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a special report that takes a look inside the infamous a prison. tor nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used there. between one thousand change of scenery up and change of scenery down this is where you take the person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out there you put them in a nicer area of change of scenery down mean that you're going to put them into an isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slap if you can hit them and off so that it shocks them especially if it gets a loud slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them then

that's an effective technique is the way that they would usually refer to it as the putting is actually placed over their head and the interrogator. shouts their questions at him through the through the hood a prolonged standing if they were to do it for five seconds it wouldn't be too much of a bother after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had phobias of heights or. of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee you i could get one person to give more information if i was to convince that one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends.

throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from above for results. they were worried about are you abiding by the conventions and such that wasn't on the daily requests from higher command. requests were coming down the pipeline or what information he got what cooperation he got which sources have become key sources that's what they were worried about results because their mentality was that we've got them in detention the more people we're going to get in just a matter of time to get these guys to. one tunnel more become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are

described in documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the request to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who baucus had problems with. and if you look at the date the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after baucus left. and one month later neither baucus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in jail. are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation

methods he had only one objection. the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself. i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours. when. he was soft. then short pier and then ken miller who really. sort of started the harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing. from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break.

and believe that the only right that the people that down there kuantan had was the right to give us intelligence it was the only right we're in the business of winning the global war on terror we also conduct ourselves as americans always do everything that goes on in camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to call a bug is again this time he was more cooperative. and this rick back you know i called you actually a long time ago i time you didn't want to. talk. not at liberty to give interviews it is a good point. there are so many rumors. that. we don't want to end. things in ag wrong way but what is the

timeline for your story. but in order to speak freely with us he needs permission from the pentagon ok and if he. gave you permission to participate with you be available for an interview then i would make myself available correct ok really good we wouldn't it by a former commander. talk about it i mean. it's just so you can you basically did it to to give interview i can't tell them what to do that for he said it's ok but it sounds to me like. if we approve it in other words we authorize it and we had by it it's the right thing to do to do it i got it. why does the pentagon want to silence backus. who fired him and why.

and who was it that took the interrogation methods from going tom the most humble grave. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal now bill graham when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other then general miller. miller was sent to abu ghraib to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the pictures. jenny. could emmy yes but there's an echo. cultural sweet and hire

a car you know it wasn't expected to. i mean i know this is not. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between baucus and levy because of the occasion to cakes. i think that that's why baucus was fired. it takes up yet. and see everybody down at the time ok under miller they were all required to sign a formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't get anything that they've seen or heard or participated in. i have to meet you would you live a minute i live in south carolina which is right on the code.

rumor has it come pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general. for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller in that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. like baucus she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like by case she was replaced by general miller because she knows something about how interrogation methods developed at guantanamo could show up in photos from abu ghraib in iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive techniques if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as

a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line knows the limitations and is forced to command the military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply down there have you met him but i know i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie how silent he's been. fired first about because and then he fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i didn't know what was going on in cell block one a and b. and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they

did now someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agree that. we all feel like we are doing. things that we weren't supposed. because we were told to do. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do this to do that. you know i was. particularly carrying any regrets. talk to secretary of defense about this just warning by the way i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we have we have nothing to hide and we believe we believe in transparency because we're

a free society that's for free societies to. take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted were the seven soldiers pictured in the photos. and the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq. but according to our pinsky general miller had already been in abu ghraib earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on a secret mission and general miller never mentioned it but we found out later that he actually came on the same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators and the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general fast and the people from her staff that were

involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operations and to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence he said but i think you're you treat the prisoners too well you're too gentle with them said you really need to treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you've effectively lost control of the interrogation and before that meeting was over he said. with the lessons that they've learned. from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get. this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from give left after their visit to abu ghraib just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wants to use the military police who previously were only

used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found. that no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation methods. developed. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out and. these methods could be. contrary to the. stream to see.

if. it would be there. even though. they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control . and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover a strange little detail. in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib. and there were billions involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is

a contractor in the time. he was generous karpinski in iraq. the man walking beside him with the machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about the most we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a guy. who is hired to use. you're talking about. there are no. people. we wanted to get in touch with someone. who can explain to us what exactly a contractor does. try to reach. success.

we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq they constitute the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world private contract. one search for the romanian security company began. were in bucharest. show us what their services include. we were like a private company in other countries in this waste. well

they decide. to write it. in the private system more mobility. why because. or over the wall of the media they. have the rules it's not the left not the right. only. there what we've gone to the situation where we haven't thousands of armed left in the in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement any lol behind. all of. the. fourteen hundred killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition need to be people because they want to reduce their casual period. in offense way using free lawn.

mower hundred pound bags to protect not only our soldiers not the casualty figures both of them. at guantanamo do you think they were contractors to contractors just started to be used right it towards the end of my tour in one tunnel and there was only one or two that i saw one when i left when we're talking about a grade though the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis force there you were a grade is soldier no and i'm great i was a civilian contractor. i mean let's look at it this way think of it i normal confidant unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the balkans think back to world war two when you take. people captive to corral to hold them during most of us do these

there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied here the only difference is that we are in one of an unconventional war where the world is against a private organization rather than a a stake. i mean let's look at it this way think of a. conflict or an unconventional war where the war is against the privatization. a state. where is no. data does not mean we care does not belong to responsible. get out. of an unconventional war the us is against a climate organization. many people don't believe that you just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. what can you tell them.

on our understand the question she doesn't believe in one they don't believe you just. what do you want to tell those who don't believe in you and in your story. i hope. will be released later they will be able to explain in a stronger. i mean this thing would have noticed and why were you there if. ok basically missing here we have camp for chance to end in the beginning of the camp for detainees. and detainees that are.

getting closer to be released very sick. just. as we can hear from here. the voices that you hear. the voices of detainees in the chair. and one reason why you can hear them say because in the night time it's very quiet out here they're not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet you can hear the voices of the detainees. some day their units eight by eight with what it is say they say they have the opportunity to speak to one another so often. you know so i would imagine that they're talking to one another some of them may be praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone. just normal conversation and sometimes you do hear prayer to call the prayer just chattering.

what happens to the prisoners still kept at guantanamo. and what happens to those who are released. there have been nearly four hundred separate visits to on top. by more than one thousand journals additionally some one hundred eighty congressional representatives have visited the facility. arguably no detention facility in the history of warfare has been more transparent

or received more than. we've been at guantanamo and we still don't know what really happens inside there. but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside their loss to their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out. if one time although it's been reported to develop a seventy two point matrix for shrestha and arrests types of coercion escalating levels we include harsher heat or cold withholding food hoarding for days at a time naked isolation and cold dark cells is that correct so they're scared or clear and correct never have to carry gorelick in missouri.

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