hello again a welcome to spotlight. on r.t.r. elder love and today my guest in the studio is it in the box. since she became the director general of unesco cher's been promoting the concept of new human is how successful is she and has the world become more humanistic and that you know when you talk about it the director general of unesco is our guest in the studio today. to read a book is a daughter of a prominent bulgarian communist activist and your daughter after graduating from the moscow state university of florida relations just started her political career in the bulgarian foreign ministry when the socialist bloc to sold in bulgaria launched democratic reforms irina temporarily withdrew from bulgarian politics nine

hundred ninety five as the deputy foreign minister a year later the rena was appointed the foreign minister but was forced to resign with the rest of the cabinet a few months later. irina actively promotes european values in bulgaria while the european political chorus you created she is currently a year in jail for your time as director general of unesco. hello and welcome to the show thank you very much for being with thank you for inviting me first welcome to moscow welcome to russia today and i want to ask you about this world conference on early childhood care and education that there that's held in moscow well. why the attention to this problem and why as a conference of moscow well this is our first such conference on early childhood care. in education because we. consider as the leader of the second

millennium development goal which is education for all we do can see the better early childhood care in education have an extremely important role in the life of every human being afterwards as the recent scientific research also shows for one dollar invested in preschool education in child care it means that we can save eight dollars for the run during the education process and i am happy that we have this conference here in moscow moscow has offered it so hospitality and the russian government of course and we could also share experience we kept discussions also among sixty eight ministers of education from all over the world and also with the delegations of more than one hundred twenty countries i would say

that this is a conference which is the last of a whole series of important conferences on education that unesco has organized in the last two years. you know probably to all to well that education is so one of our priorities it's within our mandate we are the only united nations agency which looks at age occasion from a holistic point of view we follow education starting from the preschool being the primary school the secondary high education also so we can see that this is an important. finalising of the whole process of thinking what is education what does it occasionally present in in our days world how we respond to the challenges we talk about bali cage occasion we talk also about a technical implication of training we talk about the values so with. in education

we talk about education for human rights for sustainable development so it's really an extremely important moment in the life of our organization the russians like to say the preschool education system is exemplary is a true bible you know school standards and what makes it unique it is i discussed yesterday with the minister for saying the challenges also which definitely are in in all of the countries in the world for both developed and developing countries and and i have to commend the russia that russia pays for a lot of attention on the priest calling although as the minister himself has said still a lot needs to be done of course our message is taking the examples of for different countries where they have good systems. on one hand to make

the advocacy for preschool link and the other hand also to have a link between prescreening and primary school i think this is also very important you know well. there's so talk about the higher higher education there is a widespread perception in russia that these days the quality of highly highly cation is decreasing dramatically well at least in russia but also in other countries what does you know school have to say on those in this respect you know i just come from the second congress unesco chair. within the russian federation we do have here fifty eight to misquote chairs. from all different regions you know are really a vast country and we did discuss also the question of the quality of education i would say that it's it's a challenge. in many can't. the dynamism of the

contemporary development in the world the requirements of a quick technological innovation the end of a quick adaptation also and the quick i would say the very closely in between economic activity and higher education between the social agenda and the economic agenda of different countries is very demanding so i understand perfectly well that there is always a need for a higher quality of education i discussed this issue with the such a prominent the russian academician intellectual i would say. could emission the city get copied so we discussed exactly the question of for the quality of education and i and those who believe here is decreasing well a high do they see what is the person as an absolute the only i think no i think he's it's not the method of optimism or of pessimism i think it's a matter of for how certain system and how certain the i would say way of

intellectual thinking inscribes within the overall world thinking because i do believe that nowadays not not countries isolated nobody's isolated in this world and especially in the condemning terence and especially in scientific terms and i was quite ahead be told to hear such a prominent thinker a member of their own club also believe expressing once again the believe there to night school could lead to these international search for for high quality and also promote closer cooperation among scientists among different circles because all the the challenges are common in the responses also should be common well does the bowl one year process guarantee the quality of education because in russia it's a matter of great controversy especially if for example the the unified stay.

examination it's a it's a it's a subject of very heated discussions and the president does what are the advantages of the bologna process from your point of view but i think that to belong to sets criteria will belong to sets of standards. of all anya also the fact that so many academic institutions follow this process and also that many also of the russian or high schools. economic institution also followed this but this creates the possibility of a a closer cooperation and some kind of a common common the descending and common sense i think this is important i wouldn't pass judgments and say this is the perfect one i don't believe that there is a perfect when but but still it's high setting high standards and following this and that i think it's an important stage. in this process of international cooperation

really like to know those so the standard but since most of the russians are saying that once we join the blah new process the quality of russian education is becoming low does that mean that the russian style ludes were higher than the bar just that it had a lot of good it's going down i it's difficult. to pass judgement i know that you were educated in this country and you yourself were educated russian yes so yes and i can say that the institute where i studied the moscow state he said to the international relations. said it had been extremely high quality of education. very qualified their professors i would say a world class high class quality of education and why recollection of what i mostly valued was that they were provoking encourage and. and then

he says in thinking which was not very easy times but i do believe that if if we look at from this from this point of view i think that. in russian universities. standards are high but i would not like to pass judgment whether it's laura a i think it's a. it's a it's a very good them bishan to have a high quality of education in the wording but i do believe also that. nobody's isolated there should be a common approach and they should because a corporation and i would say your personal i mean your personal opinion since you have personal judgments on the bill are you process what's more important to teach the kids students school students high school students to think to analyze or to do to make them fit into certain standards to go further in life to high school high school university graduate then i think of this. contradicted each as there

because i mean you can go from from a stage turn out there and at the same time you can think it's a matter of how your what your approach is and where you are or what method where where you put your priority in doing this. i don't believe that they contradict each other so is it in the book of a director general of you know skull spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with us don't know. the truth but so much really making a lot of people if you're a liberal if you read recently the rights opinions more than venezuelan president people child abuse denounced by critics as a dictator what does the future. imagine your life to exude.

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with. the zone. and. welcome back the spotlight on melbourne often just a reminder that my guest here in the studio is it in the book about director general of unesco it is just before the break you said an interesting thing that that you think that speaking of education we can do both in harmony you can't we can teach children young people to think. to analyze and at the same time make them fit into certain standards to be ready to live in a modern technological society but as far as i understand these things do contradict each other because like like in the army you have to fit in the standard this is the name of the game. the less you think the better your career goes in the

army but on the other hand in it in science mr perelman doesn't fit any standard set all but he is a great thinker so so you still believe that these things can can be horrible arist well you're very convincing the way you express it but i really do believe that when we talk about quality education especially in there in higher education there should be really some stand there it's the way you reach this tender attend of course you may overpass this tendency you may. think out of the box you may be very creative of course or even on very many examples we know that they can see that some point even to be almost mentally retarded because he didn't excel in schools we have such such cases but but my in my point is that if we want to really have a competitive to give the possibility of

a very many students from from all over the world i would say and from from different countries in different institutes. to be competitive. we still have to follow some kind of a a common part otherwise we won't have a specific rate teria for evaluating them but in any case i still believe all by your very convincing i commend senator i still believe that thinking and the ising of trying to find your own way can be encouraged also in high school or should be encouraged ok. you know sco is one of the main u.n. organizations and all you and organizations are pursuing the so-called millon human development goals used to states that i quote if we want to make development sustainable we have to invest in education in which part of the world do you think the situation. education is the most deplorable you know the millennium

development goals i believe were the most ambitious and the same at the same time the most humane the gender that the united nations and the international community have set up in the recent in the recent decades and that's why i would say there is so much even patient around the implementation of these goals i was just here in new york a week ago i participated in the debate summit of the united nations and of course mostly engaged with the education because this is our priority and in we are the leaders there. our assessment is that. the there is certain progress in any case there is a lot of firm movement forward there is a lot of progress in the primary education in the roman t. in the very many parts of the world. in countries where for example. taxes for primary education were abolished we have first seen in rome and doubled

in countries such as tanzania been in senegal in many countries but also we see that in many countries it will be impossible to reach the millennium development goals in general and in concrete in education and there are probably some twenty countries in sub-saharan africa which confront enormous difficulties and we believe that we have to focus and help them but let me make another point talking about education i do believe that all of course the eight million development goals are closely interlinked poverty eradication of poverty or gender equality or containment such as ha ve in aids. in education of course closely interlinked but still i believe that education and allies. the

implementation of all the other millennium development goals the secretary general mr ban ki moon said a new priority in the rightfully so i would say concerning maternal health and child mortality where progress has been probably the least. analyzed and good preached. and now by discuss that also with the world health organization with director general mr manley says margaret chank and with unicef a coordinator and with mr banking on himself last week i do believe that. without education whatever investment we make in maternal health and child mortality to take just one example which is so much important we won't reach results on a sustainable basis we may reach some results on the on the concrete basie's on a temporary basis we may do things but if we want to really to have something on

a sustainable basis i think that education is so much important than all the recent developments schol that if a mother is said to k. to primary education the all the data about mortality and child care in everything improve dramatically in if a woman a mother receives secondary education then this improves in times so once again my advocacy is that education so be should be the priority of the priorities when we talk about the implementation of the millennium development goals i also understand that there is a problem in europe too for example let's see let's take the problem with gypsy children which is a pretty popular subject these days. as far as i understand there are a lot of efforts made to improve the situation with education. less than fifty

percent of gypsy children complete even primary education if this is if this is really the case is there a program to do this problem it is a problem and countries where their own population or the. majority of their own population is. maybe least in europe but not only in eastern europe also in some other countries syrian countries recognize this this problem they have for asked us also for some assistance and some advice and we are working with the council of europe on that matter we will participate tenth of october also in a meeting with the council of europe on the education of for the roma children and we are putting also our first such program in order to especially in the area of education because there are other problems a lot of problems but education he says basic in order to solve also all the rest then by the way this is

a an excellent thing sample also for the developing countries that without education they cannot tackle the problems of poverty or for exclusion which is important so yes we will be involved and we will try to contribute to the finding of the proper responses for this problem well more of this now from spotlights you learn that the media. in the august fronts explode about two thousand drew back to their home countries over many and. they returned mostly to poverty a little chance of implement the decision by the french president was controversial and like to protest across europe it brought the room issue to the international school night an estimated ten million members of the roman community in europe like access to health care education employment and housing put in to a unesco we would half of the room with children filled. to complete prime rib you

cation extra costs of schooling three huge problem for many families sometimes do not have one close and prefer to have thank you home and called together to sample carrier which is home to one of the largest room communities in europe twenty percent through children never go to school. in many countries such kids will have sent to school and up in classes specially created for children with mental disability said we gave only contributes to the exclusion of the room and the unesco report true sponsibility on governments in calls on them to think of fiscal social and employment which would lead to the children get in a fresh start in life. since you since you became director general of you know school you have been promoting the concept of new humanism. what is it do you want to say that the contemporary world is

losing its humanistic values the world. well. modestly i would say that. all that is within your nest unesco's agenda. is very close living. i would say to or to talk among values. took human rights to the dignity of. for human beings it sits inscribed in our constitution that. we should throw education culture science and communication which should be of peace in the minds of people in the sugar for the human dignity and and i believe that probably. this believe that we have to reconsider unesco's a trend which is still extremely valid and not also our agenda but the overall approach of the united nations and international community. to solving their

problems i call the kind of when you knew him when ism and for me for example new communism definitely is the millennium development goals agenda which is one of the most humanistic agenda that the international community has said said to her after the establishment creation of the united nations for me a new human needs them is the way we look to climate change. the protection of our environment i would say that also new who needs them is the quest also in the vision to preserve for biodiversity we do need to have a different look for new for me also when you combine these in these the protection of cultural diversity in the promotion of cultural diversity of protection of languages languages who are in danger in danger of promoting mother tongues education promoting also with the new i would say conviction and

new stronger political will gender equality i believe all these seas i knew very humanistic agenda and as long as i am now director general for this great organization i would call unesco i believe that we could contribute more to this new search of for humanistic various and how we implement the matter i believe that the economic or social crises send the environmental crisis also to some extent also accelerates and should make us more convinced that we have to bear once and make societies more in course if and more coherent thank you thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that my guest today was makata director general of unesco and that's it for there from all of us here who are you say on spotlight or have someone in mind who you think crashed into next time just drop. me alive will be back with well

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