ability at the moment and so i think when we're looking forward, i agree with your friend from from moscow, from russia, we may well be seeing the beginning of the end, the the the swan song for this monstrous end, state bth and blood in 48 uh, constantly massacring palestinians and egyptians and neighbors and so on until the present day, but an education, the palestinian resistance and now... of course are teaching the world something very very clear which which are governmentts wish to deny and that is that israel is source of barbarity and constant of war and that unless the west is prepared to support israel in these wars then those wars can easily be lost and uh thank you make julia before let you go um i know you're in moscow while russia and i want to give this question out to you - well russia we know it has its hands. full with the ukraine conflict

is been very vocal, russian authorities have uh mentioned gaza few times and now they are uh calling for deescalation in uh lebanon, tell us what a moscow stance has been on israel's destabilizing activities in the last year, yeah so both the the russia special operation in ukraine both blows on the united states in terms of germany ' destroying weaponry and capabilities draining the united states uh, so we can see that the special operations of blood in terms of their impacts on the united states, the the imperialist, the biggest imperialist world power that essentially pulls the draw strings on on all forms of occupation around the world, um, essentially the different... pieces in the

global puzzle of how the world has reoriented turning away from the spectra of global domination that the us has held for so long, so i think in the answer of alexa flood and in the months after, russia did surprise the world by kind of breaking from its usual sense of regional neutrality, because simply the conditions kind of forced to. um russia, the the zinist entity was furious at and we remember back in the special operationself, especially under netanyahu of course you had the opposition here and some of the other z officials, many were openly in support of the ukraine in alignment with the united states, but netanyahu for example wanted to... good

russia um and officially there was a policy of neutrality declared, the science entity didn't want to devert resources to the ukraine conflict, which both they saw as losing battle and another drain on his capabilities that it wanted to keep for itself, so of course after flood, that's contradiction between russia. this entity uh shifted and expanded more, especially given the foundation of alliance built between iran and russia um emits the ukraine war, the assistance given by iran and strone capabilities to russia, um, this essentially was was the the foundation of kind of russia further positioning itself - in in in

opposition with the the us and its global consensus for the world, not only in just economic or diplomatic terms, but also in terms of of military stances, um, we remember in the statements that came from putin from navenza, the russian representative at the un fromova, they all constantly put out message of um just condemnation for was doing and what was committing and nevanza said right there in in november that occupying power recognized that it was an occupying power in palestine putin we remember when the hospital was was blown up by the z and to be killing

hundreds and hundreds of children and innocence inside the hospital, um, expressed his disgust saying that is... rolls up in tears every time he thinks about it, and of course these condemnations increase as russia need stands more and more clear ally syria was also getting bombed by designity, it watched as this aggression was expanding into to lebanon as well, and of course there were rumors that russia was with iranian cooperation supplying weapons to the... as well as retaliation for the us and attack further into russian civilian villages and airports operation and its massacres in west russia, so i think by by circumstance and by

the natural alignments of the of kind of the world the face of the israeli uum unindered work. times, it's really brought out this this stance in russia that it has tried to keep neutral for a long time, this is one of the consequences of al flood, forcing and shocking the world out of its neutrality, forcing a realignment in the global orientation of the us in israel, not just in our region also but in the world, you asked earlier about report that it released in january about why it's committed, why did it carry out flood operations for it, especially as the the emotional side of us was constantly grip by the massacers innocence,

the world was that was the verge of of normalization that was that was happening between saudi arabia. any of the arab nations that would completely set on course for erasing the palestinian causes and resolving any chance of palestinian sovereignty and of course russia wasn't gonna take a position where it was more pro palestinian then um it's then the largest nations in the region so it wasn't really having any objections then but after the al after the resistance had shown its power and its capability, after the resistance had fought for the sovereignty, the true sovereignty of palestine and of resisting arab nations, not just falling into the consensus laid out for them by the and the united states, it had

proved itself also as sovereign force that moscow has invited at the table number of times, moscow has recognized hamas as ' legitimate um political force as well as a resistant force. um, the russian soldiers, of course, from their experiences in syria have for the most part a favorable and diplomatic view of hezballah, which has advocated for russia's russian cooperation in a number of economic and infrastruc projects in lebanon, so um... of course, we see the con the positive consequences of necessity of flood show up in the position and orientation of the multipolar world, as the resistance showing that an alternative to the israeli consensus of governance in the region is possible. thank you, julia, stay safe, pleasure to have you on julia cossum, our

press tv colleague there joining us out of moscow, we saw mr. mick napier on the line uh joining us out of glasgow, co-founder of scottish, palestine solidarity. um uh movement and i believe we also have mr. jamal wakim about to join or not sure if he's joined us uh yet, but as soon as he does, we'll uh we'll swing over to mr. jamal as well uh mick, you mentioned uh the let me also update our for viewers that are just joining us, we're in the middle of rolling coverage on the one-year anniversary of operation alax of flood launched by palestinian resistance against israeli regime uh targeting is really settlements initially on the morning of october 7th with rockets and then a complete uh infiltration of the uh breach of the barrier between uh gaza and occupied israeli occupied palestinian territories uh 119 different breaches of that so-called fence uh along the um uh uh barrier there um and the palestine resistance

factions using motorcycles, trucks and paragliders, they poured into israel uh settlements and had skirmishes with occupation for soldiers, the uh resulting death tool was 1200 dead, 250 uh settlers were taken captives or taken captive that is and back to the besieg gaza strip where uh many have died in the last year due to unrelinting israeli bombardment uh over h were change in a prisoner swap uh supposedly 100 plus uh are still being held in gaza as we speak, we're 365 days uh on the anniversary now of operation alax of flood, but also a campaign of genocide launched by israel against the palestinians of gaza, that's resulted in over 42,00 dead, 97,00 injured, and these are just official tallies, actual numbers are believed to be much higher. mick, you mentioned that rape by the soldiers and you said it so uh uh nonsallantly that i wanted to actually highlight it for our viewers that may have

missed it that um in the end of july is really far right protesters they broke into an army base and it shows support for soldiers that have been accused of severely mistreating uh a palestinian uh prisoner but many palestinian prisoners had given accounts that were released of same exact kind of maltreatment at the hands of zionist occupation uh at least nine soldiers at the base were accused of a abusing this palestinian detaining that mr. mcnape here just earlier uh uh mentioned a resistance fighter who was captured in um gaza, he said to have been hospitalized after what israeli media reported as serious sexual abuse and injuries, and i can't mention where, but i could just say to his lower extremities where that left him unable to walk, as a result, and this was at the saday... on military base, he was his uh injuries were so severe he had to be transported to an outside

hospital, it was nurses and doctors at that outside hospital that were solarmed by his mistreatment and his abuse that they notified ngos and a proper authorities to get his story out and as a result uh we saw dozens of protesters including a far right uh members of kenness and also members of the ruling coalition of benjam's ruling coalition with the... take over not just this uh military base, also second military base that the nine reservists were initially taken to for questioning, they stormed them to try to get these anine rapists released by force, and they're chanting we will will not abandon our friends, mick, to your point, this is the mindset that palestinians have been dealing with for decades and this is the kind of people and the kind of ideology that they've been dealing with. for 75 years? yes, i we

have to spare your viewers the details, because the details would keep you awake at night, but for me the interesting thing is not the savagery of the actual torturers and and in many cases the the the killers and because many palestinians have been mick, i don't mean to cut you off, can you hold on just about a couple minutes, apparently? jamal will keen waiting 20 minutes to speak and and i just i totally forgot that he was on standby, i'm going to come back to you, pick up, pick up exactly, i mean i laid out the question and and mentioned you could pick off exactly where you left off, let me go and welcome mr. jamal waakim uh to the conversation uh jamal, i really want to apologize, they told me that you're on standby, i totally forgot, i got uh caught up in reading this uh this this report about these nine and it got me so uh discombobulated, i totally forgot you're on standby, i want to apologize. to you, your initial thoughts, jamal, welcome to our conversation, thank you, mr. jamal wakim,

yeah, i can hear you, yes, yeah, i wanted to apologize for having you wait so long, don't worry, go ahead, your initial thoughts please, well, i believe that it's an ongoing battle that has regional and international dimensions. it's not only confined to the land of palestine, but it's also entails or have repercussions on the whole region, because the zionist project is not limited to palestine, but it in it aims that reshaping the whole region to fit. plans in the region and to fit the project, the american project

for hegemony in this region to use it as base against iran, russia and china. that's why we saw that the united states has been sponsoring this israeli aggression on gaza, lebanon and other countries, not only since year, but over the past three decades. uh not to forget about the ongoing struggle since a century now, so i believe that now we're heading to towards a new phase where the zionists are trying to reshape the whole politics of lebanon, not only to direct accu against hisballah, and their aim is to direct a severe blow to iran's ally in the region, which serves as the link between iran and

other allies throughout the region, including the resistance in iraq ' syria, lebanon, of course, palestine and yemen, so and now we're preparing or let's say we should be ready or waiting for for potential israeli aggression against iran, because israel considers iran as a strat, it's not, its hostility to iran is not ' liming only from the fact that iran is supporting resistance groups, but from the fact that israel cannot afford to have a strong muslim state, especially in the middle east, and that's why it's trying not only to destroy iran's nuclear program, but also to

destroy iran as an islamic republic and to subdue it to western. influence, so now we are reaching unprecedented tensions in the region, that might lead to a regional war, and this will have very serious impact on the stability in the region and throughout the world. thank you professor, and i want to come back to mr m also join us a glass, make put a question. to about the israeli mindset, a 12-year-old palestinian boy throws a rock at an israeli tank, they call him a terrorist, yet the the state sanctioned, there is not a level of terrorism that the zianist entity has not basically unleashed, there's not one, i mean you mentioned the pagers, you mention the the walkie talkies, you mention the rapes, the using food of fuel

as a weapon of war, the list goes on of what constitute unleashing. a civilian population, there is not one iota that that doesn't go on that list that israel is not employed against the palestinians over the years and lot of it just over the last 12 months, mick? yes, i think that the most chilling thing about what's been going on is that the israeli public has been so brutalized that they have no objection to the worst atrocities being committed. against palestinians, but this goes back very long way, um, i was just looking at some examples in the past of terrible massacres of civilians and one general for example admitted in the israeli media that he massacred hundreds and hundreds of egyptian civilians, quary workers as well as prisoners uh obviously military, so not

just military but many many civilians and he boasted about this in the media and there were no charges against. of course, and people can call for the extermination of palestinians publicly, uh, ben givier who's the police minister and and and has great powers in the israeli government, was once for cosmetic reasons characterized by the americans as a terrorist, and he was put on some sort of list in israel, um, but he's now in charge of the police, is distributing hundreds of thousands of automatic weapons to settlers and others in order to kill. palestinians and that is the situation that we find ourselves in, it's um, it's one of when you look at the crimes that have been publicized in israel, not just the disgusting examples that we're talking about, we see that we have a population which has so dehumanized the palestinians in their own minds anything goes, this is extremely

dangerous, mean what what your previous speaker pointed out is that there's very large stakes here. yeah, um, once america decided to back israel, as in a state committed to jewish supremacy, disposession and through violence of muslims and christians, once you play that card in the game, then many many other things follow from that, because you're other potential partners across the across the area, the saudis and the emirates, they have a problem with their own populations, they may wish to to suck up to... washington via tel aviv in jerusalem, but their populations know that this is an arab killing regime, that this is a muslim killing regime, which is going to destroy the alaxa mosk if... it possibly can, there's no question about that, so these regimes have a problem in in in going with the american pressure to recognize the state of israel,

and and you know, once you've played, once you've backed a state like a white supremacist state in south africa or a jewish supremacist state in the middle east, then you close off all sorts of other options, and so as we go forward, um, it could very well be that america has back. the wrong card, that the way alliances start to shift in the region, because of the alaxa flood, because the resistance in palestine and in lebanon, uh, people uh, who might wish to stand up against hisbollah will find it very difficult, if we remember during 2006, the saudis and the emirates were very quiet and were quietly assuring the americans that they would be very happy if the lebanese resistance were crushed, as that mood began to, as they began to... defeat the israelis uh as that as that the the the reputation went sky high across the middle east and across the muslim world and underound the world as well they began to criticize israel

and call for peace and a cease fire in lebanon so the americans have backed themselves into backing israel and once they do that there's a there's a logic that isolates them from the mass of the population and potentially regimes that support the zionist entity. will find themselves in in serious difficulty, i mean, but i'll just make one more point if i may, our governments are determined that popular opinion, public opinion across the across the west will never be allowed to shake the government support for israel, and don't take my word for it, even 20 years ago when a when an opinion poll showed that the great majority of people across the eu were hostile to israeli crimes, "the foreign minister, franco frattini apologized to israel for the opinions of europeans and really suggested that they were anti-semitic, but frattini also assured the

israel is on behalf of the eu, he's the official spokesman for the eu, that these opinions would never be allowed to influence policy, that is that our elites would continue to have technical, military, economic cooperation, sign sweetheart deals with israel, buy their technology tested on palestinians." despite overwhelming popular opposition, so our task as a solidarity movement is to build on the amazing achievements of the resistance and to channel that anger that already exists more effectively into solidarity with palestine and lebanon. thank you, mick there. professor waakim, we've seen a protest against benjamin netanyahu as a man, as a leader against his. cabinet, we've seen them in front of his home, in front of his office, throughout the streets of occupied palestine, but and we we've seen in the hundreds, we've seen dozens

upon dozens of these protests, but israelis we have yet to see them addressed wholesale slaughter, they address every dimension of this gaza genocide and and the this gaza onslot except for the fact that there's a wholesale slaughter of palestinian civilians taking. including women and children, they have hundreds of problems with benjamin netanyahu except the fact that the occupation forces at his order are slaughtering women and children in gaza, and that is one of the most absurd things that many of us have seen in our lifetimes. well, the protests against netanyahu do not stamp from a deep feeling that... respects human values and human rights, but it stems from the fact that netanyahu so far has failed to release the

prisoners of war, the israeli prisoners of war, captured by hamas and other resistance movements and this is causing huge on the families of these soldiers who uh had it not been for the participation of soldiers in the in the gaz war, they would have never went to, they would have never gone to the street to to protest, so had they been empower themselves, they would have committed the same crimes, after all we cannot rely on an israeli movement ' neither do we or can we rely on western public opinion or even institutions all we can rely on is our arms

and weapons and our will to fight in case insists on continuing it aggression, it's the resistance that will fail these projects by the israelis and it's the only way to protect the rights of the palestinian people and mick, i want to ask you is there a red line from your perspective, level of barbarism, at which point the us starts rethinking, it's uh, you know, it's all out support for israel, not that it will no longer support israel, but not to this level where it gets kart blank to stand back and just uh violate every single war crime there is, every single humanitarian, every single international law that is, and unleash on this scale a level of genocide against a civilian population, this

year ago, but i don't... we can anymore, because there are no red lines. the only the biden said quite recently, after some of the worst atrocities were clear everyone's mind that israel had not crossed any red line, so he would not delay, not cancel, but just delay the delivery of replenishing the the 200 pound bombs that america fairies to israel routinely. no, there's there's only one thing which israel which america cannot forgive. and that is failure um as long as i mean american aid by the way to israel until 1967 was very modest, it was mainly france and britain which supported design of state, it's after 1967 when israel defeated the armies of egypt, syria and jordan, uh, it was then that america looked up, and you look at the graph of aid to israel, after 1967, it goes through the roof, it's very modest and

then it's massive because america decided that they could back this uh regime in the middle east to patrol to police to be their attack dog against against local movements and regimes so but now israel hasn't really won a war since 1973 they were thought to a stand still really by the egyptians in 73 thanks to the heroism of the soldiers not not the generals uh they were defeated in in lebanon they're being defeated in uh in in gaza. by the by the resistance despite their ability to massacre, which nobody doubts, and so i think now israel faces failure, and if several failures are inflicted upon israel, it will cause huge rearrangement of the relationship with america, it could go back to 67 standards, it will cause a collapse of moral inside design, the state itself, and we know that huge proportion of israelis have two passports.