and defense committees dr thank you very much for joining us here on r.t. a few weeks before the fitting that came you warned the israeli defense minister a good bit about not to use military force you said at that time this has nothing to do with security and the armaments for hamas are not coming from the sphere tell us how then can israel justify its use of force well in my view the flotilla was alternately an effort it was a p.r. effort it was clearly not a humanitarian effort if those who conducted it truly cared about the humanitarian situation in gaza they had numerous opportunities and were offered numerous opportunities to take whatever they wanted it to god through the main entrance into gaza so this was clearly about sending out a message about a p.r. kind of campaign my argument was that when we are engaged in a campaign over idea over images the last thing we need to do is give the other

side because sadly what they want which is an image of conflict with israeli soldiers this is clearly what they want to be came into this effort seeking that image so clearly a provocation the fingers that when you're engaged in that kind of battle you have to be smarter than the other side and not to give them the images that they seek so you can justify the use of soldiers and if you look at a very specific effort to kind of go through that blockade in israel has a legitimate blockade that is defined by international law as well but my point was that we are here are we are fighting in a war of ideas and there is an effort even i would say a cordon a good effort to isolate israel to portray it as an illegitimate state we have to respond in kind and we have to protect ourselves by intellectual means. and

when this is the arena the use of soldiers it's not the best use i'm not saying that israel didn't have the right to use them it has the right the fact that you have to write to soldiers doesn't mean that it's necessarily the smartest thing in the service of your cause what would have been the alternative to letter through. we did it in the past and it worked brilliantly because you deprived the other side of exactly what they want they want that image of confrontation you deprive them of it the story fizzles the international media is not interested since this is ultimately a p.r. campaign you kind of literally you take the wind out of their sails by letting the ships through with that not have deal with just two miles to israel's blockade on gaza on the contrary and we let ships four times who have them our path and nothing happened because ultimately it's all about the story and it's all about the media and if the media is not interested it disappears so you're now kind of

backtracking given the the interest that the world has in the story of result of our failure the fact that we kind of responded to the provocation in a way that what's not wise but had we just let it go through no one in the media the story would have. fizzled within a day and if would have fizzled within a day no one would have been interested in israel's blockade a moment later why do you not think that this was as the organizers of the flotilla say an attempt to try and challenge israel's hold on gaza indeed many in the international community believe this as well oh because it's never about that because if it's not that then there's something else and because these organizations if you look if you look what happens with in turkey if you look at the suffering of other people around the world they some have never show that same passion and caring about suffering in other places in the world as i said if they really wanted to bring good humanitarian aid they had all the opportunities to do

so this was clearly a challenge and it was a challenge the woods focused it's something that is alternately ain't it israel's ability to protect itself if you begin to feel a jew demise that and someone said very beautifully you often go to meetings with senior people in europe and they say so israel has every right to defend itself it's just that whenever israel tries to defend itself it's never the right moment so that's how you slow we undermine. the idea that israel has the right to defend itself as the homeland of the jewish people and every time we just find somewhere else and if israel leaves scars so which is remarkable again israel left gaza to the one nine hundred sixty seven borders not a single soldier in gaza not a single settlement in gaza and yet what you see you see the palestinians and especially must think oh no no no you haven't really left he still occupy us because the refuse to assume responsibility hasn't for big that they should

actually be responsible and build something and give up on this culture of always resisting always being against they would actually have to prove themselves and mean i think of that so there's a desire to constantly say. well you never really left you still occupy us you still responsible and because you're still responsible we can sit back and we're not responsible so why was israel's defense minister and the rest of the defense establishment not open to this kind of thinking because if you look at the leadership of israel today it was forged through military struggle and it was forged through anti-terrorist struggle so they are still the outcome of a different arena the arena that looked at military threats and terrorist threats and that got very close at responding to those threats and it takes a while to understand that the arena shifted also for israel it took

a while to understand that classic wars have ended and now it's terrorism it costs a few decades to find the proper response to international domestic terrorism to build an export based economy so these mental changes are actually take time because once you create those mental structure it's very hard for you to shift. when i talk about an intellectual attack of towns fluffy sounds i mean for a man who went through the military this this is not this is not a serious attack what intellectual attack in your opinion how is israel fairing in this war of words do you think for example that israel gets a say hearing in the international media there's no doubt that whatever happens here it gets this proportional attention to anything that happens anywhere else. what i do find that the main problem here is that people rush to judgment. and

there is no appreciation for the complexity of the situation for the complexity of the call flick and i think of anything we should insist on the complexity of things so that people would understand that it's not so simple to rush to judgment in the situation it's also simple to decide who's of the right and i think this would israel should really make a. good fight for a battle for now that we're right they're wrong i don't think that's the way to go but just to insist that the situation is far more complex that might appear in the first few minutes of watching a video the findings of an internal israeli military probe has been published and they found that there were problems with the operation the planning the execution but the findings did not actually put the blame on anyone what kind of value do you think a probe like this has this is in the box no one comes up and says just a moment the whole thinking should have been different the whole thinking should

have been that this is not a new reno where the military gets sent because the military doesn't know how to deal with images with ideas. so in that respect it's not helpful to the kind of shift that i think israel should make in order to truly win in this war of ideas you've written a book might as well all generation do you think that the new generation obvious way to ship such as your souls will take this kind of thing came on board yes certainly i mean my generation did my generation first generation that fought in the first intifada it was an intifada there was a marked very much by this battle of ideas and images so i think we're much more aware of that we don't really we're not aware of a history of military and wars that's kind of in the books for us this didn't history so yes i thing. hopefully that is some of the change that

could take place but i hope it takes sooner than the time that is required for my generation to get to a position of leadership in the country do you think we're now going to see fit to last a tele with these radio leadership dealing with it in the same way so very much the same kind of reaction the desire to send ships came from what people perceived as disgraced success of the first one right everyone wanted to pick surveyed when babies and gods are named aaron to go on then you know the iranian president wants that to you and someone like in on in libya too but once they see the media is no longer interested it fizzles it becomes pathetic then also the interest to do so becomes lower does not mean that they look for more dramatic ways to get attention in the international arena so in fact the fear to look could be something small compared to what is going to come well it's i think what we also need to

understand about this arena is that it's never going to be a one off victory and it people kind of told me ok we would have let it go and then what all with this question of and then what and i say when we go to war when we fight terrorism when we build an economy we don't say then what we understand that this is going to be all the time and we're going to have to overcome challenges all the time as soon as we shift our understanding we understand that this is the key arena where israel and the zionist ideas threaten today that we constantly try to outwit and outsmart the other side the other side we're going to try to do the same to us and we have to be smarter and better but it's not going to disappear until alternately twenty thirty years from now as with all our other challenges and wars the other side basically says ok. they want duct tape not well thank you very much for joining us here on our team sure thank you my pleasure.

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career. while league leaders any time prolific strike a book at all from rivals through been. told the theory andy schleck back to get revenge after losing the yellow jersey in controversial fashion. moscow have moved up to second in the russian premier league their one zero win over bottom side clear soviet of putting them within six points of leaders zennie the army men were lying on a penalty kick in the tenth minute to claim all three points the rest first rest decision may have looked a bit harsh but see it from another angle and create can't complain too much can make islanders a go if stepped up to score his fifth of the season. premier maybe rock bottom but had chances to get something from this natural discards highly rated keeper here made sure his team held on for the win. well you certainly milestone fourth by spot have now chika three one home victory putting saturn three points

clear of the relegation zone the raft awarding a g.u.b.'s penalty for their first meeting a convincing one nil. alexander supporter then added another after harf an hour keeper at fault really. but he couldn't do much about his second just before the break away really sweet strike. censured right into the top corner with twenty minutes to go spot it now to give themselves some hope when mad at the quiet pool one back or be another goalkeeping mistake but i couldn't add to that and my action got his marching orders for a second yellow card in the. dying minutes. so last night's game shaking things up the top and bottom of the table the leaders move into second six points behind rubino just behind them with now. despite having won only one of their last five games and at the bottom. putting

a bit of daylight between themselves and the relegation. some transfer news now and the need have signed rubin star center forward alexander who cut off on a four year deal the fee was not disclosed but it is thought they paid around twelve million euros who could of school at sixteen goals in twenty three games last season and is the second prolific striker to leave it to be enough to a one hundred the main guys went to valencia at the end of last season. meanwhile and even little falls new boss roy hodgson has made his first signing for the club bringing in england midfielder joe cole on a four year deal after his contract was not renewed chelsea he's seen as a replacement for your c benign in the mood in the other direction to stamford bridge now that remember this. i. made famous by the south africa world cup but you won't hear them white hart lane next season tottenham have become the first english premier league club to ban the plastic own saying they made the decision after talking with police and local

authorities the horns have been criticised by players and fans who claim they drown out traditional singing and chanting at matches meanwhile giving coach joking love is expected to sign a new two year contract according to german media will see him stay in charge of the national side through the twenty twelve european championships love led germany to a third place finish at the world cup but has not but has been out of contract since the end of the tournament. and in spain barcelona college pep guardiola has been explaining why he going to sign only a one year extension to his contract claiming he could still have a long term future with the club. providing more we don't overwork much better under short term contract and need to know that things work fine and we understand each other i'm talking about the players which are the ones i work with i need to know we have a good relationship and that we all want them to get even better and if everything goes fine and i feel strong enough to make them then i'll stay for another year or more in a couple of well in ice hockey rushes in

a couple chicken won't be coming home any time soon after the double world champ. resigned with the n.h.l. club the new jersey devils have been pondering. over a month but decided to stay put despite speculation and could join scarse and petersburg in the kontinental hockey league he will be officially revealed as a new jersey day's news conference the last time the twenty seven year old played for a russian side dish during the n.h.l. lockout back in two thousand and five. elsewhere fireworks are promised in the tour de france today luxembourg rider andy schleck is valid to get revenge after losing the yellow jersey to defending champion alberto contador in controversial circumstances leg started stage fifteen in yellow thirty one seconds ahead of contador yesterday and saw his chance to increase that lead on the last big climb of the day in the pyrenees powering ahead after catching contador off guard but then cheyne came off real bad luck however psyching etiquette says riders should not attack the yellow jersey if he has

a mechanical problem but contador ignored that and seizing his opportunity powered past the stage was won by frenchman thomas but contador now leads overall by eight seconds from. the tour is not finished for me you know why. i'm angry. i'm angry today you know and i take my revenge on their own to. calm down but you know it's a by chris and i personally i would not ride like this but. you know it's not me. it's in the front. but i don't think it's cool. so confirmation of how things look in the contador talk in his defense he did say he had not realized had suffered a mechanical problem at the time he attacked but you can expect a battle for the. on today stage which ends on the infamous called the russians denis menchov his fourth overall there and will be looking to claim third spot in the sand chess. boxing world heavyweight champion vitaly klitschko says he may

fight russia's nikolai valuev the next train it has been taking time and kitesurfing but still has his thoughts on the fending his w.b.c. belt turned thirty nine yesterday and was at the world cup in germany and even had a go in self he had said he would retire by the end of the year but when asked about his immediate plans klitschko said he wants to fight again and improve his career record which stands at fourteen wins and just. at the moment we don't have any certain plans. were talking to different opponents the german from russia has a lot of interest in the fight and doesn't want to fight as it turns out my brother . which we never got to nancy but i know my next fight will be against an interesting opponent i can't give you the name yet but he will be very popular one of the best boxes in the world. finally the russian aerobatics championships took

place at the weekend but despite boasting some of the best pilots in the world the sport still lacks financial support and media attention though is still worth taking a look at as the story. it's called competition aerobatics any demands courage as well as deal russia is one of the leaders in the sport. champions but it's a sport result mass appeal one of the problem is that it's very difficult to attract sponsors because the t.v. unfortunately does not pay so much attention to this sport it's difficult. it's difficult to show because the money stuff is one of the most famous biled you

get the dish and everybody else. you want this year's russian championships in then leave it category sometimes minor stuff gets upset about the lack of investment in the sport so. unfortunately we don't get support from our government they prefer to turn their eyes towards olympic sports for example curling i do respect that sports but aviation can really build a country of glory and i think it's far more important. these planes have seen better times and due to that lack of funding the russian team is forced to fly them . pants for all sports haven't been produced for fifteen years try to make ourselves hurt and restart its production but so far we haven't received any reaction aerobatics championships starts in poland next month the russian team will be will it create a variance and the old no a good performance will be a huge step towards stake in the sport's larry to new heights. but used to log

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