she was afraid. and she was very good for the. chief though. our lives frankenstein's monster. we don't have the problem but every. effort is made on the palestinian or in the european side to negotiate in to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear of war call the cowards song goes you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world. we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish culture happening and people get so upset

this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail. and again this is all see if we're checking the headlines. a nato invitation to moscow to take part in a missile defense plans for europe will only be taken up if punctured is unequal according to present him that he was speaking at the alliances summit in lisbon where closer ties with moscow have been welcomed by leaders including president about. the national influence of american taxpayers' money is being used to hold political parties and opposition groups across the world to promote u.s.

interests monster under a flag opened spreading democracy that is slush fund loans money into a network of organizations that officially deny any political affiliation. and this interior of the death of the legendary brighton leo tolstoy is most of the world his philosophical ideas and what extension is annoying to peace and on a qur'an that remains a source of huge inspiration today. as the headlines up next the second part of our close up portrait of norman finkelstein the outspoken critic of a zero on the jurors son of a holocaust survivor. i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form but you did great with her media now as an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i thought i answered that well you're getting light is you know be in the media smarter to focus and house and karen and then if you know israeli cares i mean i

think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have their say no i'm saying things which deeply upset many people in the audience if they controlled themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their feelings and thoughts and complain about using the media to get this done i don't want to be i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels and no one in a copy of the ankle i need to speak you know said arthur fine is profiting from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his

parents to profit off and that's basically what it's like when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in a place where you. don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons from what she experienced she was always analyzing what happened she thought that you know in the tens you saw the secret of human nature. there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about know a woman whose boyfriend you know sarah leaves her and she said i'm not some violence my mother love this song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the

referring and the rest frame for her was the war so. players. believe. last night i spent seven hours several unpleasant hour just reading and rereading their paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is self used with press and hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference

are printed that such parts of this paper will not be included in them. dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth is often a bit ter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the united states because hamas won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized

a palestinian state within its internationally legal borders. if you are going on ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they said occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the core no the point is just like me with the vehicle in which you know very well this is a. decision with before buying fall to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion.

is what i'm the argument which i think as a certain amount of credibility as the argument that one of the this is so so are you going to go something like this house armed as a special meeting for a jew and ask for hope it will go in our interview for the point of view of the history of the jewish. palestine has a special resonance for the true issue. to imagine i'm sure stay in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the

jewish people who made no sense i'm bashing the jewish state and start made sense for his jewish. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of a new book it's called to be the case for israel intimate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and n.h. and reality and the israel palestine conflict now one thousand nine hundred eighty four one joan peters published a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraud without wanting to toot my own horn i'm largely recognized as the person who exposed the for what. i know that inside out i read it at least four times and i went through eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes. i started to read your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten foot

no the left and footnote twelve footnote thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters may or so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain on pages twenty three to twenty four i turn to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with with the ellipse ease is in the you know that is the twain quote randy a limp is the way to liberate france or a bit at the key of the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipsis in the same places it's been wife then read here really has stood mr dershowitz i don't what's your point is i got is that a correct that is finishing it's not a sure way i would ask you guys have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there are very clear it will never

plagiarism to quote marks exactly excepts not except that you cite mark twain and not shown peter's i'm a professor i know what plagiarism is. is each expression for my. mother means to a writer to use a month or two to the dust if there sure was this book made of course i wouldn't even use it as a schmuck to. read you maybe to challenge my positions he accused me of plagiarism his charge was that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally found. in. a woman named peter's book i had to cite

the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and check cited peter's a times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peters book the soon as he accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put bach the former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek bach came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism.

you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking a day with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul finkelstein it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz it began in the democracy now radio program several years ago when he alleged that dershowitz his book a case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not i don't want to campaign against legal students can you get all the president of all university has about the middle of this month to decide and it was dr finkelstein easer fessor to paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allows and by people like this be teaching our children in the class of us thanks for joining us i've got to start of file somewhere things that i know you're a ten year old. had you become too hot for american academia the american

association of university professors has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministrations. you know how to get rid of remember. me. now i think. now mind.

you mumblings. the flow university in may so we settled that this is the whole universe the state. today we are free to the resolution of our dispute with professor finkelstein. as a part of that resolution he has agreed to resign effective immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher the university thanks him thank you thank you thank the university thanks him for his contributions and his service.

i know a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein should have gotten tenure he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar he simply writes screeds the scandal was that paul university ever appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision of a to pull university and it was a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was going to he accuses dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect when to us what's to keep quiet then we

know all the kind of connections that dershowitz has a united states so why don't you tell it like ok this nasa learning also personally wouldn't have done anything right so poke what do you expect right i don't feel it was that he should downplay the issue of plagiarism i didn't think the first one in the news and wouldn't issue. there should it's a plagiarized here's a significant but significant is the material about the history of. it he did i thought he would put it in separate or just drop. thank. you. thank you.

my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit in dubai the bull war criminals whether it was colombia that sought out kissinger whether it was george howell which employed kirkpatrick or stands for which now has rumsfeld when you consider that professors in our best universities advocate torture and the order medic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's rules of etiquette. however rio the question is is by

comparison a meaningless sideshow or just a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs thank you. to the outside world the conflict in lebanon seemed to stop. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of them civilians of the map of web allies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that no one expects or. many of those who smile at them. because of the west since if it is the stakes it's just us but i.

welcome you and i ask that you take a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and lebanon. some of you might know that dr norman was born in new york city late to

a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. but our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres or the reincarnation of those stories in the streets today. we have a challenge and i had the challenges to be both principle and reasonable at the same all i've had and that it needs sound on reasonable you're going to lose the international community and that's that when they come out i don't think that's the way to win the struggle like that and that you're funny. or a bit of this very important that we have americans who want to assure that luck or the american people or i guess that but a syrian lights we know when the people knows anything.

on the site. there was. younger. that. was. the case i could have given a rather well record tork you know wrong live on struggle and smash those are innocent of the crap life. i don't believe in it and b. i think it's pointless. i did what i care which is pleased me intelligently about possibilities for change in the u.s. . but it's been tough you know there was one woman you know sort of rugby or both. a prayer of profound thing comes out from the simple person she was

lying in bed she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are you she's and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage i suppose. she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old you're twelve because i love palestine and i was twelve years old enough to the life. so i'm told it was just. it was a good learning you remember things right. after a go harbor. and after the shame not done robbie well by the odds and after the anger over them although there still remains the hope. and i know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say. about him

a second. but i think that represents the hope like a not better than hezbollah he must. sometimes i think i have an effect if it's a very good thing i know what i'm going to tell you and has inflicted and hezbollah a huge defeat as in fact and could be at a time just where you have to keep knocking them until they heard what i am and not and you also will doubt about i don't see how they reach their son and. yeah i would. let them get to get his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books involved in the israel palestine conflict. the month is out when you. visited lebanon meeting center scandal with various

political leaders and some a hezbollah leader there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick i remember three and uncomplicated question. look who's not in the same process as ball in a. position to lob missiles and all that as well like the third of the country and habitable. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like him and name of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is

no longer axiomatic yes. it's more more of a qualitatively more then the usual this can and

a birth in fields with the world. i see it as. radical is unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong but the inec where these are not radically. the world go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are is you choose to see the world. this is all rather quickly unfair. and it requires a radical change. in.

mr. kling. i think you.

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