leader, he raised people, he grew up in front of them and they grew up with him, and they went to war together. these people, they are going to be loyal to the 30 or 40 years of education that he has given them that's still there, that people need to study and realize what it was that he taught them. i believe that yes, his loyal followers will be loyal to say because they never differentiated between the both of them. this was beyond being lebanese or iranian or yemeni or iraqi, this was... about going towards what is right and that's why you'll find in lebanon women who are christian uh men who are sunni drus whoever it is they are all weeping for the maridom of sayid hasan of course there are always going to be people that are talking about him being someone that they don't like or whatever he did or sectarianism these are all zionist talking points for sectarianism or trying to dissow uh dissow the unity between the factions which are against the...

colonial and imperial powers, this is the easiest and oldest trick in the book. the uh awesome silence of the arab states has never been more starkly displayed than this uh, most of them have not even condemned the israeli attack, the assassination, the slaughter of many hundreds of lebanese people, of all uh sects and faiths as you say. lebanon is a member of the arab league of who knew the arabs had league, it's a fourth division uh conference league if you remember your football uh from your uh time in london, but what can we expect from the arab masses who from marrakesh to bahrain overwhelmingly feel this... same way as you do as i do about

the crimes of netanyahu? ultimately, george, unfortunately, i don't believe that the arab states will make much of a difference, just like in the last year we've seen they haven't made much of a difference. it's very sad that we're still here actually. i remember all the talking shows that i was watching about year ago right in the beginning of the genocide in ghazza and the talking points are still the same now, it's just happening in lebanon. "i don't think the arab states are going to have much of an effect because at the end of the day they pal around for what america wants and what israel wants, they're not going to stand in their way, the only ones willing to hold them accountable are ones who are actually prepared to defend themselves even if it requires force, which is natural conclusion that any people would make, they would defend themselves, just like everyone says israel apparently has a right to defend itself, even though 82% of the..." between

lebanon and israel in the last year since october 7th has come from israel, even though since 2007 israel has broken 35,00 times the un resolution of 1701, so israel is doing all of this and they haven't stopped it in the last 15, 20, 30 years and they won't do anything about it now, the only way i believe we can help these people, of course it needs pressure as much as we can from the outside, but ultimately it's going to rely on the... indigenous people to protect and defend themselves and exhaust the zionist entity until it realizes that it's self-destructing and that's what it's doing right now, more killing and more destruction does not mean it's winning to win a war is to achieve objectives of war and they haven't been able to achieve any of these objectives of war. now the shoe that has not dropped is the iranian shoe when it drops if it drops it will be with heavy. do you still expect that

shoe to drop, do you expect it to be a significant game changing moment, or do you think that the current stasis will continue visas the now serial crimes that israel has committed against iran, the assassination of hania, the wounding of the iranian ambassador. uh in lebanon, the killing of the irgc uh deputy commander. i mean, iran now has lot of entirely lawful reasons for in of retaliation, are they going to take that offer? first of all, like i said, i respect the intelligence of sied hassan, i also expect respect the intelligence of say, but because of this, i would say that to do so to

interfere right now would be to suggest that the lebanese resistance is its final legs, which it isn't yet, which it just needs to readjust because of the damages that it has suffered in the... last two weeks, but there's still a lot for it to give. now the war against israel is mainly a war of attrition. it is in the benefit of those who resist israel for the war to carry on longer, because that's how you defeat a super power that is the most well-armed power and with the most intelligence perhaps in history. israel prefers to finish things quickly and make decisive blows, but that's why it is never able to achieve its objectives right? now okay, you killed the faces of the resistance in lebanon, but there's still all the masses that you don't know who they are, you don't know their faces and they all want revenge, so this is going to be very long war, and it is in the benefit of those who wish to see israel lose for the war to carry

on in a way that israel realizes that it has to concede to cease fire without the terms that it has set. now if that means eventually iran has to get involved, i don't see why it wouldn't eventually, but it benefits iran more to be involved in a war of attrition rather than to get into a big blow war with israel. said hussein, a remarkable interview, it will live long, i think uh, may god protect you, thanks for joining us on have it out with gallowe, let's go straight to the audience wall, it's a unique feature of this particular show that... the audience get to appear in person on the show. naim malik in germany is the first guest. naim, what's on your mind? good afternoon in the in the group, it seems to me watching all this thing

going on, that israel is taking one by one all the leaders and killing all th all these people, and we have been talking relying too much on iran. i don't think iran is... is going to do anything directly, it's only the local people who will have to keep on fighting, and i feel that greater israel, israel is on the way of formation, what do you think? well, they would very much like to, but uh, i don't think for one moment that they will successfully occupy, even apart of lebanon, lebanon may be the arab country i know best uh... which i've spent the most time, it's where i entered the arab and and muslim world through that portal of lebanon, i know the lebanese people and i know that they are never going to allow moment of peace for any foreign invader on their land, and so

any idea that they're going to occupy lebanon, even a part of lebanon up to the litani river is entirely fanciful. in my view, detto, if anyone i see uh on social media people saying they are going to try and occupy syria, i cannot think of any country in the whole world less likely successfully to be occupied than syria, not withstanding the syrian capacity, syria is a 54-year ally of russia, and russia will never allow israel to uh occupies. syria, so greater israel is what they would like, but whether they will achieve it is highly unlikely in my view. tom sullivan is a journalist in london. tom, what do you want to say? george, thank you for

having me. um, as you know, much better than i, iran has restrained itself from developing nuclear technology, not to put a target its back, but at the same time it's been... cultivating the the axiss of resistance as a way to balance against israel with the um assassination of nasrala and the attacks on hizballah as a group, how now can iran in your view balance against israel and push back to stop itself being attacked without taking steps like nuclear proliferation which we jumped on as a reason to attack it was saying some this morning they've been... talking about wanting to go to war with iran for 20 years now um and i'm not saying iran is perfect, but to me it looks like they're a kind of catch 20 do, they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't. how do you see them kind of getting out of this without taking all of us into a place where

we don't want to be? well, a great question, tom. i'm of course an opponent of nuclear weapons. i've been arrested and carried away by the police. i gave an interview to the bbc. upside down while being carried by four police officers protesting about nuclear weapons, but we can't have a world where some people are allowed to have nuclear weapons and threaten others. with them uh, while the potential victim of those nuclear weapons does not have the right to nuclear weapons. now i've said on this program before, of course i don't speak for iran, the iranians might not like me saying so, but if i was the leader of iran, i'd already have nuclear weapon, because the united states, britain, france, the enemies of iran, all have nuclear weapons and... israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons, never declared, secretly held,

illegally built, never inspected by the iaea or any international agency, why should israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons pointed at iran, but iran is not allowed to have nuclear weapons to defend itself, wasn't that the whole thesis of those who believe in nuclear weapons that they are mutually? assured destruction, that they keep the peace, that's the talking points of the nato talking heads, well if that was true for the nato and warsaw pact standoff, presumably it's also true between israel and iran. dr. rahana ali an old stamping ground of mine bradford, doctor, what would you like to say, thank you george, so um a quick comment. first of all so um informative um comments by your guest speaker, now he obviously

mentioned that this these attacks were you know via the united states and israel, but i think there there's a kind of important nuance there, yes the us absolutely is involved in this genocide of the holocaust in palestan as i call it, um, but the us is also occupied and i think this point is not often repeated because people fear being called anti-semites, let's not let's be clear who biden's cabinet. same applies to stamus, they have a dual loyalty to israel, so we have fifth column in actually various governments in the us, in the uk and throughout europe, so the just my question is actually that there's also this inversion of terrorism, so it's very clear, if it wasn't to people before that the israeli attacks on lebanon through the pages, now this assassination of said nasarlah, and if the claim true that actually nasaralah was willing to consider a cease fire, the they had promised that there

would be no resp iran would not respond if for example they did not respond to the killing of izmal h then this means that basically israel mean it should have been obvious to them anyway i think that israel's word this word cannot be trusted um so why is it that when it's clear who the terrorists are that you know there's been no attempts in the uk to prescribe whether? it would fail or not, i think it's important to do that it's israel that's the terrorist entity, and actually why is it that the resistance, which is perfectly legitimate and legal under international law, has there's never been an attempt to deproscribe it, because we know prity patel when she prescribed hamas in 2021, you hamas had been around since 1987, and my second question is also linked in terms of these actions, that's one particular action that i think would help uh our... support for palestine because they are basically criminalizing anyone who supports the resistance. my second question is, i was

at the um lundon protest just under fort night ago, and not a single psc speaker mentioned the most effective action. they said, what should we keep doing, we should keep marching? well, yes, that's to sure descent, but there is one important action and that's the action of voicots. well, i agree with that, doctor, i'll have to cut you short because of the time there's an awful lot of people want to. get on, let me deal with your last point first, uh, boycot is the most, the most effective weapon, and the reason why the organization you mention, with which i have no connection, on whose platforms i do not speak, uh, is that they are running scared of the false allegation that by seeking to boycot, divest and bring sanction against the settler. state that one is somehow being anti-semitic. this is completely false, it's a cowardly uh tactic

theirs and i have myself absolutely nothing to do with it or them. so some of these people love marching bause they can sell their far left newspapers to others on the march, they can brandish their far left group banners. they love marching from to z. over and over again, marching has its place, but boycot must never be underestimated as uh weapon. there's no point in uh talking right now about the de-proscription of the resistance organizations, because as your question implied, there is no possibility whatever of successfully doing that. i'm, i'm actually right now wondering if there's going to be a police officer at the door of this studio to arrest me for speaking my truth for

saying what i believe about the current situation. don't laugh because that could happen and has happened to many uh people, the idea of uh of that is belied by both of the main contenders for the british opposition leadership, leadership of the conservative party are literally vying with each other as to who can kiss the feet of netan yahu most passion. one of them says that every british airport should have a star of david next to the british flag at the border, that's what he said today, and the other said, the other leading contender said that people coming to britain to live must

pledge an oath of allegiance to israel, or be refused. entry, residence, citizenship, and those who have recently arrived, should be forced to pledge allegiance to israel, or be deported, just imagine that, that's the climate in which we are currently in. brah, hannicom is in cape town, one of my favorite cities in the world, brand, what's on your mind? good evening and george, thank you. thank you for the great work and solidarity, it's it's great to hear a fearless voice, especially in the west where like you said, things are even harder for for activists and people to stand up for the palestinian people, and of course the people and oppressed peoples of the world, my my my concern, and i think maybe you could give some insight george is during the struggle

for freedom in south africa, our people adopted armed struggle as a necessary. means to to resist the oppression and the land grabs and the colon colonial special special project of a partit. um, how does one explain and feed to the broader narrative that there's absolutely nothing wrong with an oppressed people raising arms to defend itself, that resistance is human right, and it isn't an act of terrorism, and and how does one expose against the western narrative and the highly funded? uh narrative of um west is right type nonsense, how does one expose their terrorism? um, i think it's really quite sad to see how in palestinian solidarity one almost has to be apologetic because they're always accused of anti-semitism and the the concept of advocating for the right to resist and the right of militant resistance is is human

right in fact so wanted to hear your input on that, thank you so much and thanks thanks. that call, uh, i was a part of your struggle, and a party was smashed between the hammer of armed resistance, led by the african national congress and mk, its military wing, it was smashed between that hammer and the anvil of international solidarity, a great national, international movement of solidarity. they was there through thick and thin, even when the anc, as they have since acknowledged, sometimes committed acts of uh military activity, which were themselves terrorist, it is terrorism to punish innocent people for

the crimes of guilty people, so it is terrorism to blow up uh shoppers. a mall uh, whoever does it, whenever they do it, there is a difference between resistance and terrorism, but because isolated acts like that did happen under nelson mandela's african national congress, that does not render the noble struggle of the anc and of mandela himself, as in any way plausibly be described as uh terrorism, so you are right, the right to bear arms against the illegal occupier of your land is sacred and legal one, and if uh, thank god, it never happened, if hitler, when he was at the channel ports in 1940, had succeeded in crossing the english channel and had occupied the united

kingdom, all decent, respectable, patriotic people would have taken up arms against the invader, against the occupier, some would have been out selling them financial services, you know who i mean? kevin is in edinburgh, let's hear from him. kevin, what's on your mind? all right, george, how you doing me? i'd like to, i'd like to say that obviously, i'm one of your fellow countrymen, but obviously you're no longer with other classes scottish, um, i would like to ask you one simple question um, that i've been kind of praying on my mind, i've been sitting listening quite intently to this um for the last 15, 20 minutes and it seems to be uh kind of islamic. propaganda and so i'd just like to ask you why do you support an ideology that has destroyed mostly civilized nations and i'm going to give you examples a

afghanistan, iran, egypt, these were all countries that were quite liberated from the 1940s onward until islam took over and sharia all took over, so that's my question to you, george, yeah, you're not as uh as nice as you look uh, and people will get that joke, but you're also very stupid. first of all, you have no right or ability to decide whether or not i am scottish. i'm afraid that right of excommunication doesn't uh extend to you in your squat. you don't have the power, the right uh to decide whether or not i am scottish. secondly, you seem to suppose uh uh "i support ideologies uh that you uh excoriate. i actually don't support uh the ideology of uh of the taliban in afghanistan.

if you weren't stupid, you would know that. if you weren't stupid, you would have researched my attitude to the taliban and their fathers, even grandfathers, going back to the 1980s. if you were not..." not stupid, you would know that it was me that told margaret thatcher that she had opened the gates to the barbarians and that a long dark night would now descend upon the people of afghanistan and so it did, so do your homework a bit uh before you next come on the air with me, take your knuckles, drag them across to your computer and... research the truth before you resort to slander. thank you for thank you for having me on the show. um, it's ironic that i get to speak after kevin.

um, my question was in and around, um, what is the, what is the goal of israel in the region? people have been talking about a complete regional conflict a comp complete war in the middle east between israel and its proxis and arab states in the middle east for some context like i said it's ironic that i get to speak up to kevin and after you responded to him in the 1967 1967 israel wanted territory of of of palestine in some parts of jordan as well as you remember and egypt was the one of the frontline states against against israel in the wars 1948 as well, so these arab states were fighting israel and unfortunately they lost with the of course the help of the superpowers of the

west, so in this particular instance, what do we see israel's goal as, because we know that there could be a brother regional war if iran does uh in essence respond or retail, what would be the interest of israel and and if this have? yeah, their interest is to bring the united states fully into the war, that's the only way that netanyahu can make fact of his rhetoric today that uh, iran is going to be destroyed, that the islamic revolution is going to be undone, that the cranks and terrorists under the wing of the empire are going somehow to attain power in teran the... only way that can happen, because netanyahu cannot make that happen, is if the americans join the war, even then i don't believe that would be achieved, because if the americans

joined the war and... against iran, i believe that russia, at least, and maybe russia and china would enter the war on the side of iran, so i don't believe that that goal can be achieved, but it's the only way that that goal could be achieved, the overarching purpose is to drive the opposition to the genocide in palestine farther and farther away to neuter. disarm, balcanize, break up the frontline states, suborn them, corrupt them uh into being pacific and being hostile to resistance, so they have achieved that in egypt, they have achieved that in jordan, they have not achieved that in lebanon, which is why lebanon is now the target, and the

reality is they want to... turn lebanon into another jordan into another egypt, in other words a frontline state that is its knees to them. i don't believe that that will be successfully achieved. great question though, derege yemeru is in addis ababa in ethiopia. d, what's on your mind? okay, good evening, how are you doing, george? by the grace of god, good, thank you. my question. question is what do you think will the assassination the hizbollah movement leader hassanlah will make the movement fracture or they use it as a strenges and what to expect next from the whole movement well look the there's there's no there is not two hassanlas so they haven't

picked their new leader. yet, they will do so in short order, i'm sure, and that leader, however competent, will not be hassan nasrella. hassan astralla was a man of a century, he was a man of great wit, a man of great wisdom, scholar, a philosopher, a military leader, and and national leader, and by that i mean the arab nation as a whole, even people of... different uh sects and confessions in islam, never mind in other faiths uh respected hasan nasrallah because of his special qualities that could not be denied even by his worst enemies, so he will not be easily replaced, so the style of the new leader uh will be different, but by the grace of youtube uh... the the the speeches

of hasan nasaralah will live forever, the line of hasan nasar allah will never die, will never dim, it will be accessible to every generation that comes after us, remastered, like the beatles abby road, it will be remastered decade after decade, so it's not that hasan nasaralah has disappeared, his spirit is still... there his line is still present and it will be faithfully followed by his supporters, and those supporters will grow. i always say, in the words of my leader, chegivara, what matters not is not that you die, everybody dies, what matters is how you lived, how you

die, for what you die, and crucially, how many people when you fall, will come forward to pick up your microphone, to pick up your pen, to pick up your rifle. if that is the rubric, if that is the yard stick, then israel is going to achieve nothing from the murder of hassan nasrallah anymore. than they have achieved by the mardar assassination of the people that came before him in lebanon, in palestine and in many other places. the struggle continues, laluta continue, the struggle of the islamic nation, the arab nation, will continue until palestine is liberated. let me squeeze in one last quick

question from zubair. rashid silister in bermium zuber very quickly please, thank you, you are such a eroquent speaker, the like for me to the commercial sister spend time to hear you for time. and time and again my question is that is up in his gin because this war seem to be technology versus ideology, why should not arab countries or oic support palestine who are of their the same religion afinity, culture values, why this seem to be western versus middle east war? so we should not, the truth is, the truth is that the arab rulers and the rulers of many other muslim countries are belly dancing for the american empire, belly dancing for netanyahu, some of them openly with their normalization, some of them behind the screen, some of them behind behind a

veil, if i can continue the metaphor, but the are people are boiling mad at what is happening in gaza and now in lebanon, their people from... morocco all the way to uh bahrain, from the atlantic all the way to the persian gulf, their people are overwhelmingly with palestine, with lebanon, against netanyahu, against israel, and one day the tables must turn, will turn, because i believe in the ultimate victory of the liberation movement. the araban muslim worlds who will triumph because in the end empires always fall and the american empire will fall and it will take down the settler colonial

apartite state they call israel with it. i hope you've enjoyed watching as much as i have enjoyed presenting. now that i know i'm not scottish, i'll have to go looking for another. nationality to that will accept me, if you've enjoyed the show, come back next week at the same time, same place, maybe even try to be on the video wall, this has been have it out with gallowe.

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