops to the north so this kind of relationship it is kind of a relationship which is based on on mutual interest for us as" people who wanted freedom and wanted to get rid of the colonial powers in the region and the interest of of america in the region and the control of america and israel of the region to be free. in in the region, this is new reality was created after the 7th of october and from now on israel had to consider it, america has to consider it, and

if they want to go into a regional war as israel try to pull the americans into a regional war, it means now that we are talking about this axle is going to be involved not only one country by one country as israel used to to do to fight you know in against one country. but now it's totally different situation where we have axel of resistance. abnapur your families of israeli captives uh in gaza have held a new protest in tel aviv calling uh for deal with the palestinian resistance groups. israel has been the scene of such anti-netanyahu rallies for months as uh netanyahu is being accused of systematically obstructing the ceasefire for his personal and political gains. he's also failed to achieve any of... the stated military goals following the regime's invasion of gaza, is netanyahu prolonging this war just to keep his head above water? well, of course he has a personal interest in

avoiding going in into an israeli jail cell, but you know he he also he's also failing and i think not just israeli public opinion, which is often very violent and hostile towards the palestinians, but not just israeli. public opinion, but also the americans, they they they can forgive almost anything except failure and netanyahu's failing. i mean, this could this, we have to look back at at israel's huge successes in the past in 67 israel defeated three arab armies in six days, they, but since then israel hasn't really want a war, and and the and the their ability to terrorize the neighborhood. whole middle east is being reduced by hisbollah in 2006, by the by by the resistance today by the yemenis as well, so i think what we're seeing is definitely

the beginning of the end of zionism because the zin is pitch to britain and then to america, was we can be your policeman in the area, you don't need to have boots on the ground, we can be the attack dog for europe or for america and we can chastize powers in the region, countries in the region which america. uh disapproves of, that's no longer the case. i mean, they cannot, as as sads pointed out, they cannot even defeat lightly armed irregular irregulars in gaza, who have no place to retreat to, um, that they're unable to to to achieve very much without a a permanent supply of american billions, literally billions of dollars and 2ous pound bombs, airlifted. to israel simply to allow israel not to be completely humiliated by by the palestinian resistance, so the zionist ploy, design is claim that they could be asset to the collective west, it's shown to

be tatters, when they come into when they come into a conflict with local actors, they need america in order to support them and britain and france and others, so i think uh, the failure of designers project, not just the failure of netanyahu and his generals, over the last 11 months is going to be looked back on from the from the vantage point of history as very very dramatic, very significant, and we not only hope, but i think coldly and and and and by calculating calmly, i think we might be watching the beginning of the end of design is nightmare, and one last question for professor nimr uh briefly if you make buse we're running short of time, the us, it's facing widespread protests and demonstrations for its complicity in... the gaza genocide, most notably at university campuses, which are gaining steam again in the new semester, uh, what do these protests say about the increased level of public awareness regarding

the israeli crimes and how can american politicians just ignore the anger over this war, and uh, with uh, with americans tax dollars being sent off to fund this genocide, most american and even western politicians haven't even second guest their support uh for israelis: yeah, and that's exactly the fourth level of the effect of the 7th of october, which the international one, and especially in the united states, now at this moment, the democrats and especially camilla harris who's running for presidency by the democrats is is getting really in a very very tight situation and very bad situation, on the one hand, there is... the arabs and muslims in america and the movement of the students and the young people in united states who are against the policies of the administration to support israel in this war

and to participate in this war in all levels and on the other hand she had the zinest lobby and the the those who are in support of of israel and she can't also you know offend them by saying something that could help the palestinian in any way so i think that gaza is all over this elections now in in in in. america and it might be the reason of camilla harris to lose the election in america because of the situation, she is losing now huge number of young people in america because of her situation and i believe now after the return of the students back to schools and universities we will witness more and more of this activities in in in united states. thank you very much professor sad

nimr. professor political science at beerzade university joining us from ramala and thanks to mr. mc napier, co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign, joining us from glasgow, and also special thanks to our viewers for staying with us tonight's edition spot night, it's good night for now and see you next time. from the environment to business and economy, to civil and human rights, to treaties and agreements, to war and conflicts, we bring you the overlooked aspects of world events and news from the farflunged corners of the globe. 10 minutes only on press tv.

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