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key to our problem our own right. total again and welcome to spotlight the. hard to. get to the studio is part of the. talking about something that brings a smile to everyone's face cartoons. is a russian animator a man who can breathe life into any object how does he do that and why his old fashioned puppets instead of three d. animation would be talking about this morning. one of the most accomplished russian mobsters of petunia mation gary bargain started his career as

an actor after the most who puppet theater hired him as a director of a little moving character has grabbed gary's attention is soon moved to the main soviet could choose to you to become a director and. the best way. discovered his talent has made over a dozen of the too many nations many of which have received awards in russia and abroad he now runs his own car to studio and says it allows him to be free up in his fantasies and strange it may seem but gary still sticks with good old puppets and plasticity rather than high tech animation. hello mr borden thank you for coming to our program. first i would like to ask you about your cartoon technique when he was told to use the traditional technique of hand drawing to make cartoons so it's not what you meant classical animated cartoons similar to the disney films pushtuns ever think that whereas you gave up

a traditional technique at some stage that confidence which overturned conventional trains like that matches nails and clay. the thing is that i started with classical animation as you said but then i invented the technique i used in the conflict in my film about matches in a way and i understood that i had invented that even in this right here as i realize that i wouldn't trust it to anybody in that i should do it myself and when i did it myself with my phone stop motion much more interesting than just drawing cartoons over the swiss thing is that the process of making a hand drawn cartoonist long involves many people and steamships therefore it's hard for me to control the entire process but in stop motion there are only three people involved the camera mantra the cartoonist and i and that's all of course the technique has changed tone studios produce more cartoons these days but i remember when my sister and i were small kids strongly preferred hand drawn closer. motion

cultures were more for adults the formula children of my generation was washed only drawn called susan of course will disney cartoons were the best is the situation different now. i think so because it changed it and you see. no i don't claim that it was but i helped change it. wonderful stop motion cartoon. in the middle because it tells more about can you explain what never looks nice on paper. but is because he's a three d. character at this is amazing isn't it to be in here requires a three d. presentation as was initially designed the feeling was it's impossible to drop ship because it looks ugly yes he's flat his flats an ugly finish the thing is when children watched a good stop motion film they thought it was hand drawn that is the children's perception of a cartoon anyway even though our viewers may dislike this to can you can issue that

we need to cross this bridge and make them like it if we succeed in making them interested we consider that to be arbitrary. and maybe wrong but i think that the soviet union and russia will play a new years of unconventional animation like claymation and so on but that was to leave it there are no many countries actually experimented with stop motion for example there was a man by the name of quark in bristol in the u.k. who put the word was a because nobody could make less ago courses better than disney. no that's thought actually never answered my mind you're the first person to whom it occurred right now because it's a polaroid which only why do i think that crazy a favorite material is in its. clays one of my favorite materials because i also work with the wire and the matches and then i had a cartoon called the banquet where we have a table with a real forks knives and wine glasses moving around without human characters i've

tried various techniques but closer to hand drawn animation that's easy to work with it's easy to produce on the usual and brisk movements and that's why i prefer clay to shoot it because it's it is there is someone in russian or foreign and. mation considered to be your teacher your guru. in which because not in any mation but to me there are three giants charlie chaplin federico fellini and will do and the cup it's not like i worshiped them but to me they're the best give me a summer well i'm not surprised you have mentioned disney have them which is hard to find a cartoonist who wouldn't mention disney by the way surprisingly only disney didn't drool he didn't make films he didn't read music for his cartoons in fact he was a businessman know he could draw in addition to other things he was a cartoonist no he could draw but he didn't draw his own cartoons you know but he was brainy one actually he was a producer yes he was a producer but also he was

a very smart person with a director has to be smart politically disney was smart and he knew so much about people that he could portray any person the way he did the bench after disney busch claymation became different but it's different. so you think what will disney studios have been producing since disney's death is not as good studios by the way what was the last concert introduced by disney. busted i don't remember which one was the last but i can see that the lion king there must have been after his death. of course he had long been dead by that time the lion king is somewhat reminiscent of bambi here's. the long history of the schools or to what you did then there are other cartoons you know i don't think the lion king is anywhere near the man they know and king is vulgar whereas. that's what you say.

right. let's talk about something else. in the soviet times when freedom was considered practically nonexistent. but even in your experiments with a lot of animation. in the present there of market relations would come out in the collapse once everything is considered from the standpoint of money if the bill was do you think it would be possible to work the same way today for your. you know i don't know what that the rapper was look up at the this is a tough question that was sure we're doing today there is no censorship on the one hand but on the other hand there is no money what that tips they still seem sign both director and producer i have to consider these things you know in the past we said we need films but i'm sure today we make a product but with products you need to make them attractive to people but i try not to think about it but that was just i try to do the same thing i did in the

soviet period things that i care about and that hopefully viewers carry. however in my elitist project. duckling trying to combine incompatible things as a tour zero it's both commercial success and artistic values you who go to there's an interesting thing i'd like to talk about what is said that no matter who all it's trying to work the way you like like wish that doesn't mean that there's a certain financial independence that you enjoy in that frees you from worrying about the commercial success of what you did you know i don't have such financial independence. even during the soviet period really valued in the cheeriest my ear freedoms went on this idea that you should rule freedom from what from the yours from the interests and preferences seem to say i don't care i do what i want you don't have to watch if you don't want to and i don't wish to know these are

your words not mine you just go as far as fred actually i'm just asking you don't want to if you don't want to is not you know measured at their shoes you know it's not like consider my viewers my inner freedom means that i make films about things that are important to me i don't care about fashion fashion means nothing to me and i work on things that i care about. you know train as an actor if you're an actor as i know right but i think i am as. how helpful is it so much of an actor or you today look at the state of course i'm still in the player characters so you have to play yes i play for each of my characters for a single so these are all the rules and you play the number of i would have never played these many roles in the future of the ugly duckling alone has more than four hundred characters you know i play them all cut that will come when i set tasks for any meters. those roles with accuracy up to each music and for serious should they

all have to be acted according to the task i was just so the to be in oxford and i did so you want to be one and i became want to take i mean the real one of your own face out there didn't work out for you or what happened. i worked at a theatre for four years so you did play in a theatre i did and i played in the future and i did all kinds so for other things but later i realised that there was something inside me that i hadn't been aware of to express it i had to try writing and. you don't regret it you never became a hero in the cooling or a denny de vito do you not for a moment have fun maher thing you know i enjoy my war over what i feel that i really belong here says ag i really by now is one of the most titled. russian animated to take spotlight to move out shortly there right after a break so stay with us we'll continue this interview less than

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still on the agenda. the lessons to be learned from the munich agreement. welcome back to spotlight i'll do you know and just to remind you that my guest in the studio today is gary biden who is one of the most renowned russian animated cartoon makers. in the spring but in the what the mr barton let's finish the subject of you take nixon methods but i would like says kid about the music schools that they're called susie is all sorts of music so it seems to me that music is

always very important to say that i read somewhere that you were listening to music all the times you were working on the window saying do you always work like that and does music for you personally. you know i had a cartoon i made with wire girl he received a poem dorian con had no music at all but generally i like music even more than animation so when i'm working on the ugly duckling for example the reason in this way the young lead duckling turns into a swan beauty swan the kind of sub swan means it's one like he didn't it was a little swan lake. i began looking for what he had to offer to fit in with that story i found several themes from the not crack purchase then emeril and composer so again osteen arranged a musical you know i asked. to perform it was a procession he agreed on condition that i don't do stuart tchaikovsky score so i

told you my love take kolsky as much as he did but you know libretto comes straight from understands book right there are no notes that was the only thing left from understand is the duckling turning into a swan that's all the rest is mine. so you did. change deliberate troll did him in music in all of the music yes to the libretto but you can change it as much as your life and i did without any hesitation and how much does it do it all himself. and in told her anything she was dearly a classical rendering general knowledge was an arranged tchaikovsky we had twenty seven numbers twenty five were arranged things while they two last ones more original tchaikovsky scores than it was in the impression you get is that those pieces specifically for me and this is what i saw sort of sheaves as the orchestra recorded music but it was a brilliant job keeping to the music healy key wrote the lyrics and these were

performed by some of the best actors like constantine reich in our mentor good. svetlana step chin cut. himself who did the part of the. let's hear more now from spotlights he and they did neither. a cartoon instead of a concert in moscow house of music has decided on the usual open into its new season the ugly duckling is not just any cartoon the soundtrack is cheap one like and not correct recorded by the national feel are more nicole kiss truck because they were recorded the music for the cartoon i conduct of the orchestra which is my usual job but when i dub the animal rooster it was gary barden the director of the film who conducted the whole process. he knew exactly each word in each movement of his characters from the very beginning until a very end so i just had. the full length cartoon uses stop go and imation in russia this kind of animation has always been considered more sophisticated with the dominance of computer technologies on screen hand made

characters appear to possess specialist. kilos of clay and feathers were turned into the four hundred characters at this very tame it took gary pardon the director six years to make them talk and walk finally it's down to ordinances to say if the magical then a nation works for them and if clay characters are able to compete with computed contra fox. scores it's ok let's talk about your latest work what. it took you six years and interest and. in one of your recent interviews . you said the cartoon. was turning your response to the growth of xenophobia. you said you wanted to show that any person can turn out to be totally different from what they initially seem to be. six years ago you already wanted to

speak out against those things that most of this problem existed six years ago are you an eight or nine years ago i made a cartoon called it the janet in dress to same issue it's a ten minute film. music but when the work was over i realized that hi i haven't covered this subject sufficiently when there is more to be said on the sure my son who is a fictional film director developed the subject in his film russia eighty eight it's also about xena fall b.m. and so i thought that in this country where naziism is tolerated where skinheads can marchin the streets and people think. no but i must talk about these things to children and curling up so like so they never despise a person because they are different you know what i hate it when people scorn immigrants this mustn't be happening in russia. this means you're not

a free person to say you're free and you're sending this for the serious social and political message that i'm not free from society but i'm free to express my views the way i see things it's where we should. you showed your film at look or no no it was a success for usually used for you have they what was it rayless success or did you expect anything else. well i'm looking forward to being shown in russia of course but judging by locarno reactions to the world premiere of that we had i wasn't accepted by the critics remarkably well let me be motorist and see that it was accepted remarkably well with in another confirmation is the fact that with the foam has been invited by around thirty world film festivals you don't like film festivals it seems to me you're easily offended do you think so not at all which they did with said make if they do something you don't like you don't talk to them anymore yes that's true and that's normally normal but why that but you know if it

was the other what i've said is that you know they share anything else you know it's my nature and you're the same i'm sure you don't visit a house where you're not welcome to you know that sold out their other houses or used other festivals that may dislike an artist of your caliber there are many directors that are highly unpleasant people and there's a role there are not very good natured people don't want to go into detail there are people of this kind so why rule it out for myself. all right you said not so long ago that the ugly duckling could have only been made in russia. but i do think still welcomes go this year well you know for example i travel to to switzerland. simply you know i was thinking why we know russia had so much of a loss to feel switzerland has much less of it people over there are simply living true source people over here are in agony and ask themselves why are we that way and then philosophy springs up but in principle i wouldn't have done it over the

years because they're kind of living is weary quiet and that's their way generally . let's let me give you some statistics regarding you but let's listen there were four hundred plus characterise seashores more to mentally frame after frame have had their a one hundred and seven thousand frames in the film the sensations of screen time in three days of filmmakers will process took six years why you have so unwilling to use computer technology after all even in your technique you can use computers to finish the frame of the leap you don't have to work on the menu it would be the same thing sure some live with no no it wouldn't the difference is that it's in material culture and it's handed me because that and i like it that i like it because i trost what i see on the screen when it's real stuff but if it's orange has to be a real irony if it's a mood in has to be real mood as

a viewer i trust real things more than something immediate to look like are nor would it mean what do you how would the computer reason. i don't have anything against it if one day i feel i want to use the computer all do so not because someone expects me to but because i wanted myself let me ask you one more question . well i think i know the answer but i don't know if you're willing to give a frank answer what's it to do have three d. called citizens seven times take a breath taking creative and of course children are crazy about them what's your attitude to that she meets what can attract museum uncork at least for now they really are you against it and you know i'm not against him but i value. cinema for all other things for instance when i watch the closing scene off city lights were the formally of a blonde girl in the us the troops charlie chaplin's hands can recognize a scene and he has a flower between his teeth and he's smiling it's

a black and white movie but i await much more it's a corona holiday for example he again it's a black and white not always she's leaving any closing scene. no special glasses no three d. just great cinema pure and simple and it makes your heart beat or two bucks or so for me it's so foreign museum and if it's on to the person it comes and does this tour that will make your soul soar it is just wonderful with me but it was so foreign. technological thing simple tools and nothing more explicit about space and i'm going to show thank you very much for being with us and just to remind that my guest today was gary barlow one of the most titled russian animated cartoon makers and that's it for now from all of us here if you don't have your sales spotlight or have someone who lied to you think i shouldn't tell you next i'm just at spotlight will be back with offers that comments on what's going on outside russia until then

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