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will remain in the bangkok prison where he's been held for at least the last two years. online whistleblower wiki leaks leaks again but its latest revelations from the cia failed to set the world on fire. the man suspected of organizing the two deadly blasts in multiple metro with links to international terrorist organizations war in just a few minutes. six am in moscow thanks for being with us here on r t our top story thai authorities say a russian businessman wanted in the u.s. for global arms smuggling will not be extradited immediately the delays are reportedly over additional charges of fraud and money laundering the u.s. filed in february and with victor boot still in solitary confinement the tide of media has now produced its own version of events as artie's catarina of all reports
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. today a thai television channel showed a small. story that was actually more similar to a short propaganda style documentary that a basically documented the life and alleged dealings of the russian businessman there and also quoted some unnamed american authorities who are allegedly and possession of evidence that proves victor booth was involved or somehow is somehow involved in the nine eleven terrorist attacks in the united states of course this is something that has just surfaced there has been no mention of it whatsoever leaving many analysts to wonder why exactly is the united states had this evidence before hand they didn't make it public because surely that would have strengthened their case against it that ability and maybe have even made the criminal court which earlier refused boots extradition to swing the case their way and actually
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believe the evidence that they have so the fact that this evidence has just appeared when the united states are clearly facing difficulties with the extradition process this elsley of this is leading many to wonder what kind of evidence this is what whom what kind of sources. is the thai television channel actually relying on and why this information is surfacing just now of course of it that it is waiting for a decision from the thai authorities about his extradition date the united states wanting to extradite him as quickly as possible following that decision on august twentieth allegedly and especially chartered plane traveled all the way to thailand and it is currently stationed at a u.s. air force base in the country waiting specifically to transfer mr boat back to the united states however thai authorities do say that because the united states filed new charges against the russian businessman those charges now have to be processed criminally in order for the man to be extradited the united states of course
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realizing that they've basically tripping up their own case are now trying to withdraw those charges but what this will lead to and how this story will develop nobody knows so far. and brian johnson thomas a former arms trafficking expert from the u.n. security council believes boots extradition is a matter of when and not if i'm not quite clear why the americans have fought this case so today should still be maybe just devoted to money to spend on the sting operation but certainly they're very very keen to get back to the states on the consequences that will follow i think there are two points here one is that the reason why they dropped the money laundering charges may be that they can concentrate on the sting operation is alleged to have agreed to supply weapons to the phone if that happens then the court in america may also be directed not to look at anything other than the sting operation so they will not be able to bring into court and to open the courts the many times when victor was of some service to
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the pentagon or whoever else he thinks that picture will go to america he will go on trial in manhattan and he will be found guilty on the no charges of agreeing to supply the puck i don't think that's necessarily fair but that's what's going to happen stay with us here on r.t. lots more headed your way including the man hoping to move up in the world and into the kremlin. with the recent checkered history russia has left a lot of people with claims to property some ludicrous serious we'll meet a self-proclaimed royal seeking to evict the russian president from the kremlin claiming it's his ancestral home. but first the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks is causing a stir again after posting an internal cia report document classified as secret focuses on the perception of the united states as an export or of terrorism for
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more on the newly published revelations that we get we here is lauren lyster from our new york studios. there's nothing new in this memo it's a very short memo from the central intelligence agency that in essence is and now that has been done many times over by journalists and analysts here in the united states already it talks about the impression basically of the reputation the u.s. may have abroad with foreigners as acts sporting terrorism and it talks about cases that are that have been well documented all over the media of five pakistani american young men who traveled from northern virginia overseas to allegedly join the pakistani taliban it talks about as well the case of david healy who is a u.s. citizen who was believed to be involved in surveillance for the terror attacks in india so these are well documented cases and their impression that they've made on the international community has been analyzed many times over also in this cia
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document it talks about if the u.s. policy on rendition is seen as too one sided that could hinder the u.s. is getting cooperation from foreign governments which i don't think is news to anybody there are a lot of people questioning more and more what the motives are of wiki leaks especially with the wiki leaks the man behind the website julian saunders who has seen increased criticism for being kind of a publicity monger himself and acting with immense who briss and really seeking promotion with these releases you'll recall after the seventy five thousand classified documents on the afghan war were released soon after that on the website they published a insurance document that was encrypted but many people that we spoke to sources said that the u.s. government could easily decrypt this document so so what really was the point of putting that up was it just for publicity there was immense speculation on that and
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also criticism over julianna songe the man behind. this website for acting really irresponsibly even people that supported his release of the afghan war documents said he may have been not careful enough and redacting names that possibly could have gotten people hurt so there have been increasing questions i really what is motivating a sign is it publicity is it who brace is it his own intentions to sell our contributor wayne madsen says the pentagon is using the wiki leaks scandal to justify more government funding what we're seeing between wiki leaks and the department of defense is some sort of japanese kabuki theater dance where we cue leaks does something the pentagon reacts and you know how long is this going to go on and it makes one wonder why does the pentagon review to react to wiki leaks i think the best thing for the pentagon to do is just ignore wiki leaks of their
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upset. that you know they're looking obviously for public and every time they hammer each these careful it's what i call controlled hemorrhage of documents they're looking for massive publicist because i noticed that along with this release of this document came some sort of a appeal for funds turning back to russia now the head of the country's federal security service says newly discovered documents link the man believed to be behind the moscow metro blast with international terrorist organizations the evidence was found after a mega medal of megha by dolly was killed in a special operation in dagestan last week artie's ever piskun off has the details. basically these secret documents don't only contain information on what i mean by most contacts in the proposition but also international context with international terrorist organisations the are forty six plain also that the now i know that the
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last phone told me all by gum also cell phone was international as well though they would not disclose the name of the country it was made with all of this is according to the head of the russian federal security service and basically this announcement and the findings of documents link him going. to international terrorist organisations so these documents were discovered last week as a result of a special operation would probably be started up to my authorities in which but i will come so close to my governor himself is a major figure if you suspect you know organizing the deadly blast in moscow much more smooth to my mind two female suicide bombers attacked two metro stations i believe keep up the morning rush hour killing forty people and injuring several hundred hours of the respondent is also suspect there are going to be another blast in the discussion this week after not targeting a police station and also. organizing around food to get tax companies in which
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several policemen were killed and basically these documents also hold information on the precise plans and targets of terrorist attacks which got them all in the body so this is definitely going to help the investigation the federal security service says that it now has the names of all the people connected to the blast in moscow metro at the end of march and to be investigations that are going to continue. don't forget there's plenty more stories on our website r.t. dot com we also have blogs videos and much much more here's some of today's top picks of what's online. you can. well i'm glad the impaler russia's premier takes to the water arm with a crossbow this time on the hunt for gray whales but he's just there to collect skin samples that will help them with the preservation of the species in the country's far east writes. oh i love the cars speed and glamour both
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clamor for the attention of car lovers including me as the moscow international motor show kicks into gear manufacturers from around the world showcasing their latest shiny offerings and you can see them too and drool over them like me at our website r t dot com. we. more than forty people have been killed in a string of bombings that have shaken iraq in baghdad alone more than twenty bombs exploded in at least twelve separate incidents the attacks came just a day after the u.s. announced it had withdrawn the last of its combat troops however fifty thousand remain to advise iraqi forces although it's the lowest number of soldiers since the start of the war in two thousand and three but today's bombings are raising questions of the iraqi government's ability to deal with the ongoing insurgency.
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and the arab lawyers association says the bombings by actually be rocking governments way of getting the us to stay. but i have reasons why it should happen and various theories but one of the i think one of the more credible one is that the government is actually involve itself in it in order to prevent them out of. it or at least the troops they leave they must be engaged in military and use of force not just training as it was claimed by the americans although people out talking about forming a government whether it's allow you whether it's my ticket what have you that is really not the situation in iraq has been dismantled there is no government there is no the authority in iraq the prime minister cannot leave the green zone there is no military or police in iraq because they are all militias who have been recruited to have the same uniform but that is not a national one but that
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a legion see that to that faction or to the group or to their tribe. trying to establish a democracy by military force is a hopeless task so says political theorist john donne who believes the process of change must be peaceful and you can watch the full interview coming up later this hour here on our team but there's a quick preview for you know. the process of democratization you could say is progress towards a very good outcome which hasn't actually come anywhere in the world so far so if you have an ambitious goal of democratization well there's two experiences taken together of talks this is that it's absolutely hopeless to try to move fall sed in direction of that kind. of. country the pieces of. invading them without going to unfold. believes that this is a menace to their inhabitants. of the. new
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afghanistan which isn't really under anyone's. promising candidates for rapid democratization and it isn't possible to democratize anyway by bombing us in invading it. turned out of some other stories making headlines across the globe there remains of seventy two bodies have been discovered at a ranch near the mexican city of san fernando it fifty eight men and fourteen women were all migrants from south and central america troops were involved in a shootout with suspected drug traffickers after one of the migrants escaped and alerted nearby security forces authorities believe they were trying to reach the u.s. when they were kidnapped by the gang. hong kong has held a memorial service for the victims of monday's bus jacking in the philippine capital manila were lowered to half staff in the city observed a three minute silence relatives of the dead have criticised security forces for
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the handling of the crisis in the philippines. the philippine police have defended their actions saying the officers lack the proper. humpback whale is threaded on a beach in southern brazil for the second time in two days earlier the eleven metre long twenty five ton mammal had been told off a sand bar and hoped back into the ocean biologists say that it is bringing with difficulty and are doubtful that it will survive in taney with a north bound for. a self-proclaimed royal is bringing a legal case against the russian government claiming the kremlin is rightfully his the so-called grand prince of all russia says it's his god given right to rule over the place but critics think he's bluffing and a discredit to genuine royalty. one day soon the russian president will move out of the kremlin and this man will move in if he gets his way meet the grand prince of all russia but it could but if. you're a store procedure should play
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a decisive role in the fate of the country property is a sacred right and we are the owners of the kremlin the government just lodges that's why we filed the lawsuit for it to be returned to us. who would have claims to be a long lost descendant of an extinct in a sea that hasn't full four hundred years he says his ancestors and other nobles paid for the construction of the criminal own money so the family should return the when he has no legal grounds at all for his claims he's just trying to make a name for himself the law clearly says that the property belongs to the state his critics say the ground prince was a communist party functionary a bank executive and a failed poem and she can get it before quite unexpectedly stumbling upon his role roots she is but you know what it is not a case for genealogist but for psychiatrists he seems to more discredit the
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aristocracy than anything. despite being labeled alternatively mentally ill or remake a little maniac the ground prince remains upbeat look i feel i'm not a clown with my hair being given the power of the old mary people did not want to look over to places these people for the hearings. now the kremlin is unlikely to change owen as anything but what the story does prove is that with the three thousand checkered history russia has left a lot of people with claims to property some ludicrous serious. altie. finally in this news block moscow has been a rocking to the sound of you to the irish supergroup info performed in russia for the first time and almost eighty thousand fans flocked to the venue even the rain that came as a surprise in the capital failed to dampen the spirits of the fans bopping to their
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favorites some of the tickets that have been on sale since january top one thousand dollars. robots fighter stage the largest in rock n roll history was set up for the event hundreds of trucks were brought in just to install it the band has been in town since sunday and front man bono met president dmitri medvedev ahead of the show it turned out that the two shared a common love of led zeppelin. rock on well that brings you up to date here on r t i'll be back in about ten minutes time with a recap of our top stories first up though our interview since the birth of the idea in ancient greece democracy is undergrown undergone many changes in definition but is still essential for politics and peace as according to his story and theorist john donne who spoke with artie's lawyer emmet in london. you're a. democracy
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which meant that it's the people who hold the power and exercise you say that sometimes that's a thumping could you elaborate on that well it's not what we have today because very obviously i don't rule the kingdom in the united kingdom and. so you could argue about how many people do it but certainly not very many people who have it in the very definitely most of this isn't in athens the systems weren't a very large proportion of the population but they did take all the public the
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sessions. there went to very many people who were chosen to exercise special. move to the the military leaders elected and that was seen as a rather undemocratic practice but is this very necessary because in a war you want to be quite sure that you were led by the people who lead you to victory do you think democracy can be used to cover up undesirable elements in the political system well i think it always is i mean that is in a way the main point i want to make i mean this is democracy is the name of a form of government not very clearly defined form of government and the police are . no pretension or party political claim which is that a form of government is actually authorized by the people the very very great majority of states in the world. governments which claim to be authorized by the people at large but if you ask how the people actually do their authorizing the
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answer is they have a very very small bit puffed rate if they intervene in some countries barely at all and in any countries only every few years and they're very briefly and in a way which gives the mix stream a little control over the outcome. anything to us had a profound effect on democracy could you describe roughly speaking since the end of the second world war the united states has definitely been a theory opinion that the rest of the world should be governed in much the same way as it was government has been much the most powerful state in the world ever that period of time and it's insisted with a very environments and very in coercive inus on the merits of its way of its approach to governing to other peoples and obviously. for a long period of time between shortly after the end of the second world war and the
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collapse of the soviet union it was essentially in a global power struggle with a completely different way of organizing and both of which i mean call themselves democracy and base of which had some grounds for calling themselves democracy or neither of which on the i'm offering have very strong grounds for calling themselves democracy because that isn't what democracy meant. the us version of democracy is good which station. in the islamic world in the same pot. is sponsoring insurgency part oh twenty first century democracy the united states has no particular insight into most of the rest of the world and it's for a long time a very considerable set up with some power over any other potential competitor has to. bury considerable overconfidence about its capacity to judge what's good and
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bad for other countries and obviously under the. george w. bush presidency it interferes a lot in other parts of the world on the basis of that judgment in a very indiscreet way and yet i see it is how democracy seen isn't it nowadays in this to be evangelical way for george w. bush self said that democracy was the best weapon in fighting terrorism what did you think when he said yes but i thought he was a fool. when you thought he was a fool and the people behind him were knaves if you see what i mean i mean that claim was made in defense of a very forward military and political policy on the united states of the united states in various parts of the world and that policy has not proved at all why and it was inherently objectionable in some respects well known decent motives behind the tool but there were a lot of not very decent motives behind it and it was
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a very stupid policy what has the removal of dictatorial regimes in basic iraq and afghanistan to force us about the process of democratization the process of democratization you could say is progress towards a very good outcome which hasn't actually come out anywhere in the world so far so if you have an ambitious can of democratization what those two experiences taken together of taught us is that it's absolutely hopeless. to try to move fast in a direction of that kind by bombing countries to pieces and invading them. without bothering to inform yourself about what was. the views and beliefs and practices of most of their inhabitants. and neither under saddam hussein the very whole of london nor. new afghanistan
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which isn't really under any one ever. told promising candidates for rapid democratization and it isn't possible to democratize anywhere by bombing it in invading it and here particularly pessimistic about the ability of democracy to bring peace to the middle east well i do think that the middle east is not the sort of place where democracy is going to assist peace fausta. i mean it is a very important fact that the. the most peace of this group amongst the palestinians won the elections in gaza are and they won the elections in gaza because more of the population of gaza agreed with their decision of what was going on and what it meant than with that of their opponents and i think that. i mean israel will anyway who within the jewish population i mean has been a democracy since it became
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a state but it hasn't become much more specific as a result of being a democracy and it's. started off in a very bad place and. it's not a too clear to me i can get back from that position but it is clear to me that democracy is irrelevant. it's a jungle thank you. disarming saddam hussein. passed majority of iraqi citizens. this event brings further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.
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play fries again over embassy in kabul. cherish to watch occupied afghanistan. now occupy sales at guantanamo bay. it made men. it is appropriate today it cordons as would just be kids if he didn't even. if a slap stomach slap if you can should do nothing so that it shocks them especially if it gets slapped but you don't actually break any bones could deter a geisha techniques that we use in j to flaunt before but the senior leadership of . the nothing to. believe transfer says. their childhood was overshadowed by this tragedy. these two feel the fear they faced.
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