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promotion of democracy is being implemented through a network of organizations that did not use any political affiliation. on a hundred years after the death of one of the world's greatest devore rice is very tolstoy's the philosophical ideas but popular is that all through celebrated novels war and peace and. is being remembered throughout russia on the world. next the second. portrayed of normal finkelstein spoken critic of israel and the jurors of the holocaust. i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form but you did great for media now as an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i thought i answered that well you getting line is you know being in the media smart

with a focus and house and terror and then it you know is really charismatic i mean i think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have their say no i'm saying things which deeply upset many people in the audience if they controlled themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their feelings and thoughts and complain about the media to get this going i don't want to be i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels and economy at the ankle high next thing you know said our internal fine is profiting

from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off and that's basically what is when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in the place where you have don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering right end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons. from what she experienced she was always analyzing what happened she thought that you know in that tense you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about know a woman whose boyfriend you know dumps her what leaves her and she's.

out some violence my mother love the song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the referring and the rest frame for her was the war so. players. were. last night i spent several hours several unpleasant hours reading and rereading their paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is suffused with

press and hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference are printed because such parts of this paper will not be included in the. invite dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth is often a bit ter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the united states because i must won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name

a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state with then its internationally illegal border is. wrong if you are more wrong ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they say. occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the court at no point just like even the thought of me in this you know very well this is a. decision with the full by fall of the necessity to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion.

is what i'm the argument which i think as a certain amount of credibility as the argument but i want to look at this here so the argument goes something like this house armed has a special meaning for a jew graph from a book that will go through our interview for the point of view of the history of the jewish. i'll stand has a special resonance for the jewish people to imagine i'm sure stay

in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the jewish people who made no sense i'm bashing the jewish state houses are made sense for jewish. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of a new book it's called to be the case for israel intimate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and n.h. and reality and the israel palestine conflict now one thousand nine hundred eighty four one joan peters published a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraught without wanting to toot my own horn i'm widely recognized as the person who exposed the for what. i know that book inside out i read it at least four times and i went through all eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes i started to read

your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten foot no the left and footnote twelve footnote thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters may or so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain and pages twenty three to twenty four i turned to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with with the ellipse ease is in the eleventh is the twain quote romance philip is the way the rate for a surrogate at the key of the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipses in the same places it's been why then really has stood mr dershowitz i don't what's your point is it that is a corral to a finish not

a sheer waste i want to ask you that have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there is very clear it is not of plagiarism to quote marks exactly excepts not except that you cite mark twain and not shown peters i'm a professor sir i know what plagiarism is. busy to expression for my. mother means to turn around and use a month or two to dust. if there sure was this book made of course i wouldn't even use it as if my. interest you made to challenge my positions he accused me of plagiarism his charge was. that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally found in. a woman named peter's book i had to

cite the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and check cited peter's eight times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peter's book the soon as he accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put their pocket former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek bell came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism.

you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking today with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul finkelstein it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz he began in a democracy now radio program several years ago when he alleged that dershowitz his book a case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not one campaign against illegal themes can you get all the president of all university has to about the middle of this month to the side of that was dr finkelstein he's a bastard to paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allow. but how can people like this be teaching our children in the class first thanks for joining us i've got to start as well so where things stand on your a ten

year at. university and you become too hot for american academia the american association of university professors has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministrations. you know how to get rid of my memory. and you. being. me. i think. now i think. now my. way.

things. the flow university and myself reach a settlement this is the whole universe the state. today we are free to the resolution of our dispute with professor finkelstein. as a part of that resolution he has agreed to design a fact immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher at the university thanks jim thank you thank you thank the university thanks him for his contributions and his service.

i know a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because the paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein should have got tenure he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar he simply writes screeds the scandal was that paul university ever appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision to deploy university and it was a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was

going to he has dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect but just what's to keep quiet then we know all the kind of connection for dershowitz has a united states so why don't you tell it like ok that's not so i mean normal so person wouldn't have done anything right so paul what do you expect right own feeling was that he should downplay that issue of plagiarism i didn't think the first word in the newsroom wouldn't issue. there should it's a plagiarist here's it's not significant but significant is the material about the history of. it he did i thought he would put it in separate article just drop. thank.

you thank. my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring. when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit in dubai the bull war criminals whether it was colombia that sought out kissinger whether it was george howell which employed kirkpatrick or stands for which now has rumsfeld when you consider that professors in our best universities advocate torture and the order medic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's

rules of etiquette. however real the question is is by comparison a meaningless sideshow or just a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs thank you. so the outside world the conflict in lebanon seemed to stop. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of them civilians the map of web allies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that they want to expect. many of those who smile at them in the capitals of the west of since

a visit to the states the structure of my. welcome you and i ask that you take a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and

lebanon. some of you might know that dr norman was born in new york city led to a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. but our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres or the reincarnation of those stories in the streets today. we have a challenge and i know that that the challenge is to be both principle and reasonable at the same all i've had and it needs sound on reasonable you're going to lose the international community but that's that when they come out i don't think that's the way to win the struggle like that and that you. are a bit of that is very important that we have americans who want to assure that luck or the american people are against that but

a syrian lights we know when the people knows anything. on the site. there was. room for. that. was. the place i could have given a rather awkward tork you know wrong live on struggle and snobbishness are innocent of the crap life. i don't believe in be i think it's pointless. i did when i can which is pleased to be intelligently about possibilities for change in the u.s. . but it's been tough you know there was one woman you know sort of rugby or

both. a profound thing comes out from the simple person she was lying in bed. she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are you she's and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage told me she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old you're twelve because i look palestine one of twelve years old enough to that there's the end of life. from twelve years of age and. it was a good learning you remember things like that. after and go barber. after the shame not done robbie well by the odd and after the anger about them although there still remains the hope. i'm not that i'm on and

i know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say. about them a second good theater on them. but i think that there's a lot represents the hope like and i thought of them hezbollah you must and sometimes i think i have an effect if it's a very good thing and know what i'm going to tell you and has inflicted on the hezbollah a huge defeat as you might be at a time this where you have to keep knocking them until a while and then you and you also will doubt about i don't see how they reach their son and. yeah i would. let them get to be his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books and knowledge of the israel palestine conflict.

and the month is out when you. visited lebanon meeting centers can do it for you with various political leaders and some i has been there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick i remember three and uncomplicated question. look who's not in the same process as bala in a. position to lob missiles and all that as well like the third of the country and habitable. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like him and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's

legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic and yes. it's more more of

a qualitatively more then the usual this content of proof in the fields with the world. i see a. radically unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong for the night with these are not radically. the world go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are is you choose to see the world. this is a radically unfair. and it requires a radical change. the. way.

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