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pull open welcome to cross talk on people about the politics of reset beijing in washington and the rise of the multilateral world. to discuss the reset of relations in many different countries and parts of the world i'm joined by thomas graham he's senior director at kissinger associates also we have john nesbitt he is the co-author of the bestselling book china megatrends eight pillars of a new society and we also have doris nesbitt she's the director of the nesbitt china institute i want to go to you first. we when we hear we hear the term reset people obviously go to the united states and russia but i'd like to pose before we get to that reset if it's real or not the greatest reset in international relations in the last twenty years since the end of the cold war is the new

engagement that russia and china have which is quite remarkable ok so i want to talk about this triad a little. bit here but first you know let's let's look at the reset is real and then we'll put china into it is the reset real or is it just a media event just for both sides to say it can't go on like this we really do have to talk to each other and we have to have some kind of moment and it was a change of administration it's a change of administration even if it only were a formula that allowed the two countries to talk together after a very difficult period in the relationship it would be important. that's what the reset has been about the countries are talking together now in a way they haven't in the past four or five years there's an intensity of engagement the senior levels that we haven't seen at least since the early years of the bush administration question is what are these two countries going to do going forward the first year and a half i think it's been promising in changing the tone in the relationship there's

been a start agreement that signed i believe will be ratified in both the united states and russia the question going forward is what do these two countries do to get there in the future to straighten this relation what do they do together john if i can go to you here i mean again the reset to really focus on the united states and russia i don't see a lot of evidence of reset and i think that they are still working they're still working on issues that they were before and just a different stress ok and we'll see what the results are but let's let's let's china into the cards here because that relationship he agrees. but if it be the change in relations between china and russia or is very important and significant for the world the engagement of the united states and china and china has a lot of cards on the table now people say it's the group of two now ok i will throw russian that makes a little bit later the chinese don't like that very much but i do want to be one

you know they don't they don't want to get involved in that game and they don't like the responsibility or the attention. big one. two when they really try to join the world and be part of the world they really they don't even like the eight twenty to begin with. so i think there's got to be a huge reset on the part mostly of the united states to accommodate. its own behavior to accommodate the new. extraordinary presence of china and the great mix of countries and politics of the world. i mean in looking at china and the. there is the sense that the chinese do remember history they remember their own history very well. emerging it's reemerging if i get the

chinese narrative correct ok and that also involves its neighborhood ok the relationship between let's say pretty forty nine china. in what was the soviet union of going back to the russian empire was not always very good with the chinese would see would certainly historically that the russians were part of the carving up of china of its influence in the humiliation of china and i think that that reemergence is to erase that but you know russia feels very much the same you think when you look at russia and i'm not asking you to be a russia expert but you know emerging on the international stage do you see it's similarities between russia and china in a match and on the international stage no i think that's totally totally different if we used the west as a reference point is a reference point because we have an international system that was designed and controlled and benefits the west and now it's being very much challenging the

biggest challenge of course is china yes but china has never. wanted to be part of the west russia has wanted to. of the rest of the west you mention china's history china is very much aware of its own history people are very proud of their history and if we look back to history in the in the twentieth century of course they have been very much linked to russia in their thinking russia was part of their model of course russia pour out a lot of moxie and it was we were saying so yes ok yes the soviet union saw and now the chinese have a little bit the problem they drifted away from the communists thinking they still call it communism but it's a completely different way of communism so i think that you cannot really compare the two countries because their thinking is very different as we experience it but

you know you. will what are they what is the chinese russian relationship trying to achieve here is it because together they have more clout in challenging western institutions they believe in western values as the world changes we've seen it we heard earlier this for their democratic problems with democracies in the west as well i mean it's everyone has their problems and some can say they have their achievements what's the relationship between russia and what do they want to get from each other and maybe pursue on the international outrage particular from the russian standpoint this is a way of increasing one's weight in the world aligning with china and issues that are important to challenge the way the west united states has tried to control the international system to insert a new set of if ideas ways of doing things of making a point that countries that are increasing in economic weight should have

a voice in the governance of the global economic system that's equivalent to their increasing weight so i think the russians are tactical advantage out of. i don't know where this leads over the long run is a big question mark russia and trying to do come from two different perspectives on international affairs two different histories two different credit traditions russia much more obviously a european country thinks of itself as a european country so why i think there's a certain tactical advantage at this point as each country china and russia tries to assert itself on the international stage it's worth watching where this will take take both countries over the next ten years and then go to you joe what does china want as it is certainly asserts itself on the international space because we're getting kind of a division here you know they like the economic clout they want to be able to pursue their economic and agenda part of the communist party is the party of expectations ok you have to meet those expectations but does that match the same on

the international stage of responsibility as being a global citizen is it that can they have the same thing because the west thinks very much in those terms it is always a package deal it's a package deal you know that. they want. you know it's like it's like the you know say gee you got to create the value of that because that will help our exports in us well china is now the chair of you know china you've got you can count on china to do what is best for china and. in all these regards and china is not it's so preoccupied with its own growth. that it's not it's not spending very much time thinking about you know does it connects you with joining the world and also in connection with natural resources that africa has been doing really when when policy their personal but not it was

that when africa would say that well a lot versus what the rest is done with if they are not fair government to government although we know what was happening there. but china doesn't also spend too much of its time worrying about russia. there is the year we have the new one because it will have to worry about radio or doesn't have to worry about russia it doesn't worry that much about the us china is preoccupied with do with developing china and they've got a long way to go and if so it's a view us the people who are articulate the problems of china most fervently are the chinese i mean they talk and the biggest problem in china by far is the growing leadership always says the growing gap between the between the income between the rural and the urban and fifty percent are still rural the energy that's going into

that is far greater than the energy that is growing into international considerations all of a attend to that there is finally the we always tend to think you want to country's rising you know with its economic might should we expect it to take on moral responsibilities on the international stage as well let's say there's a humanitarian crisis. like like haiti should and should make a rich country we can talk about what rich means ok quantitatively atlas at least should the chinese be also there as a footstep there and helping out people here because it is a major player and he wants to be respected as a major player should they be equal you know with their economic weight while of course and they are beginning to feel that responsibility and to react to that responsibility and of course they are in that in a position where they need to to increase that to make their reputation much better

than it is because they asked phil they will if they're so concerned with internal development. to run the other side i mean john said you know there there is really . ok i mean do they really care what the outside world. yes i don't think that he meant they don't care about the outside world just invite them that i nama and you will have. you know that there are certain points where the chinese have a strong sense ability about they say they want not achievement else to will and on one way they are very careful in stepping on the stage of the world because they don't want to be pushed back on the other hand of course they want to have a share a share in the responsibility and a share in the in the voice they want their voice to be heard as well and they are in this in this gap between internal needs for example when we said to chinese

politician well why don't you if the dalai lama so big attention just don't say anything then of course they have to be the people who expect them to react in certain ways to certain things so as john said that's what what i want to underscore by that you have what is it like you know you say point after we take a short break when we come back we'll continue our discussion on resetting international relations stable started. if. you want to. discover it.

every month we give you the future you understand. and bring the best in science and technology from across russia and around the world. welcome back to cross talk i'm peter about three months you were talking about the resetting of relations on the international arena including beijing washington in moscow ok before we went to the break you were one of the jump in go at it well it's not so much the chinese want to be thought. the chinese want to be

humiliated you know they speak a hundred years of humiliation the japanese invasion the opium wars you know from the outside world and they are so sensitive about this this kind of humiliation that they want to move through and get on the other side of it that's what drives them in here rather than want to be well thought of which they do two or another level but deep down it's no more. ok. not least on the international stage and i can go into me. and if again you know we have seen democracy promotion expression during the bush admin the bush administration bush jr which was thought of very badly here and that's an understatement here i mean that the democracy card is always being played with doors were also pointed out you know the dalai lama that's what maybe people know the red buttons to press

when it comes to the chinese but how much should we expect of that i mean we have an international system financially it's very much in crisis and a lot of people. as they look in your country florida two thousand you know you had an election problem you know i mean why should you be telling everybody else what to do i mean how sensitive should the chinese be about that i mean to say it's irrelevant it's not part of our tradition but there are elements within china itself that say that needs more democratization look i mean democracy is part of the international game at this point it's not only the united states that thinks in these terms we had a discussion at the forum today about democracy every country wants to think of itself as democracy at its ability because it's an inherent good it's because it's seen as a way of legitimate government at this point do you believe this is going to lead to anything with democracy no absolutely but but the fact that it's become part of an accurate that everybody talks in the street in those terms means that it does

have some some significance in international affairs in the way we talk about these issues. democracy will always be a part of american foreign policy the question is how do you go about promoting that would you take a very aggressive approach the way the bush administration did take another approach that is more in line with our tradition in line with our traditions to protest think the bombing ministration is taking which you make your own country a success demonstration effect absolutely other countries want to emulate as opposed to trying to impose your values on others but that always be part of the discussion and people writing about china people writing about russia at some point will raise the question of how democratic it is just part of the game it's it's inevitable and it's i think it's very good how democratic it is in whose terms the west specifically the united states thinks that democracy can only be one way and if you're not doing it our way you're not doing democracy means the reign of the people that's so the greeks said that's how it started the greeks who had slavery

themselves the reign of the people and how you do that can be done in many different ways but the west and particularly the. this is system unless you doing it are where you're not really doing it and we are booking our research we did we talk about the beginnings. of a new kind of method station with of the markers the rate of the people as a vertical democracy dynamic interplay bottom up and top top it's really starting to reshape china. in the democratic way in a way that results people but no one's going to buy it in the west unless it's just like the west which is a conceit that really doesn't hold water when you look at the history and it's very interesting in this part of the world where in russia and we look at the post soviet space you know. two decades on a lot of people will say and i'd like to ask this of doris in reference to china is

it people say what is it produced ok we look at ukraine ok for a period over years and in time this is very well. it's democracy didn't bring you anything except for chaos or you could prove that you could possibly pull off an election but that's all it did ok you got political deadlock you didn't get any progress in the economy tanked in the ukrainian economy take before the economic crisis you can imagine how bad it is i mean is that where the chinese will look at it to say you know we will take this element because it's fish and it works for us ok at a certain level where decision making can we can change and i agree with john me and say well that's not democracy but it's as we maybe a wet western discourse i mean is that how the chinese will look at it i mean it has to be there has to be participation but it can be done and enter in terms that fit their model of traditions for its well. yes as you say they want to

know what well some what doesn't and they have a very clear goal they want modest wealth for. everybody in china and to reach that goal that is sort of the basic idea how do we create wealth for modest well for our people now they have the opinion that communism didn't work in the way they picked it up so they got rid of it and now they are searching for their own model which they will base of course on their own history and on their own culture and that's the way they very pragmatically go for what they can be called a huge trial and error. you know it's such an enormous country so instead of putting one system above everything they create their special economic zones for example and now we're moving to a special political zones to try out different development different models and if

it works in the region then they spread it across the country so they have a different model they used to get the results of course if you compare that to the western democracy which party could afford to say look we're going to declare. california to be the model for this and that you know you would be stoned by the other party you could never have the time to really go through the years that are necessary to bring you the results so this is one of the advantages of the constancy of one party it's not called one party but they definitely it is sort of a one party system that they can put up strategic goals and then. let framed the forest so to say to reach the goal and let the people do whatever is necessary to get nothing succeeds like success. we've been talking about individual

countries and democracy and i agree with you that it's become part of binocular but it's it's current it's value is the so debased right now. i don't even like using the term anymore but you know a lot of people in this part of the world in the middle and western world in russia we have a separate program on that day about its identity and you're very well aware of that but you know they will but there will be people in china and india brazil much of south america russia will say fine you talk you talk the talk of democracy but the international system isn't democratic at all ok there's a small number of people they can say no we're not going to do that one one or two countries can derail so many things initiatives in the world because that one country can say no but that's not democratic and it's a very huge double standard type i'm not going to take it aside on the climate change but the united states really dragged its feet for a very long time according to we've we want to listen to continues to because one

country has made that decision and then the chinese can say well since you know you're not getting involved why should we get involved whatever side you follow on it it's rather tragic ok we have how we're both americans and they were all three of the three or four of us are americans i mean it's ok you know how do we how do we react to that challenge and you say you talk the talk and walk the walk of democracy but the international system is far from democratic and no one claims that the international system is democrat how can you keep using it if we can use this binocular of democracy all the time because democracy we would argue applies to individual societies since the individual is relationship with with the rulers it's not a theory that you apply to international relations person in part should we in part because there are sufficient differences in values and way people think about the worst that you would have our democracy is universal. even making that claim the devil's that no i understand it may be universal in certain very broad terms but

the way it is implemented in any society different dramatically based on the history and tradition of those. societies democracy works in a in a in a country where there's already a political community we respect one another we know how what the framework is for the dispute and we will conduct this dispute within that framework and we're willing as americans to let a majority determine who the present in the united states is going to be or how the congress is going to run and. we're not in a position where we feel we share enough in terms of fundamental values or traditions that we would allow a billion chinese three hundred million americans that i think is a very crude way why because the americans would lose well obviously we would lose but the point is you can have democracy in china because there is a shared cultural context with it we can have democracy in russia there's a shared cultural context as well in the united states and work by country but when

you move try to move across societies and move across value systems i think we're in a different ball game and that's what international affairs and what do you mean and i appreciate everything it's said but i mean a lot of people in the world would say that you know is that the international system is stacked in favor of very well i mean there is no you know somebody lifting anything new it's certainly the stack it's been reshuffled recently. but you know what's interesting about this talk about democracy and about china and whether or not it's becoming democratic as we believe it is you know a very different different way is that the western democracies are so dysfunctional these days their western democracy their parliaments are paralyzed all over the place including the latest examples australia. almost all the represent democracies are including india in japan.