on r.t.r. logar love and today my guest in the studio is it in the box. since she became the director general of unesco share has been promoting the concept of new human is how successful is she and has the world become more humanistic and that you know when you talk about it the director general of us is our guest in the studio today. read a book is a daughter of a prominent bulgarian communist activist your daughter after graduating from the moscow state university of florida relations just started her political career in the bulgarian foreign ministry when the socialist bloc to sold in bulgaria launched democratic reforms here in temporarily withdrew from bulgarian politics returning nine hundred ninety five as the deputy foreign minister a year later rena was appointed the foreign minister but was forced to resign with the rest of the cabinet a few months later. irina actively promotes european values in bulgaria while the

european political forum she created she is currently a year in general for your time as director general of unesco. hello and welcome to the show thank you very much for being with thank you for inviting me first welcome to moscow welcome to russia today and i want to ask you about this world conference on early childhood care and education that there that's how the moscow well why the attention to this problem and why is a conference out of moscow well this is our first such conference on early childhood care and education because we. consider as the leader of the second millennium development goal which is education for all and we do consider that early childhood care and education have an extremely. important role in the

life of every human being afterwards as the recent scientific research also shows for one dollar invested in preschool education in child care it means that we can save a eight dollars for the run during the education process and i am happy that we have this conference here in moscow moscow has offered it so hospitality and the russian government of course and we could also share experience we kept discussions also among sixty eight ministers of education from all over the world and also with the delegations of more than one hundred twenty countries i would say that this is a conference which is the last of a whole series of important conferences on education that unesco has organized in the last two years. you know probably to all to well that education is so one of

our priorities it's within our mandate we are the only united nations agency which works at age occasion from a holistic point of view we follow education starting from the preschool being the primary school the secondary high education also. we can see that this is an important. finalizing of the whole process of thinking what is education what does it occasionally represent in in our base world how we respond to the challenges we talk about quality education we talk also about a technical implication of training we talk about the values so within age occasion we talk about education for human rights for sustainable development so it's really an extremely important moment in the life of our organisation russians like to say you. the preschool education system is exemplary is

a true by you know school standards and what makes it unique if it is i discussed yesterday with the minister for saying the challenges also which definitely are in in all of the countries say in the world about developed in developing countries and and i have to commend russia that russia pays a lot of attention on the priest calling although as the minister himself has said still a lot needs to be done of course our message is taking the examples of for different countries where they have good systems. on one hand to make the advocacy for peace corps link and on the other hand also to have a link between prescreening and primary school i think this is also very important you know well. there's so talk about the higher higher education there is

a widespread perception in russia that these days the quality of highly highly occasion is decreasing dramatically well at least in russia but also in other countries what those you know school have to say on those disrespect you know i just come from the second congress so unesco chair. within the russian federation we do have here fifty eight to misquote chairs. from all different regions you know are really a vast country and we did discuss also the question of the quality of education i would say that it's it's a challenge. in many countries. the dynamism of the contemporary development in the world the requirements of a quick technological innovation and a quick adaptation also and a quick i would say the very. closely in between economic activity and higher

education between the social agenda and the economic agenda of different countries is very demanding so i understand perfectly well that there is always a need for a higher quality of education i discussed this issue with the such a prominent the russian academician intellectual i would say. that emission the sergei kopete so we discussed exactly the question of for the quality of education and i and those who believe he is decreasing well how do they see what is the person is an absolute delhi i think no i think he's it's not the method of optimism or of pessimism i think it's a matter of for how certain system and how certain i would say way of intellectual thinking inscribes within the overall world thinking because i do believe that nowadays not no country is isolated nobody is isolated in this world and especially

in a condemning terence and especially in scientific terms and i was quite ahead be told to hear such a prominent thinker a member of their own club also believe expressing once again the believe there too in a school could lead to these international search for for high quality and also promote closer cooperation among the scientists among different circles because all the the challenges are common in the responses also should be common well does the ball one year process guarantee the quality of education because in russia it's a matter of great controversy especially if for example the the unified state examination it's a it's a it's a subject of very heated discussions in the press in the society what are the advantages of the bologna process from your point of view i think that to belong to sets. create hearable blunder sets of standards. of all on your also the fact

that so many academic institutions follow this process and also that may not serve the russian well high schools. economic institution also fold this but this creates the possibility of a closer cooperation in some kind of a common common the descending and common sense i think this is important i wouldn't pass judgments and say this is the perfect one i don't believe that there is a perfect when but but still it's setting high standards and following this and that i think it's an important stage. in this process of international cooperation a little a little does so the standard but since most of the russians are saying that once we join the blah new process the quality of russian education is becoming low does that mean that the russian style ludes were higher than the bar just that

a lot of the food it's going down. is difficult. to pass judgments i know that he wanted to get in this country and you yourself were educated russian yes so yes and i can say that the institute where i studied the moscow state he said to the international relations. said it had been extremely high quality of education. very qualified professors i would say a world class high class quality of education and why recollection of what i mostly valued was that they were provoking and encouraging analysis in thinking which was not very easy times but i do believe that if if we look at from this from this point of view i think that. in russian universities.

standards are high but i would not like to pass judgment whether it's laura a i think it's a. it's a it's a very good them bishan to have a high quality of education in the learning and but i do believe also that. nobody's isolated there should be a common approach and they should because a corporation and i would say your personal i mean your personal opinion since you have personal judgments on the longer process what's more important to teach kids students school students high school students to think to analyze what to do to make them fit into certain standards to go further in life to high school high school and university post-graduate then i think all of this done contradicted each as there because i mean you can go from from a stage turns out there and at the same time you can think it's a method of how your approach is and where you are or what

method where where you put a priority in doing this. i don't believe that they contradict each other so is it in the ball cover director general of you know ask our spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with us don't know. wealthy british science. but i do like.

the. markets weiner scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy because the reports on our t.v. . welcome back to spotlight i love and just a reminder that my guest here in the studio is it in the book about director general of unesco it is just before the break you said interesting thing that that you think that speaking of education we can do both in harmony you can't we can teach children young people to think. to analyze and at the same time make them fit into certain standards to be ready to live in a modern technological society but as far as i understand these things do

contradict each other because we're like in the army you have to fit into standard this is the name of the game the less you think the better your career goes in the army but on the other hand in it in science mr perelman doesn't fit any standards at all but he is a great thinker so so you still believe that these things can be harmonized well you're very convincing the way you express it but i really do believe that when we talk about quality education especially. in higher education there should be really some stand there it's the way you reach this ten percent of course you may of a past this time that you may i think out of the box you may be very creative of course free and on the very many examples we know that i can see that some point even to be almost mentally retarded. because he didn't excel in schools we have such such

cases but but my in my my point is that if we want to really have a competitive to give the possibility of very many students from from all over the world i would say and from from different countries in different institutes. to be competitive. we still have to follow some kind of a a common part otherwise we won't have a specific rate teria for evaluating them but in any case i still believe all by your very convincing i have them in the center i still believe that thinking and the rising trying to find your own way can be encouraged also in high school or should be encouraged ok. you know sco is one of the main u.n. organizations and they are all human organizations are pursuing the so-called millon human development goals eunice who states that i quote if we want to make

development sustainable we have to invest in education in which part of the world do you think the situation the situation with education is the most deplorable you know the millennium development goals i believe were the most ambitious and the same at the same time the most humane the gender that the united nations and the international community have set up in the recent in the recent decades and that's why i would say there is so much even patient around the implementation of these goals i was just here in new york a week ago i participated in the debate summit of the united nations and of course mostly engaged with the education because this is our priority tendin we are the leaders there. our assessment is that. the there is certain progress in any case there is a lot of firm movement forward. there is

a lot of progress in the primary education in the roman t. in the very many parts of the world. in countries where for example. taxes for primary education were abolished we have seen in rome and doubled in countries such as tanzania been in senegal in many countries but also we see that in many countries it will be impossible to reach the millennium development goals in general and concretely in education and there are probably some twenty countries in sub-saharan africa which confront us difficulties and we believe that we have to focus and help them but let me make another point talking about education i do believe that all of course the eight million development goals are closely interlinked poverty eradication of poverty or gender equality or pandemic such as ha ve in aids. in education of course

closely interlinked but still i believe that education underlies the implementation of all the other million and development goals the secretary general mr bank human said a new priority in the rightfully so i would say concerning maternal health and child mortality where progress has been probably the least. analyzed and good preached. and now by discuss that also with the world health organization with the director general mr manley says margaret chan and with unicef a coordinator and with mr banking on himself last week i do believe that. without education whatever investment we make in maternal health and child mortality to take just one example which is so much import them we won't reach.

results on a sustainable basis we may reach some results on the on the concrete basie's on a temporary basis we may do things but if we want to really to have something on a sustainable basis i think that education is so much important than all the recent developments schol that if a mother is said to katie primary education. all the data about mortality and child care in everything improve dramatically in if a woman a mother receives secondary education then this improves in times so once again my advocacy is that education so be it should be the priority of the priorities when we talk about the implementation of the millennium development goals i also understand that there is a problem in europe too for example let's say let's take the problem with gypsy children which is

a pretty popular subject these days. as far as i understand there are a lot of efforts made to improve the situation with education but less than fifty percent of gypsy children complete even primary education if this is if this is really the case is there a program to do this problem it is a problem and countries where there are population the. majority of the wrong population is. many lists in europe but not only in eastern europe also in some other countries syrian countries recognize this this problem they have for asked us also for some assistance and some advice and we are working with the council of europe on that matter we will participate end of october also in a meeting with the council of europe on the education of for the roma children and we are putting also our first program such. you know other talk especially in the

area of education because there are other problems lot of problems but education is his basic in other to solve all the rest that by the way this is a an excellent thing sample also for the developing countries that without education they cannot have the problems of poverty have for exclusion which is in part and so yes we will be involved. we will try to contribute to the finding of the proper responses for this problem well more of this now from spotlights. in the august fronts explode about two thousand room of back to their home countries over mannion and the area they returned mostly to poverty a chance of employment the decision by the french president was controversial and led to protests across europe it brought the so-called room issue to the international spotlight an estimated ten million members of the roma community in

europe like access to healthcare education employment and housing according to a unesco report half of the room with children failed to complete prime rib you cation extra costs of schooling are a huge problem for many families sometimes do not have warm clothes and prefer to have thank you home in cold weather for example in bulgaria which is home to one of the largest roma communities in europe twenty percent the crewmen children never go to school. in many countries such kids even if sent to school and up in classes specially created for children with mental disability assent we gave only contributes to the exclusion of the roma the unesco report the true sponsibility on governments and calls on them to think of fiscal social and employment pulis's which would lead to the children get in a fair start in life. since you since you

became director general of you know school you have been promoting the concept of new humanism what is it do you do do you want to so you go there that the contemporary world is losing its humanistic values or work. well. modestly i would say that. all that is within your nesquik unesco's agenda. is very closely linked. i would say to to to human values. took human rights to the dignity of. for human beings it sits inscribed in our constitution that. we should throw all education culture science and communication we should build peace in the minds of people in the sugar for the human dignity end and i believe that probably. this believe that we have to concede there unesco's agenda which is still extremely valid to an

assault not also our agenda but the overall approach of the united nations and international community to solving their problems i call the kind of when you knew him when ism and for me for example new communism definitely is the millennium development goals agenda which is one of the most humanistic agenda that the international community has said said tapper after the it's the establishment creation of the united nations for me and you can win easily is the way we looked at the climate change. the protection of our environment i would say that also new when he's in me is the quest also in the bishan to preserve for biodiversity we do need to have a a different look from you poor me also when you can win these them is the protection of cultural diversity and the promotion of cultural diversity of protection of languages. languages who are in danger in danger of promoting mother

tongue education promoting also with their new i would say conviction and a new stronger political will gender equality i believe all these. new very clear when you stick agenda and as long as i am now director general for this great organization i would call your next call i believe that we could contribute more to this new search of for humanistic varus and how we implemented them i believe that the economic and social crisis and the environmental crisis also to some extent also accelerates and should make us more convinced that we have to bear once and make society smaller in course if and more coherent thank you thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that my guest today was in the back of the director general of unicef

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