well here to discuss that with me is devon sheffield from the human rights first advocacy council law and security program evan thanks so much for being here thank you for having me like i mentioned in this case carter was only fifteen years old so he was a child under international law most people would say that children should be treated as victims not as war criminals so you know what do you think how does the us justify this is setting a dangerous precedent i think that that is this is really setting a dangerous precedent i think it's really unfortunate that the administration has choose in this case a case of a child soldier to be the first case under this administration to be tried before a military commission as you mentioned under international law the united states has obligations to treat child soldiers differently from regular soldiers they are far more vulnerable areas of armed conflict often that they are coerced into participating in armed conflict and because of that the united states has obligations to try to rehabilitate detainee child soldiers who are brought into their custody and to help reintegrate them back into society now in the case of

omar kotter of the united states hasn't upheld any of these standards and as fat and in fact since he was taken into custody he's been held with other adult soldiers a sense that he was very happy to do that i mean if they have these responsibility these obligations then how do they not fulfill this not because he's not an american citizen well unfortunately i think that's the story of guantanamo the story of guantanamo is really one of trying to avoid international obligations you know a lot of the policies especially that were derived under the bush administration the reason why guantanamo was opened was to create a black hole to avoid any type of legal of pluck ability and to avoid the jury jurisdiction of u.s. courts now that's presumably part of why the obama administration has made a commitment to close guantanamo but it's unfortunate that they're continuing to with these problematic military commissions especially in the case of an individual that was a minor at the time. that he allegedly committed the conduct that he's accused of

well i want to talk to you set of these military commissions are problematic and that's where you know it's so interesting because the first set of military commissions that were created under the bush administration the supreme court ruled unconstitutional so now this these new military commissions were only created in two thousand and nine i believe the handbook for them only came out in april of this year so you know can we really trust these military commissions if there's not a real legal precedent in which to judge them with i think the lack of precedent is a huge problem and has been a huge problem in the military commissions here correct to note that we're now on our third try here these commissions and we haven't gotten it right yet and fact commissions are moving so slowly that they've only in the past six years convicted for individuals to a home have been released all right you so clearly they're not they're not an effective means of pursuing justice in cases certainly not as efficient or as productive as the regular civilian courts and they continue to fall short of the

due process protections that we expect from our regular civilian courts or even in the regular military justice system and i think that continues to be problematic as those their lack of international legitimacy i think internationally u.s. civilian courts are recognized to generally to adhere to a high standard of due process and the military commissions are known for being you know historically problematic and they continue to be so there's a lot of criticism out there like i said they're a very new thing that we just haven't been able to get right yet and so my question to you is how much money do we spend on these military commissions i mean how much does it cost to create these entirely new courts to keep guantanamo bay running to fly reporters out to go and witness and observe every single hearing that's one of their it's clearly a huge time and resources suck having these cases down in guantanamo. you know i've

been to observe these commissions you know a number of times and you talk about bringing the defense lawyers the prosecutors the judges as well as the observers and the reporters and it also creates a lot of problems with regards to transparency clearly not every reporter can spend four days for a one day of proceedings down in guantanamo which they're sometimes forced to do and it also creates problems with regards to access to counsel it's very hard for defense attorneys to get down there on a regular basis to meet with their clients in order to help them prepare for their cases so clearly these cases and this these many of these problems would be addressed if we simply brought detainees that we wanted to prosecute back into the united states for civilian trial within our regular court system you know i'm happy you mentioned the word transparency because i also want to discuss yesterday or the case with osama bin laden's former driver. whoever he was but also you know said that he offered them some other intelligence there and here they you know the

sentence that was given it was sealed so how does that fall into the line of transparency why can't we know how much longer he's going to be detained until he's actually released it's not entirely clear what it is that created the agreement and this is an agreement the government it appears that the government and defense counsel came to an agreement that this sentence should be sealed according to news reports it appears. that they will at some point make the sentence public that they're somehow reviewing the transcripts that determine when that's appropriate but there are also a lot of other transparency issues with the military commissions there's problems in getting access to documents you know even unclassified we're talking unclassified judgments on classified briefs they're not made readily available they're not available to the public just as the proceedings which are taking place in place it's very difficult to get to you know what kind of legacy this is going to leave for the obama administration because this is. you know bush may have

started all of this but now this has become barack obama's bird and he's the war in afghanistan is only increasing his vow to close guantanamo bay that he made on his first day in office hasn't yet come true and now we have these military commissions where the first case is that of a child soldier how are people going to look at america and obama after this well you know it's clearly it's problematic the administration is still reaffirming its commitment to close guantanamo and has done so a number of times in recent weeks so it's still standing firm that it will find a way to close the facility it also hasn't made clear how many detainees it's going to try military commissions versus civilian courts we know that the intent to prosecute up to thirty eight individuals and it hasn't hasn't made the determination which will be pursued in civilian courts and which will be pursued a military commission so i do think that the administration still has a chance to shape its legacy in deciding to try more of these cases within our

trusted and proven civilian courts and fewer and they better take that chance now to say because this is not the best way to start it off and around the world people are going to count how many tried in civilian courts how many military commissions there were but you know this definitely i think sets forth a bad precedent thank you so much for being here thank you still to come on tonight's show there's another spy story breaking here in the u.s. but this chinese spy isn't getting any headlines could it be because he's just not hot like the russian. we're going to help him out in just a moment and net neutrality has been talked about quite a bit in the news recently but the public really though will sit down with a campaigner familiar with the issue to help us figure out how the google horizon deal would affect consumers and if this really is the end of the internet as we know it. every month we give you the future we'll do you understand how you get your. refund.

and it seems that the u.s. is facing another espionage problem that's right there's been a you as a bomber engineer who's been convicted of five offenses in a hawaiian federal court sixty six year old no sheargold wadia is accused of passing along information to china that would allow their missiles to avoid being detected by infrared technology now works for defense contractor northrop grumman for twenty years where he traveled to china providing data and design information for their weaponry so his government clearance has already been terminated and he

now faces a possible jail sentence but here's my question why hasn't anybody been talking about this guy i mean hello just months ago the russian spy scandal dominated headlines for weeks sparking cold war fears about espionage between the u.s. and communist countries and everybody remembers miss anna chapman the sexy red haired spy who was the center of attention of the media during this entire spygate scandal so why don't love for him to share why no fifteen minutes of fame for this man well we realize that what it takes to grab the public's attention these days seems to be a received facebook profile pic that's how it has to be the maybe we can help so we had our producers searched the internet high and low to find the following pictures go idea check it out it's looking hot right how about next year at the beach who knew this guy had such a killer body and as you can tell he's pretty proud of his six pack we six pack we

caught him out while he with taking a little jog downtown and just like anna chapman and cher also has its own facebook page where you can check out all of these sexy images for yourself so i have to say is this year you are welcome with a little help from the alone to show you're now just this famous and as the hot russians buy so you can think of us later. you know net neutrality those are two words it's been said on every news network in recent days what is the and does everybody know what they really mean the concept of net neutrality means of broadband providers shouldn't be able to restrict or discriminate web traffic like marking one web page making one web page load faster or slower than another and the reason i said it shouldn't is because there's no actual law or ruling in place for that idea it's just that it's just an idea but actually google horizon deal has some people up in arms over the details of the way these two internet powerhouses

want the world wide went to work you see the deal proposes a tiered system for the internet with an open network still available to everyone but there's also going to be a second network one that's set to offer premium services which also still remains very big now these premium services would require an additional fee that will give unrestricted high speed access to your favorite web pages everything else could be accessed on the whole regular open slow network so here's a visual for it under this deal you could load a load a web page extremely fast and efficient lee with the better service while that regular open net worth would slow down taking it for ever to load a web page for the days of dial up now google ever arise and haven't said which web pages would be favored but one can only imagine how quickly you can pull of rising page in comparison to the i don't know let's say facebook profile so some people

are calling this the end of the internet as we know it the end of the open and equal internet and perhaps the end of google to no evil so should we be freaking out over the end of net neutrality well joining me to answer this question is senior online campaign director for the progressive change campaign committee jason rhodes mung jason thanks so much for being here thanks for having me now the thing is you know. over the past couple of days we've seen so many different people write about this agreement and it seems like the details change every minute what it really means so is there anything you can clarify for us so i make sure that we're starting off on the right but sure why i actually thought your overview was very good i think the details are complex because the companies involved want it that way they want to seem like they're up holding net neutrality because now your child is very popular google has a lot invested in their don't be evil slogan but when you get right down to it is what you said it's creating a tiered internet the internet would no longer be open and free and companies would

actually be able to pay people like the rise in for faster service which means that fox news could get to your desktop very quickly and you know your favorite blogger might be very slow so now there's a tiered internet so there's the elite internet and i don't know the lowliest slow internet sure they're calling it the public internet and these premium services i wasn't aware that there was now a public and private internet but apparently in general public that we're just we don't deserve as fast internet as fred that is crazy to me but you know what's interesting too is we were all discussing this all day long here it is why wireless internet this doesn't apply that's a huge loophole and that is a big hole in this deal google and risin agreed to preserving net neutrality on the wired internet but the wireless internet which really is the future of the internet i know i just got wireless in my home it's my only internet access and so that's really the future and where things are going cellphones and all these kinds of things and they totally left that out of any preservation of net neutrality that

they felt was necessary but essentially if they left to douse that and we have a very vague understanding of what they can do it right now they can make it harder for you when you're accessing internet on your phone they actually can block certain signs that will go down the app and we've already seen that happen there was a situation with the group in a real pro-choice america they sent out a text message to people with cell phones and the cell phone companies actually be . the message because they disagreed with the content and that's what you get when you have corporate controlled networks as opposed to free and open networks like what i'm hoping will become a reality hopefully one day now why would google do this if they have this entire motto this entire added to that of do no evil it doesn't make sense this seems like it's hard being the new like it's hurting the you know the people yeah this was a this was a big surprise for a lot of people and we've seen a lot of outrage from a lot of people over it because they do expect better of google i think there are a lot of theories as to why they did it i think there is

a lot of money that google has tied up in its operating system android and things like that which they have to work very closely with carriers like fries in to make that work but i think people are really surprised and they're really outraged and that's what we're seeing on line people are really pushing back but do you think that you know some of the arguments that i heard is perhaps a google just got a little bit too lazy they realize that one day it would get to the point where they did actually have to abide by their own model and say that we won't do any evil in the world take down these other companies and they just didn't want to have to wait until that day they're trying to i don't know takes you know a preemptive step you know they very well may be you know to hear the c.e.o. of google and bing and say it and i was on the call with them when they announced this press call you know they wouldn't put it that way they think this is a very natural evolution they think is very reason compromise but i think people are really seeing it differently you know that's what we saw we set up this web site google don't be evil dot com and people are just go into it they're expressing

their outrage over this and i think it's really caught a lot of people by surprise. so people are outraged why isn't congress stepping in where is to ensure see on this you know where the people that are supposed to be regulating and stopping this somehow but it's exactly right now the f.c.c. has authority to block this evil deal and they could do it tomorrow if they wanted to or they could at least start the process and so far chairman julian koski has been sitting on his hands and so that that is what we are asking people who are interested in this to do google don't be evil we'll get you involved and we really want to pressure the f.c.c. because they're the ones who should be standing up and writing the rules for the free and open internet not letting these corporations make these deals behind closed doors without any input from the public but tell me this are they sitting on their hands because they nasa is they get so much money from all of these internet service providers like the horizon. of the world that they don't want to regulate them read didn't learn from you know allowing the oil industry to regulate itself from allowing wall street to regulate itself that this is

a bad idea i mean these companies are very very powerful certainly the carriers like comcast and risin they have millions of dollars to spend on lobbyists they give a lot of money democratic campaigns survey of immense political clout in that sense and i think there is an element of fear in the f.c.c. to cross them but i also think you know at the end of the day the f.c.c. does have an interest in doing the right thing and that you know we're hoping to give them a kick so they walk down that road well we'll see what happens but like i said a lot of people are calling this the end of the internet as we know it today and hopefully that doesn't happen just thanks so much for being here thank you very much ari coming up the mouthpiece for the white house finds himself in a little bit of trouble we'll hear my unplugged moment on robert gibbs after he bashed people on the left for criticizing the obama administration and we'll have a report from new york on the number of civilian deaths being reported in afghanistan a new report released by the u.n. shows a sharp increase the number of innocent people being killed in that war torn country

. well tonight i've got a few words for robert gibbs obama's press secretary the guy who recently when interviewed by the hill how do you words for those that he calls the professional left i'm assuming those are all the reporters the t.v.

anchors the liberal bloggers of the world the ones that make following politics their profession the ones that are out there investigating seeking answers critiquing in the interest of the people of the average americans who maybe don't have time to sit around and read every single piece of news every single day the ones that the want to make sure the politicians actually live up to their promises and who call them out if they don't oh i see it turns out that this professional left has actually been doing their job they're not simply drooling over every move made by the obama administration so robert gibbs well he decided to tell that professional left the ones that he in his own words here's are saying that obama in some ways might be like bush he decided to say that all of these people how to be drug tested that's right apparently if you happen to notice that obama has increased the role of intelligence gathering is done away with warrants for the

f.b.i. if they want to read your e-mails the one that's put american citizens on an assassination list amongst many other things well that if you noticed all of that you must be on drugs awaiting after people actually reacted to his words gives then went on to say that sorry he watches a little too much cable t.v. so you know give him a break let's all forget this whole thing ever happened and let's remember that there really needs to be unity amongst the left and amongst the progressives in this country. are you serious robert are you losing it are you supposed to be a professional a press secretary somebody that knows how to walk your words and use them wisely through it all i have to say is that if you're trying here trying to make more enemies if you're trying to turn those people who support you in your administration that faith in your administration and who are willing to admit their disappointments well if you're trying to turn them against you then this definitely

was the way to do it so maybe the person needs a drug test these you my friend. now according to a new report from the u.n. the number of civilians killed in the afghan conflict in the first six months of the year rose thirty one percent compared to the same period a year ago i makes for one thousand two hundred and seventy one deaths and one thousand nine hundred ninety seven injuries a grim reminder that war is in full force in afghanistan but nato airstrikes aren't the only thing to blame here they're joining me live from our new york studio is our to correspondent marine important to give us more details of this report now marina i want to hear more of the details here because like i said we constantly hear about nato airstrikes on civilians but apparently. killings by the taliban have also gone up quite a bit here. that's right alone according to this u.n. report that was released the taliban and anti-government elements otherwise known

as militants are responsible for three quarters of the deaths and injuries that have fallen upon the afghan civilians a number that as you mentioned is increasing now the u.n. report indicates that the taliban has increased its efforts using i e d's and roadside explosive also have increased the amount of assassinations on civilians that have taken place but this is all come as a result of the troop surge that has taken place in afghanistan so the for the more foreign for foreign troops that have entered that country the more violence comes from the taliban and other militants so it's it turns out that more foreign troops is leading to more deaths of afghan civilians so it's not like they can start pointing fingers at the taliban and that they didn't know what else about these figures is really alarming. well alone what these figures indicate is

a clear human cost of war most alarming is the number of children afghan children that are losing their lives that number has shot up fifty five percent in the first six months of this year compared to last year's numbers also indicating is that the women and children are bearing the brunt of this war the numbers of women and children the numbers of afghan and afghan women and children dying in this war are shooting up and they are losing their lives in their homes in their communities in addition it also indicates that a lot of families once they see foreign troops entering their community their neighborhoods they know when they anticipate that the taliban will come in and conflict will ensue because that is essentially where the conflict lies in the in the conflict between those parties and obviously it is the civilians that i didn't

choose this war don't support this war that are losing their lives in this war now . obviously this paints a very grim picture here and it seems like every year every month the figures only rise in the news only seems to get worse is the u.n. starting to change their minds here you know are they offering i don't know perhaps they were skeptical views on the war effort in afghanistan. alone the report that was released today by the united nations was forty six pages and the official one and if you want official says this is a wake up call but i don't understand who is waking up because we're talking about a war that's going on nine years and a report that is released every six months with the number that is rising of afghan people dying the u.n. calls on the taliban to to to stop being violent to stop making suicide attacks or stop up putting ideas on the side of the road but this is a war and if the u.s.

calls have been ignored for nine years i'm not sure if if one group of people are going to now begin to listening to diplomats that are gathered together in a building in new york that have actually failed from reconciling or bringing peace to that war torn country for nearly a decade now marina very quickly you mentioned earlier that civilians know that if nato troops come to their village that probably means death this is also mean but they're becoming increasingly skeptical of wanting to work with them to help them. i imagine that is the case and part of this report did allude to that because it's their life that they're fearing for and that is i imagine the incentive and that is what the taliban is trying to do is to scare the civilians and to intimidate them to not work with the foreign troops and that's why there are assassinations on civilians and on elected officials or on leaders and community leaders so when you're living in that kind of environment obviously if it's

a better of life or death you're going to stay away from the target that made your death and at the end of the day and always horrible news like i said coming out every day that was marina part nine joining us from new york now still to come our tool time later tonight we'll tell you why the niece of dr martin luther king jr is on our radar for bashing gays with an over the top comments and will discuss surveillance how some citizens here in the us are being arrested for filming police officers who are on duty. seven in the russian capital you're watching r t thanks for being with us these are your headlines smaug that's blanket in moscow over the past week is now showing signs of dispersing change in wind direction and then unexpected thunder shower

brought some much needed relief from the forest and peat fires after a month record breaking temperatures firefighters and military in volunteers have been working around the clock to get the fires under control climate prime minister vladimir putin even took to the skies and phidias aircraft to help dump tons of water on the flames forecasters say the heat wave could continue into mid august. one ton of moby's youngest prisoner tainted just fifteen is facing a military trial for his crimes that he says he was tortured into admitting omar kotter now twenty three's excuse of killing a u.s. serviceman in afghanistan he's the first person from the u.s. prison to be prison camp in cuba to be tried since barack obama took office. and the european union project aimed at tackling terrorism has angered civil libertarians in the u.k. they say a plan to monitor airline passengers aboard planes is a step closer to a surveillance state brussels is funding research into detecting suspicious behavior to give air crews an early warning. now it's back to the alone to show

where she examines the role surveillance plays in the police state as he contemplates more anti terror measures stay with us. it's time for our tool time winner tonight and this time of it goes to a family member who helped pioneer the civil rights movement alveda king the niece of dr martin luther king she's a conservative activist and well she's jumped on the gay bashing train over the weekend she attended a national organization for marriage rally in atlanta georgia and she went on to rally the crowd about about thirty five people with the following line. ever it is statistically proven that the strongest institution there guarantees procreation and continuity of the generations is marriage between one man and one woman i don't know about you but i'm not ready to be extinct and none of us wants to be so

we don't want genocide we don't want to destroy the sacred institution of marriage . now she went on to say that marriage between one man and one woman remains of the guard against human extinction really alveda were you aware that by next year there actually expected to be seven billion people on this planet and yet you still think they're letting gay people get married is going to cause our extinction is that what happened the dinosaurs now my real problem here with alveda king is pretty simple you see her uncle was a great man someone who changed this country who fought for equality for everyone so how do you think he would feel about her bashing gays and saying that gay marriage is like genocide do you even know the definition of genocide alveda it's the deliberate and systematic destruction in whole or in parts of an.