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still visiting the tolstoy state and the russian writer spirit alone. the next the first part of our close up portrait of norman finkelstein outspoken critic of israel and the jewish son of a holocaust survivor. you know the famous joke a journalist goes around them asks a russian of oh and it's really the same question he first goes to the russian excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the russian says what's in the pinion. the reporter then goes to the pope excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the pogos what's meat. you know goes to the israeli excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage is really replies what's excuse me. norman finkelstein speaks for no

one but himself and a handful of people who have such hatred for america. famous in this risky credit cards shit that if a person walked down the streets of london going to treat people he could probably be killed before he made. it through for every single member of my family on both sides was exterminate both of my parents who i know who i work i know i thrive. at it for five flake and exactly we cry from refuse my parents for me and might simply and i will not be fighting with israel commits its crimes against the palestinians .

norman finkelstein is a professor of political science he's been at the center of numerous heated academic and political disputes he can. who has ever managed to stifle you look at you there's a plethora of books the rise and fall of palestine the holocaust industry reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering beyond. the base hasn't been able. to look time has

a way in some dusty room unable to speak. today a debate and a new book called the case for israel it's by alan dershowitz who is one of the nation's foremost appellate lawyers felix frankfurter professor of law at harvard law school and why don't we start with you laying out the thesis of your latest book the case for israel well i want to write a progressive liberal case for the two state solution which i think that most israelis favor and have favored for a long time i argue in the book that no country in history faced with comparable threats both external and internal has ever tried so hard to comply with the rule of law i compare israel favorably to the united states in this regard norman

finkelstein your response i was asked to comment in the sky his new book i went home purchased one copy in fact i purchased two copies i read the book very carefully i did with what someone serious does. with the book. i read the text i went through the footnotes i went through it very carefully and there's only one conclusion one can reach having read the book and this is a scholarly judgment it's not an ad hominum attack mr dershowitz has concocted a fraud. my parents were survivors of knobs in concentrating. sometimes i was. because. i thought it was going to be like. opening up this new skates everything is going to come out and i wouldn't be able to handle it.

did not want to know. my first involvement publicly and quickly with the israel palestine conflict with the israeli invasion of love between ninety. and the estimates or you know somewhere around twenty thousand towers to. overwhelmingly civilians were killed. and so i started to read voraciously on the israel palestine. so now i have both the event and the scholarly commitment and then obviously i'm

jewish so i have a personal commitment and the three came together. i say one back to the occupied territories chair in the first intifada i am one to live with a couple pounds to the families. to philip enduring relationship to. normal was always a very political person even in tenth grade eleventh grade he was always very political he was probably more political than anybody that i knew with the time and we were many of us very political beings being against the war in vietnam was very was involved that was the thing to do but norman was truly was truly

against it. you know i could understand why you weren't torn apart by what the us was doing the. right thing seeing some to help you see the real girls instead of my shoes being in similarly from my parents i got the moral commitment but what i got from professor chomsky was a way to articulate it intellectually without losing the passion and commitment it was a way to do both when i met him. the time he was a graduate student he was a graduate student at princeton. in the middle east department working on the history zionism and at that time a book appeared to draw on peter's book from time immemorial which was receiving

an enormous praises everywhere hundreds of a lot of the reviews the greatest thing let's check with ice cream. the bull was completely preposterous and worthless the book said that there were no palestinians in palestine until the zionists came along and made the desert bloom and then the palestinians began to arrive to palestine it was the book that was a no value whatsoever it simply recycled very old and stale israeli propaganda but it was the book that american jews want to have because it completely whitewashed israel. and the book was a huge success and received every accolade in america until norman finkelstein wrote

a longer view article in which he exposed the spurious scholarship behind that book and i send out my findings to like twenty five people tied them up. and then one side of the morning i got a quote from professor chomsky you know this is noam chomsky he said i read your findings and they saw on the right to me i mean is going to be controversial in a generally it isn't but there are certain issues in certain subjects when debate can be difficult. this book is the holocaust industry and moment think of steen. welcome to you thank you for having me controversial and i can not use words mean over you i mean i am.

i. know many things that i don't but i don't even know so throw at us i remain faithful. to the horrendous suffering of my parents yet then i see how the course has a long ceased to be a source of morrow or his sorrow in my opinion and it has become a straight out extortion racket i have full of american jews have a fact of holy hijack the nazi holocaust for the last may oh europe.

these how local on tough have you heard on the main phone or. an anti semitism in europe as well as the main perpetrators of a holocaust denial i do slightly disagree with the tone opus voice what it discusses these betters because i do feel that remember a specially organized brooms is costly it doesn't just happen it isn't just done by volunteer. there is no avoid something like it organization that could be called the dentist.

this is not about some construction of memory this is about people using history for their political purposes. there is no new anti semitism this is pure fabrication. there is a creation of a new anti semitism to serve the same purpose as was used for the past twenty years the holocaust industry to divert attention from what's being done to the palestinians so everybody is talking about the new anti semitism instead of what's being done to the palestinians and the wonderful inversion to turn israel and its supporters into the victims and turn the palestinians and their supporters into the victimizers turning reality wholly on its head.

my grandmother did not like her because. she was afraid. and she was very good for me. she felt. i was frankenstein's monster in this case finkelstein sometimes i had taken her too literally. taken it too much to heart. and. she felt i was destroying my sort of. son. and david wrote

a book called the holocaust industry the whole point of the page has been censored trivialise i am not blocking the whole point of the book was to trivialize to minimalize. jewish suffering that took place in the holocaust that has nothing to do with the conflict it's going on in the middle east the only thing that it dies is it adds to the tension on campus he made his entire career is based on truth. to speak like. he. did. we. were told to respect i'm an old timer i know how deeply frustrating it can be when you're sitting in the audience and somebody goes on for an hour and a half saying things that you find i've only utterly loathed some repulsive and

also you think factually incorrect and. i think thanking people who should have more than sixty seconds as i said i'll leave it to the patience of the audience when you feel it's going on too long you know how to express your disapproval otherwise they should be allowed to go out. during your speech you made a lot of references to jewish people as well as certain people in your audience not just people in general but certain people especially in your audience to nazis you know but it's extremely offensive when certain people. and they're also extremely offensive to people who actually suffered under nazi world i don't respect that anymore i really don't i don't like and i don't respect the crocodile. to commute to work hard to go through our.

i loudly and i lie when the fear of my i mean it's very very certain oh. my we defer. i know mike well i don't like the way before him or the and the hollow course card but since now i feel ok now i feel compelled to write far more well figure out. not i really. raise shylock i write one figure out my way my brother works in my god i'm going to carry. every single member of my family i might cry. i was trying to stick a writer was at auschwitz concentration crowd my my brother

was in my prime concentration camp every single member of my family on both sides was exterminated both of my parents wonder why so ok i know are pricey and said precisely and exactly the crux of the lessons of my parents who are moving. i might who physically but i will not be silent when israel commits of crimes against the palestinians i consider nothing more obvious. than to use various suffering and very well for them to try to justify not where care or not really was very few can remember much of hovey threat is real very clear it's a guide to how fairly and so i really do know i do longer to be in him a day or browbeating privateers if you had you know you would be crying

for the palestinians now. i. norman finkelstein is a classic anti-semite. he invokes the oldest stereotypes against the jews if he were not a jew that is she i don't think he is a jew he is as someone once put it he's jewish only on his parents' side. if he were not a jewish person or a person of jewish heritage with a name like finkelstein nobody would have any doubt that he was an anti-semite it's only because he's jewish sometimes i fell for the stuff and he said oh i just hate when you're good to be critical of israel many israelis are critical of israeli policies many israelis are. anti zionist even i have no problem with people challenging and critiquing zionism israel israeli policies i would never call the person who really did that anti-semitic what pincus name does goes

well beyond that. i am there's no question. whatever you feel about the justice or injustice of the establishment of the state of israel whatever you think about that that's a historical question there is now a current political question all of the palestinians are the palestinians intitled to their self their prime and they in there are two people living in doubt when one people have the full rights of statehood in any percent of the land and the people who occupied out land for several thousand years consecutively are being there not their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their homeland

thank you thank you. i don't entirely agree with the previous speaker. this is the israeli palestinian conflict. israeli palestinian front of the arab this whole conflict the wall street journal journalists called on the hill goes to pakistan. to do this is a story of islamic extremists i guess kidnapped now they kidnapped him because he was an american journalist of that will obviously lie call them out of jealousy this be a cia agent. but also they discovered. the whole world school was a jew. and i was about to take his speech and israelis. they

go so so i did about it but i let them to assess on camera. speaking to the dio teletypes rather like this whole system to assess of hamra i found the jew the son of the jew less and then they slit his throat. the people who did that have not been stopped it is really check for people to do that hoping that the soldiers are either. now let's turn off the roots of this conflict. we sold into a situation in which a large segment of the world. title in the western world and the semitism is almost vanished in this classical sense large sections of the world and fit in fact it is something that's almost indistinguishable from that to satisfy the entire world community say between one in six states depending on the vote the entire world

community believes that the palestinians should have their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their homeland is real and united states are denying them that right it's as simple as that and you can drag in that conservatism the holocaust daniel pearl and everything else but it can't change the fundamental facts the fundamental facts are these the entire world community supports a two state settlement along the june one thousand nine hundred sixty seven borders israel in the united states the chief rejectionists in the world are opposed to it . many issues with mr finkelstein's position but chief among them is his notion that really this cut this situation which has persisted in the middle east for decades really comes down to something very simple it's all the fault of the israelis but i think there are a number of reasons that could explain this for instance popularity with those

individuals who support palestinian side of the middle east question first is with . a well read and their take to it spokesperson of their cause said on the ball and i have to really be quite candid here the fact of the matter is that norman finkelstein is a member of the jewish community and have a member of the jewish community speak out against the state of israel because his words a certain cachet that no one jew or a palestinian spokesperson. would simply would not have. well you say good word about israel let's be clear about one thing and my view as a release have the right to be there they have the right to exercise self-determination in. what's his star power i have no question in my mind about that

and i have many friends who live there many people who i deeply respect i have no interest whatsoever in playing this game of bashing israel that's not my thing but but allow me to buy for those of you who are snickering but just as it would be shameful shameful for any german during world worth. to give a lecture singing the praises of germany. and just as during the u.s. war in vietnam for me to sing the praises of the u.s. amid the horror and amid the suffering i'm not going to sing the praises of israel when the war is over when palestinians have equal rights when there is justice there i'll be very happy to join along with everybody in seeing israel's

accomplishments and criticizing its faults but not while and when it's torturing the palestinian three three. and. this is made much less. complete annihilation stay here. we do have the problem but every time and effort is may on the palestinian or the europeans. to negotiate and to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear at all calling terrorist so long as you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world very thought.

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