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three thirty pm here in moscow you all with you had lunch now security forces are sweeping the streets for any unrest in ahead of tomorrow's crucial parliamentary vote for the first time in central asia it will take power away from the president . as finance leaders come together brainstorm recovery many say the world economy is breaking away from the u.s. there are also fears some countries could use their currencies as economic weapons
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in the midst of recession. and two teams of russian scientists have meant in the north pole to breakthrough discoveries they've been seeking and buttons of countries claim to the arctic so. next we talk to a russian a nobel prize winner in physics whose discovery promises a revolution in nanotechnology engineering that's next right here on. this place makes sam i managed to yes. but another is it sparkles and unexplainable interest. in a place where supernatural things are happening. on
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. probably one of. those. on our. hello again they're welcome to spotlight they interview siobhan artsy i've not been today my guest is going to spend soon not myself six years ago two russian scientists in manchester discovered a revolutionary material called graphene last week they were awarded a nobel prize in physics for what is likely to revolutionize nine attack engineering today game and love us all of our packing their bags for stuff to collect their million pounds from the missile of is joining us via satellite link
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from england. born in russia sent in the us all of his father was an engineer while his mother was a teacher after graduating with honors from the moscow physical technical university constantin started work at a scientific research center in the in moscow two years later he moved to the netherlands way he met another russian scientist on drug game and whose guidance be continues to work the do physicists later moved to the university of manchester and . ok to continue their research six years ago no less often game discovered graffiti for which they were awarded your physics prize there to receive the world's most prestigious scientific word the nobel prize for producing graphene which can rival silicon as a basis of computer chips so perhaps there's sense in letting silicon valley stay american but making griffin valley more russian creation at skolkovo. close to the sale of welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us.
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first of all have you already got yourself a talk see the oh maybe you got one. too much too many of our problems. i would i would appreciate any advice ok. well the russian government as far as you know i'm sure is attempting to create a sort of a silicon valley here outside moscow well do you think it's maybe a better idea now to to to create a new graphene value rather than a silicon valley. the former regime is of called me a priority of the silicon valley would be it would require you to do you know you have published a paper describing. describing your your your invention your work well five years
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ago right so. far five years what have you been doing since where where are you now with your research is this another good scene or is something else. that was that was only the beginning what we showed in that paper is that we can produce this the material apparently. this material got so many fantastic properties that we were still stuck there in for those six years i guess we're going to start it or people you go into started from for the next ten twenty or you or you or more years or so so you still are working on a growth scene and the same on the serious subject yet so so you know moving you know. if i learn from the subject on one fortunately norther and the main problem is that i guess the most interesting experiment is still had a farce and of course this prize really. brings us
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a little bit behind on this in this rush so to get to those very nice experiments can you tell us what is this most that made experiment and frankly speaking for every single research. might be there their own type of experiments because this this material or has a number of very different but very even the same properties the mechanical properties the optical properties the. electronic properties for me is the combination between mechanical and electronic properties which are the most interesting constantin you easier said than a minute ago that you were in this in this paper of yours for which you got the nobel prize you said that you said i quote we can produce good feeling but as far as i know you are not producing anything or you are interested in production or you just interested in research. well we do research on this
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material bugs you know the tools start our experiments we need to produce those samples first so of course the sample production the production of all this material is quite a port and. very often the most important parts or for our research you said that you have to produce enough material for your research but one of your colleagues in the united kingdom i quote said in this age of complexity with the machines like the super collider these guys managed to get the nobel prize using just sellotape so. is it true did you really that's. yeah that's that's absolutely true and furthermore i guess a cheaper sounds good eighty percent of researchers across the world who do graffiti and it's actually it's a it's a huge subject you know they but they still use this solitary methods of issue
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introduce which we introduced in two thousand and four and you also still use sellotape in europe. in most cases yes and like it in greek. you have a year year do you have enough sellotape now or you still i was eilat are you still have to do to pick there to pick it out out of garbage beds room got an exclusive supply from a few companies ok now. why are you called garbage scientists you know this label garbage scientists is it is it really because beer because you you pulled your first samples are the garbage bin or what is it. yes probably and i totally don't don't don't come although nobody tells us brave enough to say to me
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two twenty phrases. totally totally foreign was being called like this it's an interesting story we were gods it is indeed rooted our colleague electioneer he who was working with us at the time. during experiments on the way how he clean graphite in the throw in this cellar table with pieces of is a sort of graphite into the bin and basically what we've done we've picked a top and. made our first samples from from those that so so you don't regard this next day mad as being insulting to hear now it absolutely no i don't i don't care how people call and ok you know can you tell us when did you realize that what you were doing is really a revolution in physics did you ever realizing it. well. you see we are quite lucky you know. we can't afford to
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work result thinking about producing area lucian physics we can't afford to work just because we were really really like it and already the very first experiments are true we were three of them it was was those samples made from those first tapes we realize that we have something extremely interesting and you know how. it took us to probably easier or you win more to get the fields graph and samples bods the interesting physics we can see in the very in the first experiments ok how many people except you and gave contributed to this graphene research because as far as i know usually one or two people get the nobel prize but actually it's a it's a company of like dozens of people is it the case with you. oh yes yes i will that it was a pool of great researchers of fantastic people who were doing those first experiments
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you see i don't think that. the prize is due in just on the merits of the one experiment so rouer doing very interesting physics over the over the whole all over the years. in that we we actually i especially want to think should be more of you know your who've been working with us for for quite a long time and. also have a great pull off from tustin pigeon students and poles dogs who from all over the world with us but this science is now. this is this this area so vast now that we rely you know experiments not on the on the on our results we do rely on the results of all the community and it is you know it consists of
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probably hundreds of labs across the world so are you going to split the million quid you hey going to get it yet is that. well it's million dollars lee i i'm sort of so busy at the moment i didn't know or thought ports. of thought about this and really come hard here ok you're your teacher and now your colleague andrew again said i quote that graphene has all the potential to change our life the same way plastics did in the twentieth century so do you think that the twenty first century will be there the the age of growth feed the age of game and know myself. oh yeah absolutely graffiti changed our lives come completely dramatically so we've had fantastic time over the last years and we arrive to this small one which is which is quite good as well but
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seriously i think it. it does have a great world potential we still don't realize. how large is this potential i don't want to speculate about a place in silicon or griffin there are far too small can complicated questions that. the as a said already there are quite a few properties of this material which are unique the mechanical up to code electronic and it will find its applications. because that's you know we're still go for the nobel prize winner in physics this year spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with us don't go. players. play.
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the flute. lead. among showbiz the stems of payment values of insult trade incentives presentation high production cars fast cleats graphics abuse and all of this is a way to sort of focus people's attention by using techniques that are associated with it seems now during this war we had millions of military entertainment. leg lifts.
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if the russians would be soon which brightened if you knew about the sun from phones to christianize. for instance on t.v. don't come. to play play. play . welcome back to spotlight i am al going of in just a reminder that my guest today via satellite link from from manchester is constantin number still of the man who was awarded nobel prize in physics this year . consensus well i know that you both you. and regain the colleagues you have just mentioned telling us about ever. most of them are russians and i know that you even work at the so-called russian floor at
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the inverse of manchester although about stories now that by russians so you are a british citizen game is a dutch citizen but do consider yourself still to do to be russian or or british or i don't know european a what do you think oh. i definitely consider myself russian . i'm british as well. of a lot to russian education too. and that sounds absolutely. but you chose to go to continue your work in england because what because the university you're in now gives you more research possibilities what else what if you compare well you already said in a couple of interviews that that the russian system of training in physics is the best in the world but after you trained compare russian and european british what
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are the differences. first of all let me let me tell you that it is absolutely normal practice that scientists grow from one lab to another to learn different techniques and obtain different skills i can tell you that if you got ph d. in holland for instance he was be able to continue as a polls log because you would have to while or you would have to go away from the country ok there are some some some some researchers of course applied. was the to the major difference or probably one of the one of the good things for me about . western system of science is its openness and so so easy to move from one university to to another and definitely help in transfer in
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the knowledge of the skills and the dick knowledge are and it's it's it's one of the key issues in a more them science well president medvedev when he was speaking well a couple of days ago i think it was the national teacher's day was he was presenting awards to the best teachers in russia he he said a couple of words about you you and the game and he said well it's a pity that those russian guys actually got their prize working abroad and he said i would like to see more and more russian scientists working in russia getting the same possibilities the same funny advantages and well do you feel the do you share the same concern with our president. i would say that's did you should you should do it more broadly i should say that. in the in wired's back to russia not only russian scientists but we should in the wide the best scientists. back to
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russia and that that includes russian british american who else science is very different mission is international and you always got a war always want to get the best result and the best results are produced by the best people and you cannot rely on one nationality only in this in this process you have to you master the bastion for us well the really mentioned results of brain drain from russia is that russian scientists are increasingly uncritically sighted in world scientific press and in world scientific publications but since all these scientists are now abroad most of them are abroad does it mean that the younger generation of russian scientists would may not be as successful as you are
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. two points just toward moore's old russian side his broad there are huge number of from past in from the good scientists who work in the russia that's i totally disagree with you on this point and second as i said already exchange of scientists is not about things that's absolute can or practice brain drain is nor is not of both in the berthing is the is no a real us promises that scientists are coming back to russia and shoot him a sure russia fantastic school of science we should share it with the war but to also have to get something back from the war and we need to unwind best the best people and i don't think that nationality makes a big issue here constantin the russian government the kremlin has been pretty much obsessed by nana technologies over the last couple of years and many people
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a journalist have been pretty sort of casting at their about this obsession with nana to tell gee do you think that investing into nanotechnology is really the right thing to do for the russian government today. well i guess as you probably misread all this all this initiative. you always need a big flag and i call the the main idea behind this is it is to invest to technology in general and it's the correct things it will be absolutely wrong of course to invest into knowledge and knowledge and forget completely about micro technology and forgets about attitude technology and concentrate only about on this time minus nine profits. so what if you invest in college as long as it was with some sounds is a perfectly good idea
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e you said that you didn't even know the for the ten minutes ago the amount of the money you'll get within a prize that that means that you are not at all interested in money and in business that you are you are not at all you and your colleagues are not at all interested in the commercial they use of graphene of putting it into is into well real life into gadgets and whatever. well look what. you cannot tell it's also from my colleagues who have students who own companies richer we reach produce griffin who have nothing to do is that they those companies do do exist so some of my good friends and colleagues they do have some interest in in business. where interested in having a good time in the lab. if it involves creation new type of
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devices from from graffiti we would do it so we are since we produced a prototype of liquid crystal display made of woman we had over heard of graphene bought you are absolutely right it will be very extremely very boring for me to sit for here and try and sue. to make this this device work slightly better that will be toward for me but that's an important part of or of jobs and you mentioned spending time having good simon the lab which she said is that it is always about you really think for her for in life tell us about it what is having a good time with your friends and the lab what do you do what do you mean by having a good time in the lab. ok don't take your honor. like picking up squash table and making make in first samples of graphene that's
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fantastic time. making some new type of devices there's a composite of four for me the best one is a device which you can produce. in the day you just got an idea where you will produce a device and you measure it in the room that's the best one. and. any interest in arguments any unusual having a good time for us constantin this graphene as far as i understand it is a unique unique two d. material a material with unique qualities is it really unique is it one of the kind or there may be other materials with similar or even better qualities yet to come yet to be invented. oh yes absolutely that's and i'm a little bit concerned about this but we are so so much concentration on griffin i
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really would like to to look a little bit broader now but even the grafin by itself already that he gives us so much fun that it's hard to. go somewhere else but i'm sure and probably we would suspect how to do it there are other materials there reads worse similar interests and problems as well russian kids have have lots of sellotape and we call scotch one of the well whatever so we're where do we have to look for these new materials you said it may be other than graffiti where it what it is what does the bins do we have to look for it while we can you can think about combinations of graphene and some signals and that will produce your new material and like just put into will gather on three or three rough units who gather and the it will be a new material or together so there are so
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instead of using sellotaped to split grafin you just put put it back or you just use some none the glue if you want to glue it back together so that's just one not just i just cordon you ideas well last question i have read in the press that the military are already getting increasingly interested in your invention have you heard anything about that do you think that can that get. this interest from from the side of the military can spoil your life make your life aagot. well we were gods i know if you guys from from the office of air force us and from no research there there were nice guys and we do have funding from from them your goal for a conference you you see a top talk from from even told they did the show you a performance of high frequency to the ministers and half of the screen is bland
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because the say that it is its information so yes there is some. drive from. as well i hate for that is this. classified by. the recent. research which is which is doing more than mostly by nearly three in the it's because thank you never still of a russian russian scientist in manchester a nobel prize winner that will need some help getting these coming couple days it buying it to see though we don't sound so please give an answer because that you thank you very much for being with us and just to remind us that confronting the myself was our guest today and we'll be back with more first on comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and party and take care.
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