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will. bring you the latest in science and technology from the realms. we've got the future covered. welcome back a quick recap of the headlines now time to make friends nato hopes for better russian ties seeks moscow's help on missile defense and afghanistan president get upset and join has been started. dishing out democracy at a price u.s. taxpayers shelling out billions of dollars to fund foreign influence. and living with leo one hundred years after death the world's most celebrated office
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thousands of people are still persisting that tolstoy state keeping that russian writer spirit in the. next the first part of our close up portrait of normal finkelstein the outspoken critic of israel and the juror son of a holocaust survivor. i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form but you did great the comedian now has an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i thought i answered that well you're getting light is you know being in the media smarter to focus and house and care and then if you know israeli cares i mean i think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have their say no i'm saying things which deeply
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upset many people in the audience if they controlled themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their feelings and thoughts and complain about immediately get it right i don't want to be i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels and economy at the end heinecke street you know said norman finkelstein is profiting from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off as basically was when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in the place where you have don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering right end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i
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was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons. from what she experienced she was always analyzing what happened she thought that you know in like ten you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about zero or woman whose boyfriend you know dumps her what leaves her and she said i'm not i'll survive this my mother loved this song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the referring and the rest frame for her was the war sorrow.
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players. last night i spent several hours several unpleasant hour just reading and rereading their paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is suffused with prison hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference are printed bits such parts of this paper will not be included in the. invite that dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth
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is often a bit ter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the e.u. in the united states because i must won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state with then its internationally legal borders. who are you on your own ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they said occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west
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by. what kind of argument which i think as a certain amount of credibility as the argument that i want to look at this is so the argument goes something like this i'll start has a special meaning for a jew is that from a book that will go on our interview of or your view of the history of the jewish. palestine has a special resonance for the true ish. to imagine i'd sure stay in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the jewish people who made no sense i'm bashing the jewish state out start made sense for jewish. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of
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a new book it's called the case for israel intimate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and n.h. and reality and the israel palestine conflict now one thousand nine hundred eighty four one joan peters published a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraught without wanting to toot my own horn i'm largely recognized as the person who exposed the for what. i know that book inside out i read it at least four times and i went through all eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes i started to read your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten foot no the left and footnote twelve footnote thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters they are
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so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain on pages twenty three to twenty four i turn to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with with the ellipse ease is in the you know that meaning is the twain quote romance the olympics he went there a financer about that the key of the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipses in the same places it's been why i then read here really has stood mr dershowitz i don't what's your point is if that is a correct let me finish mr sherwood i want to ask you guys have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there is very clear it will never fully age or isn't quote marked exactly x x not exactly a cite mark twain and not shown peters i'm a professor sir i know what plagiarism is. is
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a huge issue expression for my. mother means a writer to use a month or two to the dust. if there she was this book made of course i wouldn't even use it as a schmuck. in the read you made to challenge my positions he accused me of plagiarism his charge was. that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally found in. a woman named peter's book i had to cite the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and check cited peter's a times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peter's book soon as he
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accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put bach the former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek bach came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism. you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking a day with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul
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i think you'll see it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz it began in the democracy now radio program several years ago when he alleged that dershowitz his book a case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not one campaign against illegal themes can you get all the president of all university has about the middle of this month to the side and that was dr finkelstein easer festered to paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allow. but how can people like this be teaching our children in the class first thanks for joining us i got to start by asking where things stand on your a ten year old. how do you become too hot for american academia to the american association of university professors who has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministrations. you know how to get rid of my memory. and you.
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a part of that resolution he has agreed to resign affected immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher at the university thanks jim thank you thank you thank the university thanks him for his contributions and his service. i know a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because the paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein
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should have gotten a ten year he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar or he simply writes screeds the scandal was that paul university ever appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision of a to pull university and it was a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was going to hear cases dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect but just what's to keep quiet then we know all the kind of connection for dershowitz has in the united states so why don't you tell it like on campus not so only normal so person would have done anything right so paul what did he expect my own feeling was that he should downplay that issue of
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plagiarism i didn't think that a person would in the news and wouldn't issue. there should it's a plagiarist piers it's not significant but significant is the material about the history of. it he did i thought he would put it in separate or just drop it. thank. you thank . my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring. when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit
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in dubai the bull war criminals whether it was colombia that sought out kissinger whether it was george howell which employed kirkpatrick or stands for which now has rumsfeld when you consider that professors in our best universities advocate torture and the automatic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's rules of etiquette. however rio the question is is by comparison a meaningless sideshow or just a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs
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thank you. to the outside world the conflict in lebanon seemed to stop. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of the civilians the map of web allies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that they want to expect. many of those who smile at them. because of the west of since a visit to the states the structure of my.
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welcome you and i ask that you take a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and lebanon. some of you might know that dr norman was born in new york city led to a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. but our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres or the reincarnation of those stories in the streets of shatila today. we have
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a challenge and i would add that the challenge is to be both principle and reasonable at the same well i had and it means sound i'm reasonable you're going to lose the international community but that's the one that i'm not i don't think that's the way to win the struggle like that and that you. are better at it is very important that we have americans who want to assure that luck or the american people are against that but assyrian lights we know when the people knows anything. on the site.
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that. was. the place i could have given a rather well records or you know long live on struggle and smash their inner strength of their craft by the. way i don't believe in then be i think it's pointless. i did with i care which is pleased me intelligently about possibilities for change in the u.s. . but it's been tough you know there was one woman you know sort of right. how. a profound thing comes out from the simple person she was lying in bed. she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are you she's and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage told me
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she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old you're twelve because i love palestine and i was twelve years old enough to that this kind of life. from twelve years of age and. it was a good learning you remember things like that. after go barber. after the shame not done robbie well by the odd and after the anger about them although there still remains the hope. i'm not. and i know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say. on them. but i think that represents the hope like and i thought of them hezbollah you must. sometimes i think had an effect it's a very good thing and now i'm going to tell you and has inflicted on the hezbollah
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huge defeat as you might done a bit of time to spare you have to keep knocking them. out and you also will doubt about i don't see how they reached their son and. yeah i would. but i just can't get into his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books and knowledge of the israel palestine conflict. and the month is out when you. visited lebanon meeting center scandal for you with various political leaders and some a hezbollah leader there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is
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a very very sick i remember three and uncomplicated question. look he's not in the same class as bala you know he's a. position to lob missiles and all that as well like the third of the country and happen. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is but what he like him and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic and yes.
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