the universal declaration of human rights, for example, there is no enforcement mechanism, so one has to be crafted, and for one to be crafted, it basically has to be supported by security council, and the us makes sure, makes sure that never happens in the meantime, for its part israel has totally turned against the united nations, it's been killing hundreds and hundreds of united nations employees, it's banned the... the the head of the un as a person gratha in israel ban from entering israel, mean that ought to be enough really for the for the for the general assembly and for that matter security council to get together and revoke israel's membership as member state, which was obtained under false pretenses anyway, there were promises made when israel received un recognition, namely that it would abide by of

the borders in the in the aborted 1948 partition plan and that it would allow a right of return to palestinians and that jerusalem would be a special territory under intern as a sort of international protectorate because of its unusual historical significance, all those things went out the window with the first war that... even though they like to say was started by the arab world, it was in fact started by the israelis, so you now, what, what, what, what the occupation is now doing to the un in my humble opinion, warrants serious inquiry into ejecting them to to as member of the united nations, thank you. let

me also welcome our go ahead, go ahead barry, finish what you're saying, just like one last, i mean today bb was back on again and he was attacking macron, who's not one of my favorite people, none of them are, okay, uh, but he said he should hang his head in shame for supporting the barbarians, because macron basically took the position that they were gonna unilaterally adopt an arms in bardo, so no arms from france, and he went to say it's it's entirely... impossible to reconcile a country claiming to want and to support a cease spire is the us does, but nevertheless in continue to supply the lion share of arms that are being used by the occupation against of palestinians and the lebanese like the us does, and number two in the line is germany. um, and that's absurd. and to level the to level the playing field, macren pointed out, although he... see that you know some right

for israel to defend itself, which is a misguided notion, um, but but but he said to level the playing field, there ought to be an arms embargo placed on israel, which is of course what the un and everybody did with yemen for no good reason. okay, let me also very if you stand by and allow me to also of welcome our press tv colleague madiam az here in our tehran uh studios, welcome to the uh one-year anniversary madiam of operation alaxa flood of by palestinian resistance as well as the one-year mark of the unfortunate uh campaign of genocide in gaza that's also uh very bitter sweet day it's result in over 42,00 palestinian deaths, mostly women and children and the almost complete annihilation of palestinian infrastructure in gaza and now a campaign that's expanded into lebanese soil as we've seen uh neighborhoods and also

starting to suffer the same fate. mariam, your initial thoughts as you join our program. well, thank you, danny. now first of all we have to pay attention to the fact that 42,00 is only the number of people who have been identified. the way designist regime has been destroying schools and hospitals and bombing everywhere indiscriminately, the actually the actual uh basically estimates are above 120,000 people murdered and this is this is very important because lot of time in what they do is they the the bodies are so badly uh destroyed and uh buried and you know everything that the zianist regime does, so it's actually the actual numbers are much higher than that, but not that it would make it really an actual difference to those running the the world for the most part right, so we had um it it started from gaza and um of course what they did because finally, i mean today is october 7 right, on october 7, why did the world learn about the... palestinian genocide, because it's not

like designist just started bombing palestine, it's not just like designs just started taking palestinian homes, killing palestinian children, shooting like snipers shooting palestinian. children in the head did not start following october 7 right, so on october 7, october 7 was the date that the world found out, and why did the world find out? because for the first time it was actually the ziners who were paying fairly big price, that enough zinis were actually um killed, and later it was found out that it was by the israeli regime itself, so they were saying what 1,200 dyonas they were killed, and um later from their own army it was discovered that because of the alaqsa flood operation then they were told to shoot and they were not careful and they they were basically uh told to shoot at everyone and that ended up killing lot of the zionists so the reason we actually found out about the

genocide going on in palestine for over 70 years is because for the first time design is paid a price and this is when they went all out this is when they basically you know before they were it was controlled, it was in smaller numbers, before it was one village a time that they would rape and plunder and destroy and then they would move in, you know, this is what would happen before, and because it was more slowly, mean they would build illegal settlements and and as my colleague said um the un would you know will basically say well this is illegal, but what were there any laws to be enforced? no, that's not that did not did not happen, so what happened following october 7 following the... aqsa flot operation was because for the first time designist actually paid a price for the genocide they had been committing, then they started this crazy bombardment and this crazy campaign and killing everyone and breaking every single rule in the un charters uh who said you

cannot uh kill journalists, mean they have killed more than 170 journalists in only one year alone and it's not only palestinian journalists, they also killed american journalists and that's what tells you that you know american lives only matter if uh they're taken by you know somebody from uh not not from the western hijamonic front basically so uh they they killed and bombed and you know snights journalist they uh bombed hospitals and schools they bombed civilian areas they took they took hospitals under siege and they raped patients mean this is about as gruesome as any uh i we we cannot even call this an animal, mean this is this is really something that you can, this is they have expanded our imagination of what can be done, mean we had heard about we had heard these stories that lot of it also we didn't know if it was true or not about holocaust and we thought that nothing worse

could happen and look at what happened, look at what they have been doing in committing this holocaust in palestine, so all of this time they have been killing this many children, they have been killing. this many people and everybody in the world seeing it, so now with what we had heard from the holocaust and everybody was constantly saying, oh, if i were there at the time, i would have done something, i wouldn't have let this happen. now this happened for the first time, i mean this is a genocide that's basically happening live, everybody around the world pretty much can see it, despite all the censorship, because of how many people are affected and how many people are sharing, actually putting social media to good use, and um, "this is this is this is really major right, but despite all everybody finding out, despite all of these countries that constantly talked about democracy and human rights, mean we know lot of the invasions of the us happened under the flag of democracy, exporting democracy, helping these poor people free themselves from dictatorships,

right? this was the whole talk, and now for the first time the people saw all of these lies about the world being debunked, the lie that the us stands for democracy and human..." rights or that the west stands for democracy and human rights, the lie that the west stands for freedom of speech, just a while back we saw a bunch of uh german police chasing down a 10-year old boy because he was holding a palestinian flag and then arresting him, i mean this is these things you did not see out in the open uh the lie of you know arab brotherhood, where are all these arab leaders? i mean these this is not, i mean we're talking about the resistance that's fighting for these people, actually lot of this resistance. consider predominantly shia, so so i mean, and with all the basically divide that the western powers had tried for years to so between the sunnis and the shia constantly telling the sunnis, the shias are not even muslim right, so now we have shia muslims fighting and basically making major

sacrifices and then we have these arab leaders, their people are speaking up out, the their people are trying to do everything they can, but these regimes are not... allowing for protests, are not allowing for, like in saudi arabia, a preacher cannot go and preach against the zinest regime and the crimes it's committing, why is that the case? mean, are they not the the holiest? muslim sights you and madina are in saudi arabia right, so all of these lies that have been debonged that, there's freedom of speech, there's democracy, and the law of the united nations, i mean we had been told uh, as my colleague said, you know, there was an arms embargo on yemen, why yemen, i mean, which count, which nation did they commit genocide on, which people did the yemenis kill, this is really ridiculous right, but we saw that the same international organizations that were always expressing concern and... "and we're very quick to sanction actually, i mean, yes, yes, in in some ways, they may not

have what it takes basically to actually enforce the rules on everyone, but we saw really well how they actually enforced a lot of sanctions on russia even though russia was veto holder, so i mean because the russia, because russia was veto holder, it actually managed to survive to a great part, but they actually they they imposed major sanctions, they they put lot of pressure on russia." because of ukraine and now what we see a genocide in palestine, so people across the world are started to question, they be like, okay, so if the goal of the un, if the un was created to protect human rights, if the un was created uh to basically prevent a genocide, to uh allow for never again that they had always said, then where is the un, where is the un all this time, and and the problem with that was also that because they ' talked about the un as source of rules, as source of enforcement also, um, then they

said, okay, there's no need for resistance, right, uh, we don't need, we don't need these you know resistance groups, we don't need hamas, oh, each country can have an army, we don't need hizbillah, you know, each country can have an army, well where is the lebanese army now as the lebanese people are being bombed to shreads, where is the lebanese army? i would really like to, and i'm sure people across the world are questioning that, and they're saying, okay, so you told us, that here's this world which has laws, which has a un charter, and the un charter will be enforced and they will prevent the uh the basically violation of human rights a great scale, now everybody sees that there is no such a world, that there are there is no such enforcement, that is pretty much every man for his own, and it's the western hijamonic front, and it's the same colonialist who before would just invade a country very without any... excuse and murder people and steal their sources and take its people slaves, but now they're doing the same thing

a much more seemingly civilized manner, but what the scientists did was they destroyed that image of civilization for the western hijamonic front? thanks man, if i just uh like to update our our viewers were on the one-year anniversary of operation alexa flood here uh with our special coverage on press tv, that was when the hamas resistance movement along with other power. palestinian resistance uh factions breach the so-called gaza fence first by uh launching thousands of rockets into occupied uh palestine, he really occupied palestinian territories and then breaching that so-called gaza fence with um uh drones and bulldozers, motorcycles and trucks and even paragliders and then storming dozens of uh israeli settlements um also uh getting involved uh in gun fights with a occupation force soldiers on the ground in those uh settlements as well as armed

settlers and and it resulted over 1200 israeli fatalities and over 250 captives were brought back to the besieged gaza strip an operation that hamas uh later called on january in a 16 page report that it put out it said our narrative operation of flood it said is necessary step um and natural reaction against israel's. plans to eliminate the palestinian cause, seize lands, judaides, palestinian territories, and establish complete control over the alaxa mosk and holy sites. just an occupied west bank, we should add, leading up to operation alxa flood. there were over 700, which was a record in over 30 years as of january 1st of last year up to october the 6th, over 700 settler attacks against palestinians. their vehicles, their businesses, their homes and to their persons there in the occupied west bank, which which was uh, unprecedented in over 30

years under an extreme far right cabinet led by uh current israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, palestinians un occupied west bank said that they were getting zero protection from the occupation - military or police when they'd call in these uh unprecedented attacks upon them by um - settlers there in the west bank and then gaza just uh the month preceeding operation alax of flood, there was an also an unprecedented blockade on the entry points where the uh the regime was trying to many say provoke. the palestinians keeping trucks with aid at the uh the entry points into gaza two to three weeks a time, lot of time with food stuff often with food stuff inside that would perishables that would perish, so obviously uh resistance in in gaza felt this was uh all designed to push him to a breaking point, we all culminated ultimately in operation alexa flood uh we

have barry grossman uh joining us out of bali indonesia international lawyer and also uh um um mariam az chair. our terron uh studios, one of our press of colleagues right here in the iranian uh capital. barry, i'm going to come back to you. you mentioned enforcement that uh, why uh palestinians for the decades, long end occupation cannot get the kind of recourse or political protection. you said there's a lack of enforcement. my question to you, when you have this level of violence that erupts, we have the entire region right now, on the precipice of possible war because the decades long zinanis. occupation, ethnic cleansing and in the last year blatant genocide against a palestinis, when you see these kind of consequences as a uh basically as a repercussion of the fact that we don't have the kind of proper enforcement, doesn't that make it that much more pressing for you to address it, to to possibly push for some kind of reform to address a situation,

because you see that the fallout from not addressing it, how it's impacting not... just the region, not just the palestinians, but possibly the entire world bury, and that's still, mean to miriam's point, you have a thing called the security council, mean, perhaps it should be called the western mafia council, because here is a council too inept of getting security to the palestinian people, what is the point of this council, barry? well, i personally take to you that, if people were to think about it. and read the charter that there actually is mechanism for the general assembly to seiz itself of issue exclusively that is to the exclusion of the security council, once it's become apparent that the security council is either unwilling or unable to do its job in order to

achieve regional security and peace and guarantee people their basic human. rights, unfortunately uh, the general assembly is basically a holiday camp for the the the youngsters of of rich people okay, you know, they get to travel the world and get to think themselves as important and do interesting work, and they don't really achieve very much, and nothing they do is binding in any sense, and then we're stuck with the security council, and the whole thing was set up of course, not, uh as the charter claims uh to among other things respect the the the national sovereignty of every member state, rather was set up to impose the uh atlant, the us led atlantic world view of the international rules-based order on the rest the world, and countries like the united

states are far too exceptional to themselves, bound by anything that qualifies as international law, for example, when the last war in iraq took place, the one of the first things they did was exempt themselves from the geneva conventions, with with some absurd argument that it could be used to to sort of control their their military tactics and strategies, but it's not there for them, it's there for... then to use to force other people to comply and embrace us policy, which certainly since about the year 2000 has been crafted by this group that we've come to call the neoconservatives, which are mostly also zionists, and you talk, they talk very openly

in their project for the new american century, they called it, about getting the us a position to take advantage. of status is the all remaining superpower so that it could fight multiple wars on multiple fronts, we had general clark saying they actually had a plan to attack seven countries and destroy them basically and they've done it to all about one which is iran that's left now iran and lebanon, lebanon's you know has problems um to militarize everything, to militarize the economy, to militarize the internet to... militarize space, to militarize the the media, so everything is set up to push this us dominated atlantic world hegemony on the rest of... the world, which they only want really to be able to buy their natural resources cheaply and then have their multinational corporations make garbage and

sell it to them very expensively to the destruction of their own domestic manufacturing sector and retailing sector, so that's what it's all about, it's about making money or us and european-based corporate. and oddly enough the modern breed of politician would argue that it's totally total lunity to imagine that there's any other way to govern for the benefit of the people then to promote economic policies which favor these very large corporations so that they can create the jobs that keep the rest of the the population employed and ticking over and living out their dreams, so there is, there really are no enforcement mechanisms at the

end of the day, unless the us uses its considerable power to force an enforcement mechanism, as it did in in many instances where a war crime tribunal was set up under the auspices of the un. specialist tribunals, my long time ago mentor was the chief prosecutor at the hay when it came to the former yugoslavia and the rond and war crimes and everything else, and of course they found solutions there, some of them very questionable, and they put people in prison and and they they they forced, they pushed for enforcement and they got it, but i can, i can't think of a single instance. in which any atlantic world power has been held accountable for its own violations of of

international law, including the commission of crimes against humanity, and we have the nurenburg principles, they don't seem to count anymore, we have all of these treaties and stuff, we had the immigration, we had about the rights of refugees, you know, that was all thrown away, it turned out. once the refugees started to flow from africa and syria, because europe, and before that australia decided that, no, no, no, those rights that we recognized before were for white people flee fleeing the soviet fleeing communism from the soviet union, it's not just for everybody, so then they started pushing these boats back out to sees, so people would die, which is a complete violation of the law. the sea, for example, the traditional view is when there's a ship in distress, every ship in the area should drop everything and go and try and help. now

governments actually force people to find the ship and push it back out to see no matter what b, no matter how bad a condition, and thousands of people have died that way, so we're in a whole new error, the rule of law is gone, laws are gone, we've had secret courts set up. everywhere, we have legislation has been acted in most atlantic world countries that empowers the security apparatus to commit crimes, including very serious crimes up to including murder and be be protective from prosecution. um, so these are very different times and we see governments basically thumbbing their nose at the law, it won't be very... long before people start doing the same and the you know something's going to come home to root, we look at countries like the united states now

and is coming a part of the scenes, it's the most important thing that they seem to have had going on in america in the last few years, if you speak to americans were the great toilet wars of the obama administration when people fought with inch of their life about who... should be able to use public toilets and whether men who identified as women should be able to use women's toilets and all that nonsense, but when it comes to real issues, like genuine genocide being perpetrated on millions of people in palestine by a bunch of thugs. most people, they might say it concerns them, but ultimately they're not prepared to do anything or give anything up or even modify their vote. depending on what the different parties have to say on the matter and the sad reality lot of that has to do with you lot of that has to do with with how it's all

depicted incorporate western. by also western politicians, how the gaza genoc, they're still talking about israel has a right to defend itself, they're still saying we stand behind israel and it's campaign of self-defense, year into this onslot, 16, kids dead, they're still talking about self-defense barry, that impacts people who aren't in the no, who aren't on social media, who aren't trying to peel layers of lies to get to the truth, that affects that, that unfortunately is huge block of the the voting constituency, absolutely. but on that particular point, you know, i was very impressed with the un rapporteur on palestine when she came out at the very beginning, said, no, no, no, stop, okay, there is no right to defend yourself as an occupying power against action taken by the people you're being occupied, the people you're occupying on occupied territory, forget about this, there's no right to defense, and and

also was very clear was made. very clear for anybody was paying attention that the un has repeatedly found that an occupied people have the right to engage in armed resistance, and of course during world war ii we saw lot of that, french did it, the greeks did it, the italians did it, the dutch did it, and over in america and in the united kingdom, they thought these people were heroes, okay, so it was all great when they were doing it. but the moment palestinians do it, they're terrorists. if you just, if you just express a view that is critical of israel and supportive of the palestinian cause, your terrorist, your hamas, or your hezbollah, you listen to talk, anyb, his rational is like the the, the us drone program, if you're

killed by a us drone, you must be a... terrorists because you were in the proximity of other people who we think we're terrorists. b's approaches, well, if you're not with us, then you're with them, and if you're with them, then you're with hamas and hezballah, and then you're a terrorist, and you deserve to die, even if you're only 18 months old. all right, barry, it's all pleasure you, you've been with us going on an hour and i want to thank you for your comprehensive contribution there to our rolling coverage here on press tv, stay safe, always a pleasure. to have you on uh mr. barry gross from their international lawyer joining us out of bally, indonesia uh we are now up on the one-year mark of the one-year anniversary of operation alexa flood by palestine resistance breaching uh israeli uccupied uh southern territories of uh palestine culminating in over 1200 dead and 250 taken uh captive back to gaza and then we saw the onslot.