iraq war is being called the largest leak of secret military data in history we'll tell you some of the shocking details in the war logs and have a debate over whether these the experts the u.s. military into harms way next we're going to look into the obama administration's proposed sixty billion dollar arms deal with saudi arabia now islamophobia is all the rage in the u.s. these days turning mosques into terror centers and islamic garb into terrorists gear so where is the right wing outraged over this biggest arms sale ever to a muslim country then we're going to be talking about the war but not iraq or afghanistan no this is a currency war and of course into farm experts it is raging in the u.s. and across the world right now as the u.s. tries to fix its economy by adjusting the value of the dollar other countries have used inflation to up their currency but is going to pose a serious problem for the u.s. we're going to speak with r.t. financial correspondent lauren lister and one condom of the youngest and most western detainee takes the deal even guilty to war crimes in exchange for serving

serving out the rest of his sentence in canada but when does a child stop being a child and become a victim and what is a child a war criminal or we're going to debate that issue in just a moment and does the u.s. have an unhealthy obsession with the wealthy we're living in the midst of an economic collapse but our down time is spent watching the rich and fabulous whether it's the real housewives or the gossip girls or any of those shows and i'm personally guilty of watching some of them myself but is their version healthy or does it keep it this keep us distracted from the real issues at hand i want to speak with an actress parian of the young turks at the end of the cho but first today's top story. now it is quite simply the biggest single leak of secret military data in history around four hundred thousand us military dispatches covering sixty years of the war and occupation of iraq the latest revelations from wiki leaks bringing new doubts and gut wrenching detail to the horrors of one of

america's most controversial wars torture executions war crimes half truths and in some cases outright lies by those officials responsible for the war as well as managing our perception of it now the iraq war logs revealed a massive scale of civilian deaths we're talking one hundred and nine thousand human bodies sixty six six thousand of them on armed civilians more than eight hundred people shot dead by u.s. troops at checkpoints the survivors complicated wisconsin compensated with two thousand five hundred for their lost loved ones now remember how the u.s. politicians and generals maintain that they kept no accounts of the civilians killed in iraq we don't do body counts was the quote from general tommy franks if genuine these accounts expose all of that as a massive and sustained lie then there's a torture the iraq war logs show that getting rid of saddam didn't eradicate the brutal tendencies of the iraqi security forces detainees were beaten with pipes

knives cables electricity even a cat in the face in one instance some even confessed to being terrorist just so they can be shipped to the safety of american control now according to the documents u.s. forces were under order to turn a blind eye to it all and if you can decipher the bitter irony here let me spell it out for you this kind of systematic abuse of people under saddam hussein was purse eisley the reasons that the united states gave for invading iraq in the first place and there's more to talk about than we have more than we have time for so you're going to have to explore these files in your own only hope of the obama administration will take heed and investigate the role that its military. played in the horrors described here if america is ever to regain the respect and credibility it once had on the international stage it must turn inwards and account for how this was allowed to happen how we not only allowed but participated in the very human rights abuses that we claimed our invasion would stop how we killed so many

of those people who we came there to protect and how we bought wholesale an official version of a war that was often too far removed from the actual truth now the obama administration has lashed out at wiki leaks for the latest disclosures accusing the site of in danger on u.s. troops but we can leaks founder julian assange argues that the disclosures do more harm than good in an interview with r.t. this weekend a songe explain the significance of the latest leak but it's not good to support things that you do not understand and this is the most accurate description of a war that is ever being released into the historic record. there is nothing comparable it is the details of the deaths of one hundred nine thousand people the wounding of some hundred seventy thousand people that detainment of nearly two

hundred thousand people. in jury for the course of six years and of course that is only about half the military action that went on during that period because it's underneath the u.s. . view on things but. now for a closer look at this leak and what it all means i'm joined by a former senior pentagon correspondent at c.n.n. and blogger for the line of departure jamie mcintyre and press that chatter the investigative journalist and senior fellow at the center for american progress gentlemen think thank you so much for being here and welcome now i want to start with you there's so much information and in these leaks from torture to allegations of innocent lives lost what is the takeaway lesson the what do you walk away with what impressions do you have from the cumulative effect of these. remember these the role field reports the hof a million of them if you count of going to stand in iraq it gives us a grand view a wall a soldier's view of war it's not an iraqi view and often view it tells you what the

soldiers and the soldiers what the soldiers sometimes of course it's not even necessarily accurate i mean they convey something that they witnessed and that's jenny more accurate sometimes things i mean not be very accurate it is the stuff of history and it has to be filtered and it has to be understood in lies and that's what wiki leaks has done it is handing these documents over to experience the new york times the guardian channel for many outlets lamond i think and many of us have gone through many of these documents and come up with some very startling conclusions apache troop the. men who wanted to surrender we have accounts of blackwater opening found people we have accounts of drone was we have many things we have a secret for a go fragmentary order which allow those soldiers tell soldiers they can report but

not to intervene in case of human rights abuse we've learned a tremendous amount now jamie a blinding flash of the obvious as you wrote about the previous wiki leaks leak or will you know these. i think everyone would agree really contribute to this more textured and nuanced understanding of what's going on and they do allow people to to weigh what the u.s. government has said publicly and what the u.s. military says publicly against more detailed information but they are incomplete they don't have all of the context with them and they are something that very it's very susceptible to being overblown if you don't understand the nuance of any particular situation and you start analyzing these again just like i think with the last release we haven't seen in the united states a big outcry of people saying you know what the government said it doesn't match up with these documents because unlike say the pentagon papers back during the vietnam war they don't show

a big disconnect between what the government has said officially and what they what they say i mean what about the simple point of the body counts and we've heard general after general politician after politician said they don't keep track and. they don't keep an official track the same way they keep track of the u.s. casualties and what general franks was saying in that we don't do body counts thing is that body counts the number of enemy forces that you've killed is not a good way to measure whether you're winning the war or just big and that's one of the lessons of vietnam you can kill many enemy fighters in that doesn't mean you're winning so when the u.s. military says we don't do body counts what they mean is we don't use that as a measure of success of whether we're we're prevailing and it is true that it's very hard to keep track of all these civilian casualties most of which by the way and including these new numbers that we see in these reports are killed by other rockies or by outside forces like al qaeda fighters we're not talking about a huge number increase in civilians killed by the u.s. military most of the big increase comes from others and do you agree do you think

that this does not reveal picture of a war different from what the generals and actually quite a different war now the iraq body count have to track as soon. in london and they have documented about one hundred nine thousand deaths by confirming at least two different sources what the pentagon did they have also documented one hundred nine thousand reports only about sixty four thousand correspond and by very careful analysis they've added fifteen thousand to that hundred nine thousand that each of them have got snow one hundred twenty two thousand plus the combatants the americans the security contractors when up to one hundred fifty thousand the pentagon's records revealed by we can leaks another one hundred ninety two and a half thousand injured many of those may have died so we're looking at very large numbers this is the beginning point from which history can be documented this did not exist before the pentagon lives in the past they don't understand human rights they don't understand how today with technology. it's going to be reported

differently and they need to understand that if they want to come and they want to say this is our view of history they're wrong because the truth is that then people can be exposed but one of the reasons they didn't get didn't get in deeply into this question of how many civilians were killed in iraq and obviously it's a large number you know not nearly for instance as large as the number estimated by the lancet a few years ago but clearly larger than the number that the pentagon acknowledge what they really do is because it's very difficult to do it subject to debate and then you have to step back and ask yourself what is the larger question what does that tell you love your question is death civilian death if your job at the pentagon is to go there and say my job is to kill people so i can bring peace to a country that's just wrong that's a very you know oversimplification of somebody down it was by al qaida or by blackwater. but if we fell into a larger question here is true and the biggest thing that stands out to me is you

know we can get into the details of the deaths obviously there's issues in counting that eccentric cetera but the the bigger issue with the war in iraq is about how it was sold to the american people which. at the end of the day it turned out not to be the exact truth and also the actual conduct of the war does not seem to add up with a lot of the information that we're getting and leaks such as what we saw this weekend with wiki leaks well what about that any time you have the official version of what happened and then you have a more detailed granular version from people who are there you're always going to see a difference but again. i would disagree that it shows a huge policy different huge difference between what the u.s. policy is and what what it's attempting to accomplish and how it's attempting to come shoot it does show that world wars are dirty deadly business and a lot of things go wrong and a lot of people die and goals are not accomplished and the reason for going for the war by the way was not what you said which was hussein human rights abuses it was

the belief that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be wrong well i mean the wiki leaks information also showed that you know he did have some chemical weapons but they weren't weapons of mass destruction and one of the justifications that they had the bush administration had made was this guy's a bad guy and we're going to go in and take him out so it's not i mean that was it wasn't always only that the unit had weapons of mass destruction now but they did that they were also going to acquire more and they were going to be more of a threat that was a judgment based on intelligence available at the time which turned out to be incorrect and we can debate whether that was knowable at the time or whether it was only something that was noble after the after the war started switching gears a little bit what i want to ask both of you what we can start with you what do you make of this tendency by mainstream outlets to sort of villainize wiki leaks and focus on julian a songe the man and wiki leaks the organization rifle strife and all kinds of internal issues that sort of trapped from the bigger picture i absolutely think so i mean i think julian assange and wiki leaks have simply exposed

a release date out that they have vetted that was done by the motorist selves themselves so this is not tremendous damage has been done. in your reporting you know he's simply helped whistleblowers to bring information to the public so he doesn't really matter at the end of the day what julian assange is as a person what matters at the end the day is what the military what the soldiers themselves reported about what they saw and in many cases you will find that soldiers report abuses by all the soldiers by their offices by by iraqi officers by the by a lot of different people he has been in this new world you know of social media journalism of data journalism he has brought the truth to the people well i would disagree but the truth people but he has been a conduit for these massive leaks for which people who knew were your viewers to go look at the documents themselves and i would say the same thing. he's been the

conduit that has provided this wealth this treasure trove of material that with sophisticated analysis you can draw your own conclusions about what the truth or truth is but where he is i think where he goes astray is when he starts characterizing the things themselves i think was a big mistake for instance to label the video that they posted collateral murder which implied a judgment when that was when if you look at all of the facts in that it's a lot less clear what was going on like the time of the pentagon papers i think we're living in a media environment where there's so much competition that you almost have to be a little exciting when you get information out there just to force people to pay attention gentlemen thank you both so much for being here i'm sure there's a lot of issues that will remain a question in the subject but i hope we'll have you both back soon we should intervene. now still to come on tonight's show twenty seven years ago today the u.s. invaded the tiny island are now that tonight we're going to look into whether it was a mere blueprint for the preemptive wars of today are killing ford reports in just

a moment and bashing muslims as a full time business here in the u.s. but why wasn't the far right outraged that the obama administration just proposed a sixty billion dollar arms deal to saudi arabia when i discussed that topic with bill egnor a firedoglake dot com in just a moment. wealthy british stock. market. can. find out what's really happening to the global economy with. no holds barred the global financial headlines kaiser reports. go as you. can see. the future covered.

now how many of you internet savvy folks know about act up it's not the mouth watches actually the anti-counterfeiting trade agreement and if you like the subject of internet freedom and digital privacy and the rights of that sort you might not love this intellectual property treaty being negotiated between the united states and a whole host of other countries after has become synonymous with the quest to globally dictates direct kone and copyright rules now after years of secret negotiations a final version of after is finally on the horizon once feared to give unprecedented powers to the global copyright lobby our sources tell us that the latest version has actually been watered down and that after a no longer threatens to turn the internet into a virtual police state but not all internet freedom watchers are breathing a sigh of relief and one man in particular decided to take his fight against actor

to the musical sphere check out dan balz latest take on apta. what's going on. right. now some good stuff now dan boll the self-proclaimed geek rapper created the song appropriately titled to act out because he thinks that the entire agreement is a joke both says that it won't change anything because the law is always one step behind technology and that it's simply going to hurt internet users worldwide and the document strips away on privacy rights on the internet and both things that we have to do anything and everything that we can to fight for what little privacy we have left while also brings up another good point which is if active does does get passed you can bet the popular sites like four chan flick or you tube all of the

good ones are going to be taken down so is it that is that what we're told these. really want giving up our users privacy taking down popular websites to give the entertainment industry the leg up in a world where technology reigns supreme now i think that dan bill has a good message here and hopefully his word spreads after won't work the way it's currently written and hopefully it will never be enacted at all. now before iraq there was and today marks the twenty seventh anniversary of the us invasion called operation urgent the military spend seven sunset seven thousand troops to the teeny tiny island nation of ninety five thousand all under the guise of protecting the hemisphere from scary communism now artie's kalen ford has more on this model of prevent military action that carried the u.s. all the way to iraq. it was a lovely little war

a show of overwhelming force and made for t.v. invasion a tiny island nation whose socialist government was in imminent threat to freedom and prosperity in the western hemisphere grenada we were told it was a friendly island paradise for tourists whether it was it was a soviet cuban car being readied as a major military bastion to export terror and undermine democracy. we got there just in time twenty seven years ago today the u.s. invaded grenada by air land and sea in a show overwhelming force called operation fearing the invasion of grenada was really the most extreme example we have had a until that point of us imperialism abroad because you have seven thousand u.s. troops going into a country of only ninety five thousand people and you know it was it was there was no reason for it what so i mean there is no possible justification for that kind of force against such a small island nation or not as mark says prime minister maurice bishop's social

reforms and close ties to cuba worried the united states. hundreds were killed and injured when the u.s. bombed the densely populated areas we never could get a final. complete estimate of the number who needed to. be in beijing or the number of cubans who for country their small population of one hundred thousand. very hard in many ways it was a litmus test for u.s. military might in the post vietnam war era and an opportunity to fire reagan's billion dollar war machine it won't absolutely. the us updated on the basis of number rejects. the most blatant was that. there was a. cuban military base. there quick brutal invasion became the us blueprint first in grenada then panama the gulf war and the invasion of iraq.

grenada also marked a paradigm shift in journalists relationship with the military the invasion of grenada with something of a testing ground for what we've seen come afterwards and which the media with extremely controlled so that the message coming out with the message that the united states wanted the people to hear it with you know first one of the first of the sort of media wars that culminated in what we see today with journalist. actually being embedded with the troops and only reporting the vision that is the official vision of the united states army for the tiny large expatriate community these days symbolizes intense anger to see. the sovereignty of your country just trampled upon in such a wanton manner was left in my soul that has not yet healed. the u.s. invasion of grenada remains a symbol of how far the united states will go to keep socialism from spreading in this hemisphere and while grenada may be

a distant memory for some the recent interventions in haiti that as well as hunter s. and ecuador silverman fresh in those people's minds for an artsy washington d.c. . now islamophobia is an vogue when it comes to the united states muslims are the fashionable new boogie man of our society kind of like communist word during the days of the red scare say something idiotic about being terrified of all those scary muslims in their garb and you'll get instant street cred with the bigoted far right for a hefty new fox contract but of course i digress now in this line of thinking that turns all mosques into terrorist training centers and all brown people who happen to read the koran into crane's suicide bombers by that logic the obama administration's proposed sixty eight billion dollar arms deal with saudi arabia should have been front and center in the fear mongering debate over the dangers of islam but it wasn't and as my next guest will explain islamophobia happens to be a pretty selective disease for

a closer look i'm joined by bill agner he is the editor of the seminal at firedoglake dot com hi bill thank you so much for joining us so if you're here we have saudi arabia or an entire country of evil scary muslims who are all supposedly bent on the destruction of the united states getting what happens to be the largest arms sale in u.s. history if congress approves this where are they angry bill o'reilly is in the new gingrich's of america on this. issue. as. well. now bill it seems like it there always has to be some sort of evil bogeyman in the u.s. political discourse i mean whether it's the communists the welfare stealing racial

minorities godless illegal immigrants that are taking our jobs whatever now it's the muslims i mean what purpose do you think this serves to to sort of keep the american people in constant fear of some other. bill while sometimes technical issues take place unfortunately i think we must of lost bill their control and do we have bill or. it's a fascinating segment but the point i was making is it really does seem to me at least like there's always somebody out there that the mainstream establishment has to blame you know we saw what happened with the japanese during world war two we saw what happened with communists we saw what happened with any sort of minority that sort of is a threat to the united states and it does have asked one to pause and sort of look into this and say why is it that there has to be this this other this frightening other that we pin all of our problems on. anyhow i think we do have bill

so let's get back to that interview bill can you hear. you're going to start. it. now let me ask you something else i mean for better or worse the united states seems to be known for its cultural exports whether it's mickey mouse or baywatch with david hasselhoff what is much less discussed in the public political discourse here is the fact that we're actually the biggest arms dealer in the entire planet the united states this so what are what implications do you think that has for the massive budget and the endless wars

that the u.s. is involved with and i also have to say i wonder if this is what obama meant when he talked about boosting u.s. exports weapons. well i was sure it was. really wrong. but when we. were really just with this there. were. two rocks. it out it was. you can read in this. group as well right well i always like to say when i favor bumper stickers as being

nice to america well we're bringing democracy to your country that was built thank you so much for joining us now still ahead on tonight's show comparing gays to short people that common earns a wannabe congressman are tool time award in just a moment and a comedian prisoner and get mo has pleaded guilty to killing an american soldier while he was a young teenager but the case raises some disturbing questions about the treatment of child soldiers in a time of war i want to speak with law professor kristine huskey in just a moment. from phone stupid. stunts on

t.v. dot com. guessing live from our studios in central moscow this is our. kids on the front line and two israeli soldiers may face up to three years in prison for using a nine year old palestinian boy as human shields during the dons a war almost two years ago israeli military authorities say using civilians for cover is banned a claim ridiculed by civil rights campaigners who allege its a regular army tactic. iraq's prime minister is under pressure following the massive leak of secret american files that revealing torture and mass civilian deaths in the country with critics asking if he's fit to be in power meanwhile nuri al maliki says that the release of the files which he says are to be investigated

threatens the balance of power in the country and. talking trash ecologists in moscow warned the city may soon find itself suffocating under its own rubbish unless a proper strategy to deal with garbage is found environmental inspectors say they're helpless since the biggest find for littering is only around two hundred dollars. and without further ado let's go right back to part two of the show. now it's time for tonight's tool time award and we're giving it to republican sean .