to use military force you said at that time this has nothing to do with security and the armaments for hamas are not coming from the how then can israel justify its use of force well in my view the flotilla was alternately an effort it was a p.r. effort it was clearly not a humanitarian effort if those who conducted it truly cared about the humanitarian situation in gaza they had numerous opportunities and were offered numerous opportunities to take whatever they wanted it to god through the main entrance into gaza so this was clearly about sending out a message about a p.r. kind of campaign my argument was that when we are engaged in a campaign over idea over images the last thing we need to do is give the other side exactly what they want which is an image of conflict with israeli soldiers this is clearly what they want to think came into this effort seeking that image so

clearly a provocation the thing is that when you're engaged in that kind of battle you have to be smarter than the other side and not to give them the images that they seek so you can justify the use of soldiers and if you look at a very specific effort to kind of go through that blockade in israel has a legitimate blockade that is defined by international law as well but my point was that we are here are we are fighting and a war of ideas and there is an effort even i would say a cordon a good effort to isolate israel to portray it as an illegitimate state we have to respond in kind and we have to protect ourselves by intellectual means and when this is the arena the use of soldiers it's not the best use i'm not saying that israel didn't have the right to use them it has the right the fact that you have to. two soldiers doesn't mean that it's necessarily the smartest thing in the

service of your cause what would have been the alternative to lead a through. we did it in the past and it worked brilliantly because you deprive the other side of exactly what they want they want their image of confrontation you deprive them of it the story fizzles the international media is not interested since this is ultimately a p.r. campaign you kind of literally you take the wind out of their sails by letting the ships through with that not have deeded just to my eyes to israel's blockade on gaza on the contrary. we let ships four times who have them our path and nothing happened because ultimately it's all about the story and it's all about the media and if the media's not interested it disappears so you're now kind of backtracking given that the interest that the world has and the story of result of our failure the fact that we kind of responded to the provocation in

a way that was not wise but had we just let it go through no one in the media the story would have. fizzled within a day and if would have fizzled within a day no one would have been interested in israel's blockade a moment later why do you not think that this was as the organizers of the for to list say an attempt to try and challenge israel's hold on gaza indeed many in the international community believe this as well oh because it's never about that because if it's not that then there's something else and because these organizations if you look if you look what happens with in turkey if you look at the suffering of other people around the world they some have never show that same passion and caring about suffering in other places in the world as i said if they really wanted to bring in humanitarian aid they had all the opportunities to do so this was clearly a challenge and it was a challenge that was focused at something that is alternately ain't it israel's

ability to protect itself if you begin to feel a jew demise that and someone said very beautifully you often go to meetings with senior people in europe and they say so israel has every right to defend itself it's just that whenever israel tries to defend itself it's never the right moment so that's how you slow we undermine. the idea that israel has the right to defend itself as the homeland of the jewish people and every time we just find somewhere else and if israel leaves scars cell which is remarkable that israel left gaza to the one nine hundred sixty seven borders not a single soldier in gaza not a single settlement in gaza and yet what you see you see the palestinians especially must saying oh no no no no no you haven't really left he still occupy us because the refused to assume responsibility hasn't for bid that they should actually be responsible and build something and give up on this culture of always

resisting always being against they would actually have to prove themselves and mean think of that so there's a desire to constantly say. well you never really left you still occupy us you still responsible and because you're still responsible we can sit back and we're not responsible so why was is also defense minister a good book and the rest of the defense establishment not open to this kind of thinking because if you look at the leadership of israel today it was forged through military struggle and it was forged through anti-terrorist struggle so they are still the outcome of a different arena the arena that looked at military threats and terrorist threats and that got very good at responding to those threats and it takes a while to understand that shifted also for israel it took a while to understand that classic wars have ended and now it's terrorism it costs a few decades to find the proper response to international domestic terrorism to

build an export based economy so these mental changes are actually take time because once you create those mental structures it's very hard for you to shift. when i talk about an intellectual attack of towns fluffy sounds i mean for a man who went through the military this this is not this is not a serious attack what's it like to attack in your opinion how is israel fairing in this war of words do you think for example that israel gets a say hearing in the international media there's no doubt that whatever happens here it gets this proportional attention to anything that happens anywhere else. what i do find that the main problem here is that people rush to judgment. and there is no appreciation for the complexity of the situation for the complex city of the call flicked and i think of anything we should insist on the complexity of

things so that people would understand that it's not so simple to rush to judgment in the situation it's also simple to decide who's the right and i think this would israel should really make a. good fight for about all for now that we're right they're wrong i don't think that's the way to go but just to insist that the situation is far more complex that might appear in the first few minutes of watching a video the findings of an internal israeli military probe has been published and they found that there were problems with the operation the planning the execution but the findings did not actually put the blame on anyone what kind of value do you think a probe like this has this is in the box no one comes up and says just a moment the whole thinking should have been different the whole thinking should have been that this is not a new reno where the military gets sent because the military doesn't know how to deal with images with ideas. so in that respect it's not helpful to the

kind of shift that i think israel should make in order to truly win in this war of ideas you wish in a book might as well all generation do you think that the new generation of these weighty to ship such as yourself will take this kind of thing came on board yes certainly i mean my generation the my generation is the first generation that fought in the first intifada it with an intifada with the with remarked very much by this battle of ideas and images so i think we're much more aware of that we don't really we're not aware of a history of military and wars that's kind of in the books for us this tenth history so yes i. i think hopefully that is some of the change that could take place but i hope it takes sooner than the time that is required for my

generation to get to a position of leadership in the country do you think we're now going to see fit to last a tele with these radio leadership dealing with it in the same way so very much the same kind of reaction the desire to send ships came from what people perceived as this great success of the first one right everyone wanted to pick surveyed when babies and gods are unnamed aaron to go on then you know the iranian president wants that to you and someone in lebanon on in libya too but once they see the media is no longer interested it fizzles it becomes pathetic then also the interest to do so becomes lower doesn't mean that they look for more dramatic ways to get attention in the international arena so in fact the fear to look could be something small compared to what is going to come well it's i think what we also need to understand about this arena is that it's never going to be a one off victory and it people kind of told me ok we would have let it go and then what all with this question of and then what and i say when we go to war when we

fight terrorism when we build an economy we don't say and then what we understand that this is going to be all the time and we're going to have to overcome challenges all the time as soon as we shift our understanding we understand that this is the key arena where israel and designed just idea of threatened today that we constantly try to outwit and outsmart the other side the other side we're going to try to do the same to us and we have to be smarter and better but it's not going to disappear until alternately twenty thirty years from now as with all our other challenges and wars the other side basically says ok. they want well thank you very much for joining us here on our team thank you my pleasure.

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thirteen we'll see all of them in the upcoming edition of girls gold. rush is. becoming home any time soon after the double world champion signed the longest deal in and a chill history was officially a field as in new jersey a player chooses just conference cover took side this seven team year according to which the super folded one hundred two million dollars technically it means he'll spend the rest of his professional career with the devils. pondering his fish of over a month decided to stay put despite speculation he could join scott in pittsburgh in the kontinental hockey league in football german coach of his side and u two year contract with the team that means the fifty year old coach will stay in charge of the national side through to the ten to twelve european championships remember

just lead germany to bronze at the world cup in south africa and to years ago his men claimed silver at the european championships in austria and switzerland. got room for improvement. vice mundus yeah i do know everyone knows that we have a very good basis that we have a lot of players who can become even better with time so we see a lot of potential and want to team to stay together at least we think the circumstances are good for us to develop. god all that has been explaining why he's agreed to sign a one year extension to his contract claiming he could still have a long term future with the club. but ultimately you know i work much better under short term contract i need to know that things work fine and we understand each other i'm talking about the players which are the ones i work with i need to know we have a good relationship and that we all want them to get even better and if everything

goes fine and i feel strong enough then i'll stay for another year or more in a couple of cyclic and parrot fredricka has one stage sixteen of that difference that frenchmen was among the runaway group of nine cyclists who broke clear with several kilometers to go to do a good time to take perfectly take and they're strong in the final metres of a two hundred kilometer stage to claim a comfortable win in five hours thirty one minutes and forty three seconds the frenchman finished second whilst pena driven past came. so there's no change in the top ten of the general classification after today's stage which obviously means that top three days like this but you can target and dislike those eight seconds behind him while. sits in third rushes in this michelle is fourth overall he's ten minutes and thirteen seconds behind can target. what form one season continues in germany this weekend and this ports knows

decorated in ferraro will be looking to struggle for their recent poor run of form twice champions and underlines and philippa must clinch i threw our a one two at the curtain raiser in a bare rain in march but have struggled ever since they want their next race to be there you turn. we are i've now after two rather races with not many points before there were i have to go to the good moment we need to to take care of the maximum for my work out of. two or three podiums you know i'm not all i'm sure with a new point systems we can be different for the temperature british and for sure i'm not happy like. i supposed to be so a. beginner of this is or was not like i expected the first race was ok and we did too broad you and then we didn't have a good race is. so special in the last three races that you had to race in

a road that is something that ended in a race and you cannot score points you cannot finish. now the russian aerobatics championships took place at the weekend but despite boasting some of the best spots in the world this sport still likes financial support and made attention although it's still worth taking a look as the story. that is. the flaw it's called competition error body aches and it demands car age as well as steel rush is one of the leaders in the sport it can boast a number of champions but it's a sport result mass appeal one of them is that it's very difficult to. attract sponsors. does not pay so much attention to this sport it's

difficult. it's difficult to. be hailed as one of the most famous pilots in cup edition aerobatics. he won this year's russian championships in their category and sometimes modest of gets upset about the lack of investment in his sport so. unfortunately we don't get support from our government they prefer to turn their eyes towards olympic sports for example curling i do respect that sports but aviation can really build a country's glory and i think it's far more important these planes have seen better times and due to lack of funding the russian team is forced to fly their. pants for us ports haven't been produced for fifteen years try to make ourselves heard and restart its production but we haven't received any reaction aerobatics championships sergeant poland next month the russian team will be called favorites

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live for. studios here in central moscow this is twenty four hours a day good to have you with us afghanistan says it wants to take full responsibility for its own security in four years time president hamid karzai announced the deadline at a high level international conference in kabul representatives from seventeen nations and organizations have been discussing the struggling country's future the was following the meeting force power is being shifted over to the afghan forces the plan that will set for that during the last conference on afghanistan which took place in london earlier this year is now being implemented and today a year of representatives from over at seventy countries are making sure that everything is going. by the plan of course other issues such as drug trafficking. standards of living here in afghanistan as well as the.