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look into this new ban and revisit other cases of american moralists being obsessed with american sex lives and in this case just a little bit of innocent dancing and we'll look into the former colombian army officer who's been sentenced to forty four years in prison for his role in the bloody trujillo massacres he's charged with killing over two hundred civilians many with a chainsaw and he's also a proud graduate of the notorious school of america so i have more on how the united states helped train one of colombia's most brutal officers and is there really room for a third party candidate while there was a media circus surrounding the gubernatorial debate in california last night the green party candidate who showed up was arrested because she was in fact a candidate so can the troubled state ever be able to overcome their financial and their political woes when the two party system has such a firm grip on the entire process we spoke to green party candidate laura wells herself and also will look at the homelessness rates in the big apple it's one of
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the wealthiest cities in the world it's home to wall street bankers business and media executives but it's also home for thousands of homeless people and the numbers continue to rights archies unless i see it yet again that will join us with those statistics at the end of the show but now let's move on today's top story. the debate over america's education system has finally been reignited thanks to the obama administration educational pioneers who aren't afraid to take on the establishment people like michelle rhee and geoffrey canada and thanks to a number of documentaries showing how students chances for success are often left up to luck in a lottery but now comes a new element to the puzzle not just the way students are taught but also how they're being treated according to the department of education's office for civil rights they received nearly seven thousand complaints this year that's the largest jump in at least ten years and the problems range from e.s.l. students not receiving the specialized instructions guaranteed to them under
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federal law to african-american boys being suspended at double and triple the rates of their white male peers you could say these disparities have been visible for years so why the sudden uptaking complaints well according to some officials including the former director of the office of civil rights it's because students and parents now have more faith that officials will actually take action because they believe the democrats are focusing on social change rather than strictly disciplinary action like their republican counterparts so is there really hope for change or are we already created a second class of students who have been dealt strict punishments rather than guides much like our prison populations or earlier from our studio in los angeles i caught up with an experiment from the young turks i first asked her if she bought that whole argument that we're now seeing this drastic rise of complaints only because students and parents feel that this time someone might listen. you know i don't buy that argument i think that people have always been willing to listen to
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however when it comes to the mainstream media and when it comes to negativity toward certain communities i feel like it's become more acceptable for some reason for instance you have the tea party that continuously spews their bigoted views. homosexuals on minority groups and i think individual see that in the mainstream media and they listen to it and they get influenced by it and for some reason they think that it's ok to treat minority groups and the gay community in a poor way but it's definitely something that we're seeing a lot more of these days you're right in the mainstream media and even in terms of can of this that are out there running you know during their campaigns but there is something that i feel like there is a deeper issue here too in terms of the disciplinary action that they take against students i mean tell me if you're with me on this one because i feel like this kind of you know if you can make parallels with our prison population as well that we
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just have this knee jerk reaction as a society to to discipline and to punish and to lock up and throw away the key rather than to actually rehabilitate or counsel not only criminals also but these school children. you hit the nail on the head you're absolutely correct about that that's because of the zero tolerance policy that was implemented by the bush administration and under the zero tolerance policy if a student does one thing that's deemed even a little suspicious he or she is suspended without any explanation and you see that happening again and again and again in different school districts across the country and the problem with the zero tolerance policy is it's very much a one size fits all policy and you can't do that you have to use human judgment and you can't use a knee jerk reaction when it comes to disciplining students that's right and i think that in essence what will happen because of that is that you're going to have this second class of students of people the never get the proper education are
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never able to move on that isn't really all about discrimination i mean there's you know a large debate right now in this country about our education system about holding teachers accountable so especially if we look at some of these e.s.l. students who perhaps aren't getting you know the. alternative services that they're guaranteed by federal law and some of that also just because teachers are not doing their jobs that they're lazy and they're letting kids fail. well and i think that there are really two issues there one issue is the discrimination another thing is laziness fight teachers but let's focus on the discrimination for a second you know there were a lot of facts and figures that were released this year that showed how rampant discrimination is throughout our school districts and one example of that would be a new york times article that focused on the number of black kids that get suspended versus the number of white kids now to be specific in the christina
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school district in delaware seventy one percent of their black male students were suspended now compare that with a twenty two percent of white males that were suspended i mean that's a huge huge difference and no one can tell me that discrimination has nothing to do with that another case had to do with a gay student her name is constance mcmillen she made headlines this year she is a student in mississippi who was discriminated against because she's gay and she wanted to bring her girlfriend to her high school prom and the school said no you're not bringing your girlfriend you're not wearing a tuxedo to your prom you are uninvited and you're not allowed to come that's discrimination and for some reason school districts think that this is acceptable but thankfully we have organizations like the a.c.l.u. that are pointing a finger to these school districts and telling them no you can't treat your students that way but do you think that there really is a chance for a change here for
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a change in attitudes when it comes to school districts because one hand we have the discrimination as an issue and at the same time you know we have people like michelle rhee the chancellor of the public schools here in washington d.c. that has been taking on teachers who has taken a lot of flak she was made into a complete anime and now you know the adrian fenty has been voted out she essentially is resigning i mean has anybody that actually comes out points fingers champions the cause really going to make it through this system. i really think so and you know as i mentioned the a.c.l.u. is doing really great job you know suing the school districts that are guilty of the discrimination really bringing attention to this issue and really making sure that things change i really think that our education system can progress to a point where this obvious discrimination is no longer apparent so i do see hope in the future i just think that it's extremely important for you know either teachers to take courses so they know what is deemed discrimination because i think
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a lot of times these teachers will discriminate against students and not even realize it so i think it's important for them to have some sort of curriculum some sort of training so they know what is right and wrong when it comes to disciplining students and you know i think the most important thing is to really get rid of this your zero tolerance policy that is all the asli not working why i'm definitely with you there on the getting rid of the zero tolerance policy i do not think it works and you know i don't think that there's a single teacher that comes to work every single day thinking that they're going to discriminate but there needs to be more said about it there needs to be more education and it really spans the border becomes even a public health issue because now we have an obesity epidemic in this country which results in a lot of children who have diabetes which is also considered a disability and there's a lot more expected of teachers and administrators in terms of you know what problems they're supposed to be equipped to handle and i thank you so much for joining us. thank you for having me. well it's time to take our first break but
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still to come in tonight's show one tech company is attempting to calm parents' fears about sexting so we'll tell you what company it is and how they plan to stop the erotic messaging and an ohio school district has decided that dancing is so bad that they've banned it what is this footloose the two thousand and ten version or get a look at regulating more reality in this country when we come back with nick gillespie of there in chief of reason t. the. it was the same of. a lot of people here you. know media outlets are challenging the dominance of traditional heavyweights and. why
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a review is looking for a turning. well in tech news apple has finally been awarded a patent that they applied for all the way back in two thousand and eight and the patent is called text based communication control for personal communication devices it sounds pretty nefarious if you ask me but what will this new map actually do where you see the plan is for it to put an end to the evils of sexting now the whole idea behind this patent is that it would give parents control over what kind of messages their kids receive on their i pods and on their i phones and the app actually monitors the words used when sending text messages so when a word comes up that doesn't meet the controls approval by the controller i mean the parent or the administrator well that it censors that work or just removes it from the text altogether i think this could get a little confusing check out this attempted text when we put in the anatomical word
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g.'s spots apple gave their own suggestion. so i guess that there's a correlation there but otherwise they're just two completely different words or cannot be substituted for one another hello i can only imagine the confusion will come from this app just picture teenagers getting texas say i want to blank you or you look so blank in that dress i really want to know is what is going to constitute a bad word or a sexually explicit word because if we trust apple to decide that then well we know that two gay men kissing is unacceptable for them we also know that a cartoon ulysses app with a cartoon semi-naked man is always a way too much for them to handle the first major attempt to prevent kids from sexting due to parents' concerns over the past few years about the lack of could. all over what their kids are messaging to each other but you know what in an age where children learn technology twice as fast as adults it's pretty safe to assume
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that those kids are just going to find a way to work around the censorship and i have to say is that i certainly do not trust apple of all people to censor anything and especially not kids text. now why is it that there are so many people out there who hate fight and you want to stop others from having it at all costs you know there are a slew of news stories that come out every single day where we witness the moral crusaders of america inflicting their stale views on everyone else but worst of all perhaps because when that happens to children and today we have got a perfect example after photos appeared on facebook showing suggestive dirty dancing at a high school's recent homecoming dance in ohio well the school district apparently shocked by what they saw decided to just cancel all the dances yet they didn't want to talk to the students teach them about what is supposedly inappropriate what isn't they just straight up said no further dances will be held clearly they are so
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baffled and so overwhelmed by progress that they just don't know how to react to it but the biggest question is of course why these people have so much power why this moral minority is allowed to hold a tennis reign over the lives of americans when joining me to discuss it is nick gillespie editor in chief of reason t.v. nick thanks so much for coming back on the show with thanks for having me i mean dirty dancing really do these people live on another planet have you seen the music videos that are out there do they not listen to the lyrics in the songs that they play at school dances this is if you have a bunch of horny teenagers in a room with music they're going to do is just get over it i don't even think they have to be horny but you know i think that says like comes of being in danger well i was going to say the other thing is that you know what comes with being a teenager in america is going to high school and it's almost as if the you know the principals and the teachers and the guidance counselors on the psychiatric counselors are playing out a role that you know high school has to be miserable and they're just being
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ridiculous about this it's unfortunately the urge specifically to stamp to stamp out dancing is as old as america is in the column to use there were various attempts to keep people from. and so in the massachusetts bay colony people were put to death for dancing at the maypole and this is kind of its latest iteration the two things that are interesting about it to me are one that the ferocity of the attempts to suppress them saying and their utter failure to stamp out dancing as well as fun and you can't get rid of dan i haven't really had a gyration is this in or something but you know we we can joke about this all we want but in a factory let's have a serious side effects here it's ok you know these kids are going to get to have a school dance and that's sad but then we have the story of the girl who wanted to bring her girlfriend to the school writes they told her she couldn't go to her own problem they created a fake they completely do tear i mean that that's cruel and what planet is that ok to do that to teenagers to children you know i think that you know those are there
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are related stories and one of the things about you know kind of bringing same sex couples and schools and whatnot i think they're you know certain way that's a story of progress in the sense that you know five years ago certainly ten years ago or twenty years ago that was an even on the you know it wasn't even a possibility much it wasn't even imagined muscle much less a possibility and now you're starting to see more and more acceptance of that so i think on you know in certain ways schools are coming around to new realities to accepting new realities such as kind of openly you don't openly gay couples or interracial couples thirty years ago forty years ago that would have been something that raised eyebrows what's odd is that they can't get over the old problems things like dancing you know which is always i mean you know going back to the one nine hundred fifty s. people flipped out about rock music because of the dancing it inspired that earlier than that i mean at the turn of the century the waltz was considered a sexual dance because the partners touched each other even though they had like
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clear daylight between them so it's kind of a recurring attempt to hold back the wave of kind of adolescent hormones so i think dancing is it brings us all together but you know yes it it's not just about adolescence or. because now we have grown adults we have people that are running for office in this country that are there could be making our laws we have the right like christine o'donnell who you know is on air or back in the day of her m.t.v. days saying that she thinks masturbation also is a form of last and they're right you can't you know we have people like carl paladino in new you are going to saying that homosexuality is the kids are being brainwashed by these people might be politicians does that freaky although i think you know if there is some if there's something harder to stop the dancing it's going to be masturbation so i don't actually worry about the efficacy of that ban but the mentality behind it is is totally disturbing and then in kind of more acceptable terms there are things like trying to ban violent video games or sexual videogames or you know sexting as you were talking about or you know all types of
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communication and some of those are considered acceptable i mean people like barack obama is in favor of you know putting limits on video games and things like that california there's a supreme court case coming up about whether or not minors people under the age of seventeen can can purchase violent or sexually charged video games that's it's very strange and again one of the things that is interesting about this is that impulse is always there and then i have a lot of faith in technology and the wisdom of people around that sort of censorship but they shouldn't have to and let's technology is almost you know bringing it to the forefront now too because now that we have facebook well you know the more people are going to put pictures of themselves getting drunk and you know i mean it is. you know the latest story that is a virginia congressional candidate christine crawled out of that although i have heard has a bunch of ridiculous photos of herself you know which are quite funny and this
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brings us to another point which is that i think people will have to get over this because all of us have been used as a time to have indiscretions youthful indiscretions and they linger longer in the ether because where i would. get over it i mean for example you know i hear that you reason folks have a really wild party even how do you godless heathen student of yours if you guys are adults you're part i actually you know i think that's what memory loss is for and you know if there's one thing you can't stop masturbation you can't stop dancing and you can't stop people from blocking out repression at the political level is a bad thing on the personal psychological level repressing memories is probably a good thing and we've all done that i'm ok with it you know ok finally last question is why do these people have so much power you know i do not believe that these moral crusaders are the majority of americans and yet they try to control everything we do they're obsessed with controlling sacks right in your bedroom and somehow they're successful. again here's for up a happy alternative which is that they have much less power than they used to you
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know fifty years ago one hundred years ago i mean they controlled when you could shop what you could buy exciter they had the real story is that we have more control individuals have more control over how to live their lives what pleasures to take in california for instance is voting you know what a ballot initiative to legalize marijuana you know that's progress of a sort and i think what you will see as people have as politicians have less that they can control in people's private lives they will fight more and more for that last inch of territory they think they actually can control and that does make sense but ok i'll take it from you as an older just telling your yeah yeah i know you're here if you were there i guess i should be feeling left out of the raise that i am you know that i don't believe me it's better now that i and hopefully not as good as it will be thank you so much and by being here all right still to come on tonight's show we're going to look into the case of larry on antonio a former colombian army officer who has just been sent forty four years in prison for a massacre of more than two hundred forty five civilians in the one nine hundred eighty
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s. so how are people reacting and what role did the u.s. play in training this man we'll have all that next. it's taken almost twenty years to finally former colombian army major tony ordering the man that many say was behind the famous trujillo massacres has been sentenced to forty four years in jail now colombian paramilitaries killed thousands of
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civilians in the late one nine hundred eighty s. and the early ninety's as part of those massacres were recording at has been charged for his role in the deaths of two hundred forty five civilians who were hacked into pieces with chainsaws so hard people reacting after waiting more than twenty years for justice and is it time to take a closer look at the school of america. was a graduate more earlier i caught up with nico would a gamma school of america watch organizer and i first asked him to give us a look back at the history of the trujillo massacres who was involved and of the massive human rights violations that were committed. sure well that was a series of massacres actually that happened in the late late eighty's and early one nine hundred ninety s. committed in the area. in the southwest part of colombia and took place in large part with the collusion of the military the paramilitaries and the drug cartels. in that area and were over three hundred people were massacred and it actually became
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synonymous with the use of the chainsaw in colombia because a lot of the victims were cut apart by chains on their part body parts were thrown into the river and it was a very gruesome massacre and it shocked me at the time in colombia was actually denounce and was denouncing the intermarriage in court of human rights for this massacre well so now it's been you know almost twenty years and people have been seeking justice here and finally a leader. has come you know punishment has come his way how are people reacting to this i mean one that takes so long but of course the victims of the massacre and their family members are of course overjoyed. it's where the. this is just one case out of many in colombia just since two thousand and two over there's been over three thousand documented cases of extradition executions by the military forces so this is just one little drop in the bucket and it's also worth noting that colonel
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who was sentenced to forty four years in this massacre for his involvement in the massacre is trained by the school of the americas which is a u.s. army and you bring that up i want to talk about the school of americans he himself is a graduate of columbia sent ten thousand i think the most of any other country. people to train there so what is this pool of americans that right like you said colombia has sent over ten thousand students soldiers to the school the americas it's a u.s. army institution located in fort benning georgia in the united states where the trains soldiers in counterinsurgency tactics and a lot of these soldiers. went on to commit some of the worst human rights abuses in all of latin america and so on the become leaders of coups a lot of people think when they think of the way they think of. the military dictator of that country argentina dictatorship it's not just the past however even
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as early as recent as june june of two thousand and nine general about. a trained soldier who was the head of the. chief of staff he helped to lead a coup against the democratically elected government of manuel said. just last week or two weeks ago. the attempted coup in that country was led by it was one of the people in police implicated in investigated in the attempted coup was colonel. who is also a police graduate of the way so it's very it's very relevant up till today u.s. intervention in latin america continues today and it goes beyond the way as well there's and we heard any any reaction. any statements from us off. as i have no knowledge of that they have not specifically said about this but the us continues to promote institutions like the school america is saying bringing
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democracy to an america and it's really about bringing a so-called democracy to the barrel of a gun. is only purpose only promoting democrats who want to still exists and how many people are there as we speak well we don't actually have the numbers of students who are or the names we have school the americas watch we've asked for the names of all the graduates since two thousand and five who are in the us away but the pentagon refuses to release those names so we don't actually know how many people but we know that countries like colombia have sent over ten thousand graduates over the past two years now we talk about you know the regular civilians people in colombia do they know about they also and they are aware of this or is this just something that you know the policy wonks can discuss and yet average colombian citizens have no idea about the connections well they may not know it specifically about the school of the americas but they understand u.s. intervention in latin america which has happened over centuries now. and so they
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understand institutions like the school in america are not simply an aberration of u.s. policy towards latin america but it's actually a systematic use of muscle and military muscle to implement u.s. neoliberal policies in their countries you could even say you know we also have a similar situation and mexico are now many of the guys that are leading the drug cartels also are u.s. trained you could say how many times have we trained have we funded people that either go out and commit heinous crimes or at one point become our enemies i feel like we're not learning the lessons that we should be learning here exactly what i mean we can speak volumes about the just in the middle east alone. recently with the massacre of seventy two immigrants that was carried out by the set those who many of whom over two thirds of the. cartel were trained at the u.s. so way when they were part of the mexican military so a lot of what we're seeing is we're surprised to see these things have actually
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been these are things i've been taught at the u.s. school in america and for some reason somehow this school of the americas is so one of the much about and we're definitely seems like there are some very. odd connections there and i thank you so much for coming on and talking to us about it thank you. still to come tonight our tool time award goes to a group with an embarrassingly over the top ad questioning obama's commitment to israel and you guys know that he hates them we'll show it to you in a moment and also the mine rescue in chile has the entire world watching but the media's behavior is a little bit over the top so we're going to call them out on that in a moment and she's a get candidate for governor in california but she's been arrested at a debate for candidates running for governor in california i know it doesn't make any sense so we'll speak with green party candidate laura wells about the need for third parties in u.s. politics.
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that are again this is a quick check of the headlines that. russian courts say drug from the time line tongue attacks against addiction know makers have ruled the methods illegal and. support to say they want. to freeze russia and britain agree to disagree on saturday she's including the investigation of a woman k.g.b. officer and exempt status. seek to repair relations with the british foreign secretary is a visit to moscow. and the spine to his steer a promise by the american right beside us trial of a detainee all these dresses gone time the basis of the safe has begun in my town
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without a hitch. as the headline is now and second part of the i don't know it's coming your way right now. well it's time for tonight's tool time award and we are going to give it to a group that's running a new hat targeting president obama and his relationship with israel it's from david horrors it's a freedom center and adding your questions obama's commitment to being a continuous life of israel take a look as for the band of israel at the strong support by eleven consecutive american press it appears obama has sharply toward israel's enemies and the results could be disastrous the leader of hezbollah has vowed to finish the job at the start of. america's strong backing of israel made that impossible but with obama's one the second.

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