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damage is down the black man moving but very little damming the white. and they are the key to our problem our own right. total again and welcome to spotlight the. guest in the studio is got to. talking about something that brings a smile to everyone's face cartoons. is a russian animated the man who can breathe life into any object how does he do that and why his old fashioned puppets instead of three d. animation would be talking about this morning. one of the most

acknowledged russian mobsters of the too many nations gary bargain started his career as an actor after the most good puppet theater hired him as a director the little moving camera to his grabs gary's attention is soon moved to the main soviet could choose to you to become a director and. the best way. discovered his talent has made over a dozen of petunia missions many of which have received awards in russia and abroad he now runs his own car to studio and says it allows him to be free up in his fantasies and strange it may seem but gary still sticks with good old puppets and plasticity rather than high tech animation. hello mr borden thank you for coming to our program let's get a we should. first i would like to ask you about your cartoon technique when he was told to use the traditional technique of hand drawing to make cartoons so it's not

what you meant classical animated cartoons that are similar to the disney films pushtuns ever think that whereas you give up a traditional technique at some stage and switch over to unconventional trains like that it matches nails and clay. the thing is that i started with classical animation as you said but then i invented the technique i used in the conflict in my film about matches in a way and i understood that i had invented that if you mean this right here i realize that i wouldn't trust it to anybody in that i should do it myself and when i did it myself with my phone stop motion much more interesting than just drawing cartoons over the swiss thing is that the process of making a hand drawn cartoonist long involves many people and therefore it's hard for me to control the entire process but in stop motion there are only three people involved the camera mantra the cartoonist and i that's all of course the technique has changed in studios produce more cartoons these days is that i remember when my

sister and i were small kids strongly preferred hand drawn closer to. motion cultures were more for adults children of my generation it was washed only drawn called susan of course will disney cartoons were the best is the situation different now. i think so because it changed it and you see. no i don't claim audited but i have to change it should be a special wonderful stop motion cartoon. could you tell us more about can you explain what she never looks nice on paper. but this because he's a three d. character at this is amazing isn't it to be in here requires a three d. presentation as was initially designed the feeling was it's impossible to draw because it looks ugly yes he's flat his flats an ugly finish the thing is when children watched a good stop motion film they thought it was hand drawn that is the children's

perception of a cartoon anyway even though our viewers may dislike it is to can you can issue that we need to cross this bridge and make them like it if we succeed in making them interested we consider that to be arbitrary because it may be wrong but i think that the soviet union and russia with quite a new years of unconventional animation like claymation and so on that was to leave it there were no many countries ever to lex paramount it would stop motion for example there was a man by the name of park in bristol in the u.k. which i don't wasn't because nobody could make less ago courses better than disney . no that's thought it actually never answered my mind you're the first person to whom it occurred right now scares it's a polaroid which only why do i think that crazy a favorite material is in its. clays one of my favorite materials because i also work with the wire and matches and then i had a cartoon called the banquet where we have a table with

a real forks knives and wine glasses moving around without human characters i've tried various techniques but schools are hand drawn animation that it's easy to work with it's easy to produce on the usual and brisk movements that's why i prefer clay pursued it because it's it is there is someone in russian or foreign and. mation you consider to be your organ teacher your guru. in which because not in any mation i mean but to me there are three giants charlie chaplin federico fellini and well disney it's not like i worshiped them but to me they're the best get me out when i'm not surprised you have mentioned disney they have them which is hard to find a cartoonist who wouldn't mention disney the way surprisingly only disney didn't drool he didn't make films he didn't read music for his cartoons inserts he was a businessman he know he could draw in addition to other things he was a cartoonist you know he could draw but he didn't draw his own cartoons you know

but he was brainy one actually he was a producer yes he was a producer but also he was a very smart person with a director has to be smart but he was smart and he knew so much about people that he could portray any person the way he did the bench after disney became different kinds good but it's different. so you think what will disney studios have been producing since disney's death is not as good studio by the way what was the last concert introduced by disney you know what. i don't remember which one was the last but i can see that the lion king there must have been after his death. of course he had long been dead by the time the lion king is somewhat reminiscent of bambi is. there a long history he schools or to what you did then there are other cartoons you know i don't think the lion king is anywhere nearby and they know i'm king is vulgar

whereas. that's what you say. all right so let's let's talk about something else. in the soviet times when freedom was considered practically nonexistent. but even in you experimented a lot with animation. cuts in the present pair of market relations would cut that in the everything is considered from the standpoint of money if the bill was to you think it would be possible to work the same way today for your. i don't know what the look up at the this is a tough question that was sure we're doing today there is no censorship on the one hand but on the other hand there is no money what that helps they so. both director and producer i have to consider these things at the you know in the past we said we need films but i'm sure today we make a product but a book with the products you need to make them attractive to people but i try not

to think about it but that was just i tried to do the same thing i did in the soviet period things that i care about and that hopefully viewers carry. however in my elitist project. duckling i try to combine incompatible things as a tour zero it's both commercial success and artistic values you who go to see what the there is an interesting thing i'd like to talk about what is said that no matter who all it's trying to work the way you like like wish that doesn't mean that there's a certain financial independence that you enjoy in that crazy from worrying about the commercial success of what you did. which you know i don't have such financial independence. even during new soviet period really valued in the cheeriest my ear freedoms went on the. freedom from what's from viewers from the interests and

preferences seem to say i don't care i do what i want you don't have to watch if you don't want to and i don't wish to know these are your words not mine. actually i'm just asking you don't want to if you don't want to is not you know measured at their shoes you know it's not like consider my viewers yep and what it. means that . is about things that are. are important to me i don't care about fashion fashion means nothing to me from my work on things that i care about. you are treating as an actor if you're an actor as on the right i think i am as. helpful as it so much of an actor or you today look at this time of course i'm still on that to you play your characters so you have to play yes i play for each of my characters tricycle so these are all the rules and you play the number of i would have never played these many roles in a theater which through the ugly duckling alone has more than four hundred characters you know i play them all when i set tasks for any meters. those roles

with accuracy up to each music and for serious should they all have to be acted according to the task i would use so that to be in oxford and i did it so you want to be one and i became want to know i mean the real one live your own face out there did work out for you what happened. then i worked at a theatre for four years or so you did play in a theatre i did and i played in the future and i did all kinds so for other things but later i realised that there was something inside me that i hadn't been aware of and i had to express it i had to try writing and. you don't regret it you never became a hero any cooling or a denny de vito do you know if for a moment i'll have fun maher thing you know i enjoy my war when i feel that i really belong here says i gather a body that was one of the most i told. russian as a native to spotlight to move back shortly after

a break stay with us we'll continue this interview less than a minute and go. this history still keeps its secrets but now it's time to reveal. the song.

this. still on the agenda. the lesson was to be learned from the munich agreement on our . wall come back to spotlight i'll do you know of and just to remind you that my guest in the studio today is gary biden who is one of the most renowned russian animated cartoon makers at this point but the what the mr barton let's finish the subject of you take makes another that's probably had like says kay about the music

that they're called tunes use all sorts of music but it seems to me that music is always very important to you because i read somewhere that you were listening to music all the time while you were working on the plane with that do you always work like that and does music for you personally. you know i had a cartoon i made with wire kill it received the poem dorian khan and it had no music at all but generally i like music even more than animation so when i'm working on the ugly duckling for example the reason this way the young lee duckling turns into a swan that could beauty swan the close up swan means it's one like he didn't it was a little swan lake. began looking for what. you offered to fit in with that story i found several themes from the nutcracker then emeril and composers have a range to music you know i ask people to perform it as

a procession he agreed on condition that i don't do stuart tchaikovsky score so i told you my love take kolsky as much as he did but you know libretto comes straight from understands book writing there are no notes that was that the only thing left from understand is the duckling turning into a swan that's all the rest is mine. so you do. change the role did him in music in all of the music yes to the libretto but you can change it as much as you like a little and i did it without any hesitation and how much does it do it all himself . and in told her anything she goes dearly a classical rendering girl no it was an arranged tchaikovsky we had twenty seven numbers twenty five were arranged things so wildly to less to wandsworth original tchaikovsky scores and it was an impression you get is that your wrote those pieces specifically for me and this is what i saw as orchestra recorded music it was

a brilliant job keeping to the music healy team wrote the lyrics and these were performed by some of the best actors like constantine reichen arm and. the answer people call himself who did the porn and all the. let's hear more now from spotlights here and they did me the. tune instead of a concert the moscow house of music has decided on an unusual opening to its new season the ugly duckling is not just any cartoon the soundtrack is cheap one like and not correct recorded by the national feel are more nick oka struck when we recorded the music for the cartoon i conducted the orchestra which is my usual job but when i dubbed the animal rooster it was gary barnett the director of the film who conducted the whole process. he knew exactly each word and each movement of his characters from the very beginning to a very end so i just had. the full length to not use this stop go and

imation in russia this kind of animation has always been considered more sophisticated with the dominance of computer technologies on screen hand made characters appear to possess specialist. for kilos of clay and feathers were turned into the four hundred characters at this very tame it took gary borden the director six years to make them talk and walk finally it's down to audiences to say if the magical then a nation works for them and if clay characters are able to compete with computer contra fox. scores it's ok let's talk about your latest work what. took you six years and interest and length. of your recent interviews with. the cartoon. was to extend your response to the growth of xenophobia for would be in

a strain if you said you wanted to show that any person can turn out to be totally different from what they initially seemed to be. six years ago you already wanted to speak out against those things that most of this problem existed six years ago you would eat or nine years ago i made a cartoon called at the janet interest to say me she didn't it's a ten minute film. music but when the work was over i realised that hi i haven't covered this subject sufficiently when there is more to be said on the sure my son who is a fictional film director developed a subject in his film russia eighty eight it's also bugs in a fog yeah you're pretty good so i thought that in this country where naziism is tolerated where skinheads can march in the streets and people think it is. no but i must talk about these things to children and girl enough to like so they never despise a person because they are different i hate it when people scorn immigrants this

must not be happening in russia. this means you're not a free person you say you are free and yet you're sending this for the serious social and political message that i'm not free from society but i'm free to express my views the way i see things it's where we should. you showed your film it look or know that you know it was a success for usually you have was it rayless success or did you expect anything else. well i'm looking forward to being shown in russia of course judging by locarno reactions to the world premiere that we had i wasn't accepted by the critics remarkably well let me be modus to see that it was accepted remarkably well when you need it in another confirmation is the fact that when the foam has been invited by around thirty world film festivals you don't like film festivals it seems to me you're easily offended do you think so not at all which they did with

said make if they do something you don't like you don't talk to them anymore yes that's true and that's normal normal but why but you know if it was the last show what i've said is that you know they sure are anything else you know it's my nature into your the same i'm sure you don't visit a house where you're not welcome to you know that's home there are other houses i used to go there festivals that my dislike of not just all the ok there are many directors that are highly unpleasant people and there's a role there are not very good natured people well i don't want to go into detail there are people of this kind so why rule it out for myself. holroyd souls that you said not so long ago that the ugly duckling could have only been made in russia. but i do think so. of this year well you know for example i travel to to switzerland. simply and i was thinking why we know russia hates so much for the last a few switzerland has much less of it people over there are simply living source

people over here are in agony and ask themselves why are we that way and then philosophy springs up but in principle i wouldn't have done it over the years because their kind of living is weary quiet and that's their way generally but let's let me give you some statistics regarding the let's listen there were four hundred plus characterise seashores more to mentally frame after frame have had their one hundred and seven thousand frames in the film that they send seconds of screen time in three days of filmmakers they'll process took six years why do you have so unwilling to use computer technology after all even in your technique you can use computers to finish the frame car that if you don't have to work on the menu it will be the same thing sure some with no we couldn't get out the difference is that it's in material culture and it's me because that and i like it yet that i like it because all my traumas to what i see on the screen when it's real stuff are

and has to be a real irony if it's rude in has to be a real buddhist as a viewer i trust real things more than something immediate to look like are nor would it mean what do you how would the computer reason. i don't have anything in the studio one day i feel i want to use the computer all do so not because someone expects me to but because i wanted myself let me ask you one more question. well i think i know the answer but i don't know if you're willing to give a frank answer what's it to do here three d. call citizens seven times take a breath taking creative and of course children are crazy about them what's your attitude to that she meets want to commit to action museum in cork at least for now there will be a repro you against it so you know i'm not against him but i value. cinema for all other things for instance when i watch the closing scene off city lights where the formally a blond girl in the us the troops charlie chaplin's hands can recognize

a scene and he has a flower between his teeth and he's smiling it's a black and white movie but i wait much more it's a corona holiday for example he again it's a black and white not always she's leaving any closing scene i always no special glasses no three d. just great cinema pure and simple and it makes your heart beat or two books old so for me it's so foreign museum and if you tell it to the person it comes and does this turiya that will make your soul soar it is just wonderful with me but it was so foreign to technological things simple tools and nothing more explicit about space and i'm going to show thank you very much for being with us and just to remind that my guest today was gary barlow one of the most titled russian animated cartoon makers and that's it for now from all of us here if you don't have your sales spotlight or have someone who lied to think i shouldn't tell you next i'm

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