she was afraid. and she was very good for the. chief though. our lives frankenstein's monster. we don't have the problem but every. effort is made on the palestinian or in the european side to negotiate in to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear of war calling our song goes you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world. we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish culture happening and people get so upset

this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail. this is all see coming to live from moscow to have mine. and they soon be taken to moscow to take part in missile defense plans for europe will only be taken up if russia is an equal partner according to president vetted it was speaking at the alliance a summit in lisbon where closer ties with moscow have been welcomed by leaders including president obama. influenced american taxpayers' money is being bankrolled political policies and opposition groups across the world to promote you

and see interest. flag of spreading democracy the slush fund allows money into a network of organizations that officially deny any political affiliation. the scintilla of the death of the legendary writer leo tolstoy is marked across russia the world his philosophical ideas and words such as war and peace and on the caribbean there remain as source of huge inspiration today. of next the first part of our close up portrait of norman filkins steen the outspoken critic of israel and the jurors son of holocaust survivors. you know the famous joke a journalist goes around and asks a russian of oh and it's really the same question he first goes to the russian excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the russian says what's an

opinion. the reporter then goes to the pope excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the pogos what's meat. you know goes to the israeli excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage is really replies what's excuse me. norman finkelstein speaks for no one but himself and a handful of people who have such hatred for america. famous in this wrist curriculums should that if a person walking the streets of london telling the truth to people he could probably be killed before he met. her through fear every single member of my family on both sides was exterminate

both of my parents who i know who i work i know i thrive. at it for five flake and exactly because of the refuse my parents taught me and my simply and i will not be silent when israel commits its crimes against the palestinians. norman finkelstein is a professor of political science he's been to the center of numerous heated academic and political disputes you can. who has ever managed to stifle you look at you there's a plethora of books the rise and fall of palestine the holocaust industry reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering.

the bait hasn't been able. to look time has a way in some dusty room on able to speak. today a debate and a new book called the case for israel it's by alan dershowitz who is one of the nation's foremost appellate lawyers felix frankfurter professor of law at harvard law school and why don't we start with you laying out the thesis of your latest

book the case for israel well i want to write a progressive liberal case for the two state solution which i think that most israelis favor and have favored for a long time i argue in the book that no country in history faced with comparable threats both external and internal has ever tried so hard to comply with the rule of law i compare israel favorably to the united states in this regard norman finkelstein your response i was asked to come in discuss his new book i went home purchased one copy in fact i purchased two copies i read the book very carefully i did with what someone serious does with a book. i read the text i went through the footnotes i went through it very carefully there's only one conclusion one can reach having read the book and this is a scholarly judgment it's not an ad hominum attack mr dershowitz has concocted a fraud. my parents were survivors of knobs and.

sometimes i was. because. i thought it was going to be like opening up this new skates everything is going to come out and i wouldn't be able to handle it. the one. my first involvement publicly in the israel palestine conflict was the israeli invasion of love between ninety two. and the estimates or you know somewhere around twenty thousand. of the mainly

civilians were killed. and so i started to read voraciously on the israel palestine. so now i have both the event and the scholarly commitment and then obviously i'm jewish so i have a personal commitment and the three came together. i saw one back in the occupied territories chairing the first intifada a time one to live with a couple calls to the families. to philip enduring relationship to. normal was always

a very political person even in tenth grade eleventh grade he was always very political he was probably more political than anybody that i knew with the time and we were many of us very political beings being against the war in vietnam was very was involved that was the thing to do but norman was truly was truly against it. you know i could understand why you weren't torn apart by what the u.s. was doing to you. out of these scenes on television you know little girls and things to my shoes being incinerated from my parents i got the moral commitment but what i got from professor chomsky was a way to articulate it intellectually without losing the passion and commitment it was a way to do both when i met him. the time he was

a graduate student he was a graduate student at princeton. in the middle east department working on the history of zionism and at that time a book appeared to draw on peter's book from time immemorial which was receiving an enormous praise just everywhere under it's a lot of reviews the greatest thing since chocolate ice cream. here's the full force completely preposterous and worthless the book said that there were no palestinians in palestine until the zionists came along and made the desert bloom and then the palestinians began to arrive to palestine it was the book that was a no value whatsoever it simply recycled very old and stale

israeli propaganda but it was the book that american jews want to have because it completely whitewashed israel. and the book was a huge success and received every accolade in america until norman finkelstein wrote a longer view article in which he exposed the spurious scholarship behind that book and i send out my findings to like twenty five people tied them up. and then one saturday morning i got a call from professor chomsky you know this is noam chomsky and he said i read your writings and if they saw on the right to me i mean is going to be controversial in a generally it isn't but there are certain issues in certain subjects where debate can be difficult.

this book is the holocaust industry and norman finkelstein the author of welcome to you thank you for having me controversial and i can't not use words mean over you have my. own opinion i don't know i don't even know so far as i remain faithful. to the horrendous suffering of my parents yet they're not asking how the horse has who all ceased to be a source of morrow or his sorrow and mightn't it has become a straight out extortion racket i have full of american jews have

a fact of holy hijack than i see how the course of the last mayo europe. these how one tough haveby one of the main phone or. an anti semitism in europe as well as the main perpetrators of a holocaust denial i do slightly disagree with the told opus was what it discusses these matters because i do feel that i remember a specially organized brooms is costly it doesn't just happen it isn't

just done by volunteer. there is no avoid something like that organization that we call the dentist. this is not about construction of memory this is about people using history for their political purposes there is no new anti semitism this is pure fabrication. there is a creation of a new anti semitism to serve the same purpose as was used for the past twenty years the holocaust industry to divert attention from what's being done to the palestinians so everybody is talking about the new anti semitism

instead of what's being done to the palestinians and the wonderful inversion to her israel and its supporters and to the victims and her and the palestinians and their supporters into the victimizers turning reality wholly on its head. my grandmother could not buy because. she was afraid. and she was very good for me. she felt. i was frankenstein's monster in this case finkelstein sometimes. i had taken her too literally. taken it too much to heart. and. she felt i was destroying my sort of.

son. and they missed he wrote a book called the holocaust industry the whole point of the page has been such a trivialize i am not blocking the whole point of the book risk to trivialize to minimalize jewish suffering that took place in the holocaust that has not. i think to do with the conflicts going on in the middle east the only thing that it does is it adds to the tension on campus he made his entire career is based on was me let me see.

we're going to respect i'm an old timer i know how deeply frustrating it can be when you're sitting in the audience and somebody goes on for an hour and a half saying things that you find obviously utterly loathed some repulsive and also you think factually incorrect and. i think i think people should have more than sixty seconds as i said i'll leave it to the patience of the audience when you feel it's going on too long you know how they express your disapproval otherwise they should be allowed to go on. joining your speech you made a lot of references to jewish people as well as certain people in your audience not just people in general but certain people especially in your audience to nazis you know that is extremely offensive when certain people. and they're also extremely

offensive to people who actually suffered the nazi world i don't respect that anymore i really don't i don't like and i don't respect the crocodile tears to come to their crocodile. i loudly to finish and i lie only here on my meter thirty nine cents. allow me to finish. i run. oh mike well i don't like to play before an audience the hi-lo course card but since now i feel ok now i feel compelled to write farmer welcome to our. mother mary. shylock one thanks for i work while you're out.

my mate my brother was in my prime and hyperinflation cared. every single member of my family and my father. i might well have. just been my father was at auschwitz concentration throughout my my brother was in my prime concentration camp every single member of my family on both sides was exterminated both of my former who of course i know are rising and profiled fully and exactly the price of the raw foods my parents taught me and my proof simply that i will not be silent when israel commits its crimes against the palestinians i consider nothing more openness. to use

various suffering and very well are going to try to justify not work you're not brutal was very human remember the moment for the poem right here is really very clear it's ok to be and so i reply you know i do longer to be in him a day or browbeaten by my peers if you had you know you would be crying for the palestinians not. norman finkelstein is a classic anti-semite. invokes the oldest stereotypes against the the jews if he were not a jew that is she i don't think he is a jew he is as someone once put it he's jewish only honest parents side. if he were not a jewish person or a person of jewish heritage with a name like finkelstein nobody would have any doubt that he was an anti-semite it's only because he's jewish sometimes i feel that this is something to the secular jew

hating you good to be critical of israel. many israelis are critical of israeli policies many israelis more. antenna zionist even i have no problem with people challenging and critiquing zionism israel israeli policies i would never call a person merely did that anti-semitic what drivel steve does goes well beyond the. thank. you israel question whatever you feel about the justice or injustice of the establishment of the state of israel whatever you think about that that's a historical question there is not a current political question all of the palestinians are the palestinians

intitled to their self determination there are two people living in doubt when one people have the full rights of statehood in any percent of the land and the people who occupied out land for several thousand years consecutively are being there not their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their homeland thank you thank you. i don't entirely agree with the previous speaker. this is the israeli palestinian called. he says the israeli palestinian front of the arab this whole conflict the wall street journal journalist killed on the hill goes to pakistan. this is the story of islamic extremists. and

he gets kidnapped now they kidnapped him because he was an american journalist a battle over you sleep like all american journalist you just be a cia agent. but also kidnapped him they discovered the whole world school who's a jew. and as a matter of fact technically speaking an israeli. they go so so we did about it. but then they didn't confess on camera. speaking to video camera pop some of them like this will forced him to to fess up the camera i am a jew the son of a jew less and then they slit his throat. the people who did that have been stopped it is really checked for people who do that hoping that the soul of israel that. no matter what all the roots of this calm of it all we

devolved into a situation in which a large segments of the world. tali well in the western world of the seventy's it was almost vanished in its classical size large sections of the world and fit in fact it is something that's almost indistinguishable from that he said to see the entire world community say between one in six states depending on the vote the entire world community believes that the palestinians should have their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their homeland yes real and united states are denying them that right it's as simple as that and you can drag in that conservatism the holocaust daniel pearl and everything else but it can't change the fundamental facts the fundamental facts are these the entire world community supports a two state settlement along the june one thousand nine hundred sixty seven borders israel the united states the chief rejectionists in the world are opposed to it.

many issues with mr finkelstein's position chief among them is his notion that really this cut this situation which has persisted in the middle east for decades really comes down to something very simple it's all the fault to be israelis but i think there are a number of reasons that could explain this for instance popularity with those individuals who support palestinian side of the middle east question first is with . a well read and their take to it spokesperson of their cause said in the ball and i have to really be quite candid here the fact of the matter is that norman finkelstein is a member of the jewish community and have a member of the jewish community speak out against the state of israel gives his words a certain cachet that no one jew or palestinian spokesperson. would simply would not.

say of course were about israel. let's be clear about one thing in my view as a release have the right to be there they have the right to exercise self-determination in. what's his star power i have no question in my mind about that and i have many friends who live there many people who i deeply respect i have no interest whatsoever in playing this game of bashing israel that's not my thing but but allow me to buy for those of you who are snickering bought just as it would be shameful shameful for any german during world war two to give a lecture singing the praises of germany and just as during the us war in vietnam

for me to sing the praises of the us. amid the horror and amid the suffering i'm not going to sing the praises of israel when the war was over when palestinians have equal rights when there is justice they are all very happy to join along with everybody in seeing israel's accomplishments and criticizing its faults but not while and when it's torturing the palestinian i thank the e.u. . this question. on. your visit later but here is why i left the yes i had a ways away completely. to hear we do have the problem but every time and effort is made on the palestinian or in the european

saudi to negotiate an end to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear at all calling terrorist so long as you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world with anything right. is if you. please. just.