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and no prison time for petty crimes is what russian lawmakers are proposing as they prepare to revolutionize the country's penitentiary system russia's prisons are currently overflowing. and we have more on the stories in thirty minutes time up next it's the second part of our special report on the controversial american academic norman finkelstein and he's been a cold and self hating jews by some in a street fighting visionary by others we explore his journey around the world as he tries to negotiate a voice among his supporters and critics that's next here on r.t. . i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form but you did great on the comedian now as an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i thought i answered that well you're getting light is you know be in the media smart with a focus and house and terror and then if you know israeli cares i mean i think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an

enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have their say no i'm saying things which deeply upset many people in the audience if they controlled themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their feelings and thoughts and complain about immediately get this done right i don't want to be i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels you know on a copy of the ankle finding street you know that said i want to go sign is profiting from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off and that's basically what it's when you

think about them well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and they're thrown into exile the place where you have don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering right end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons. from what she experienced she was always analyzing what happened she thought that you know in the thames you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about zero or woman whose boyfriend you know sarah lives there and she's. out some violence my mother love the song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the referring and the rest

frame for her was the war so. players. were. last night i spent several hours several unpleasant hour just reading and rereading their paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is suffused with prison hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference are

printed because such parts of this paper will not be included in them. dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth is often a bit ter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the united states because i must won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized

a palestinian state within its internationally legal borders. who are you on your own ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they said occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you are great with the core no the point just like me with the five million should know very well this is a. game. with the whole buying fall of the necessity to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion.

is what i'm the argument which i think has a certain amount of credibility as the argument but i want to look at this so the argument goes something like this i'll start as a special meaning for a jew is that from a biblical in our interview or your view of history of the jewish. palestine has a special resonance for the insurer. to imagine i'd sure stay in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the

jewish people who made no sense i'm bashing a jewish state i'll start made sense for jewish. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of a new book it's called to be the case for israel and debate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and n.h. and reality and the israel palestine conflict now one thousand nine hundred eighty four one joan peters published a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraught without wanting to toot my own horn i'm largely recognized as the person who exposed the froid. i know that book inside out i read it at least four times and i went through eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes. i started to read your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten

foot no the eleven foot no twelve foot no thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters may or so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain and pages twenty three to twenty four i turned to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with with the ellipse ease is in the you know that meaning is the twain quote wrong and feel it is the way to liberate france or about that the key of the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipses in the same places it's been why then really it has stood mr dershowitz i don't what's your point is it that is a correct let us finish now there's a race i want to ask you guys have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there is very clear is never fully

age or is a quote marked exactly x x not exactly in sight mark twain and not shown peters i'm a professor sir i know what plagiarism is. this each expression for my. mother means to a writer going to use a month or two to the dust if there she was this book made of course i wouldn't even use it as a schmuck. in the read you made to challenge my positions he accused me of plagiarism his charge was that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally found. in. a woman named peter's book i had to cite the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what

you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and check cited peter's a times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peter's book the soon as he accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put their pocket former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek ma came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism.

you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking a day with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul finkelstein it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz he began in a democracy now radio program several years ago when he alleged that dershowitz his book the case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not a one campaign against illegal students can you get all the president of all university has about the middle of this month to the side and that was dr finkelstein he's a pastor at the paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allows and by people like this be changing our children in the class of us thanks for joining us i got to start off by asking where things stand on your a ten year old. had you become too hot for american academia the american association

of university professors has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministration. you know why don't you get rid of my memory. then you. now mind. you mumblings. the flow university in may so. i settled that

this is the whole university stage. today we are free to the resolution of our dispute with professor finkelstein. as a part of that resolution he has agreed to this i affected immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher the university thanks him thank you thank you thank the university thanks him for his contributions and his service. i know

a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because the paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein should have gotten a ten year he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar he simply writes screeds the scandal was that paul university ever appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision to deploy university and it was a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was going to he has dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect but just what's to keep quiet then we know

all the kind of connections that dershowitz has in the united states so why don't you tell it like on campus nasa owning almost own person wouldn't have done anything right so paul what do you expect right i don't feel it was that he should downplay the issue of plagiarism i didn't think that a person would in the news and wouldn't issue. dershowitz is a plagiarist appears it's not significant but significant as the material. before. it he did i thought he would put it in a separate article just drop. thank . you thank

you. my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit in dubai the bull war criminals whether it was colombia that sought out kissinger whether it was george howell which employed kirkpatrick or stands for which now has rumsfeld when you consider that professors in our best universities advocate torture and the automatic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's rules of etiquette. however rio the question is is by comparison a meaningless sideshow or just

a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs thank you. to the outside world the conflict in lebanon seemed to stop. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of them civilians of the map of web of lies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that no one expects or. many of those who smile at them. because of the west of since it was just the stakes of destruction of my.

welcome you and i ask that you take a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and lebanon. and that some of you might know that dr norman was born in new york city

only to a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. but our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres the reincarnation of those stories in the streets today. we have a challenge and i'm up at it the challenge is to be both principal and reasonable at the same all i've had and if these sound on reasonable you're going to lose the international community that's a win then i'm not i don't think that's the way to win the struggle like that and that you. are better at this very important that we have americans here who want to assure that we're lucky for the american people i guess that by the syrian lights we know when the people knows anything. that we had to

decide. that it was. that. was. the case i could have given a rather awkward tork you know wrong live on struggle and snobbishness are innocent of the corrupt life. i don't believe in it and b. i think it's pointless. i did when i can which is. pleased to be intelligently about possibilities for a change in the us. but it's been tough you know there was one woman you know sort of like the house. a profound thing comes out from the simple person she was lying in bed she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are

you she says and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage as he told me she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old you're twelve because i love palestine and i was twelve years old enough to that there's the end of life. from twelve years of age and. it was a good learning you remember things like that. after and go barber. after the shame not done robbie well by the odd and after the anger about them although there still remains the hope. i'm not that i'm on and i know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say while a man a lot of them a second gets it on the self but i think that. represents the hope like and i

thought of them has been lost you must. sometimes i think have an effect it's a very good thing and now i'm going to tell you and has inflicted and hezbollah huge defeat as you might done could be at a time just for you have to keep knocking them into a while and yet and you also told that about i don't see how they reach their son and. yeah i would. let them off i just wanted to get his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books involved in the israel palestine conflict. and the month is out when you. visited lebanon meetings are scheduled for you with various political leaders and some a hezbollah leader there is

a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick elementary and uncomplicated question. look he's not in the same classes as ball or in a. position to lob missiles and all of that as well make the third of the country and happen. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like him and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is

no longer axiomatic. it's more more of a qualitatively more then the usual this content of proof in the

fields with the world. i see it as. radical is unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong but the interact with these are radically. the world go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are these you choose to see the world. this is a radically unfair. and it requires a radical change. the. we're.

just.