arliss frankenstein's monster. we don't have the problem. every. effort is made on the palestinian or in the european side to negotiate in. to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear or will call the cowards song goes you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world. we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish culture happening and people gets so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail. for

the full story we've got it for. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. thanks for being with us this late sunday night in moscow and some of you of the week with me these are the top stories moscow takes parted missile defense shield of only if it's an equal partner that was one of the outcomes of the nato russia summit in lisbon which has been hailed as a fresh start in their relations. also headlining for us russian businessman victor boot denies charges of weapons smuggling intel it was in the courtroom in us after

he was hastily extradited from thailand don't choose. me and our team news crews detained in the us as they filmed a rally near a military training academy in ga. and two israeli soldiers get no jail for using the palestinian boys a human shield they forced the nine year old to check bags for bomb during the gaza two years ago. our programs continue next to the second part of our close up portrait of norman finkelstein the outspoken critic of israel and jewish son of holocaust survivors. i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form you did great the comedian now as an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i

could i answer that you know you're getting one is you know be in the media smart with a focus and house and karen and then if you know it's really charismatic i mean i think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have various say no i'm saying things which are deeply upset many people in the audience if they control themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their feelings and thoughts and complain about immediately get this done i don't want to be i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels and no one in a copy of the i need to speak you know said norman finkelstein is profiting from

the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off as if it was when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in the place where you have don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering right end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons. from what she experienced she was always analyzing what happened she thought that you know in the camps you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about oh one man whose

boyfriend you know dumps are a lead singer and she's. out some violence my mother love the song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the refrain and the rest frame for her was the war sorrow. players. during. the years. last night i spent several hours several unpleasant always reading and rereading their paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is suffused with

press and hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference are printed that such parts of this paper will not be included in them. dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth is often deter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the e.u. in the united states because i must won't recognize israel the logical question is

can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state within its internationally legal borders. who are you on a war on ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they say. occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the core no to the point yes i believe in the me in this you know very well this is a. decision with the full by fall of the necessity to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion.

is what i'm the argument which i think as a certain amount of credibility as the argument that one of the this is so so argument goes something like this house armed has a special meaning for jews that from a biblical narrative you of for your view of the history of the jewish. palestine has a special resonance for the insurer. to imagine i'd sure stay

in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the jewish people who made no sense i'm bashing a jew or stay out star made sense for his jewish. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of a new book it's called the case for israel intimate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and n.h. and reality and the israel palestine conflict now one thousand nine hundred eighty four one joan peters published a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraud without wanting to toot my own horn i'm widely recognized as the person who exposed the for what. i know that book inside out i read it at least four times

and i went through all eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes. i started to read your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten foot no the left and footnote twelve footnote thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters they are so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain pages twenty three to twenty four i turned to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with with the ellipse ease is in the eleventh is the twain quote romance philip is the way to liberate france or about that the key to the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipses in the same places it's been why then it really has stood mr dershowitz i don't what's your point is it that is

a correct that is finished that's not a sure way i want to ask you that i have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there is very clear is never plagiarism to quote mark twain exactly excepts not exactly a cite mark twain and not shown peters i'm a professor sir i know what plagiarism is. is each expression for my. mother means to turn around and use a month or two to do the dusting if there's was this book made of cloth i wouldn't even use it as a schmuck. in the read you made to challenge my positions of plagiarism his charge was that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally

found. in. a woman named peter's book i had to cite the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and fact cited peter's a times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peter's book soon as he accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put their pocket former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek bach came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism.

you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking today with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul finkelstein it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz it began in the democracy now radio program several years ago when he alleged that dershowitz his book a case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not a one campaign against illegal themes can you get a call the president of all university has about the middle of this month to decide and it was dr finkelstein easer festered to paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allows a bunch of people like this be changing our children in the class of us thanks for

joining us i got to start off by also with things that i know you're a ten year old. had you become too hot for american academia the american association of university professors has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministrations. you know how to get rid of my memory. when you. see me. now i think. now my. way.

you moan things. the flow university and myself reach a settlement this is the whole universe the state. today we have reached the resolution of our dispute with professor finkelstein. as a part of that resolution he has agreed to resign effective immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher the university thanks him thank you thank you thank you the university thanks him for his contributions and his service.

i know a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because the paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein should have got tenure he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar he simply writes screeds the scandal was that paul university ever appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision to deploy university and it was

a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was going to he has dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect but just what's to keep quiet did he know all the kind of connections the dershowitz has in the united states so why don't you tell it like ok that's not so owning also person wouldn't have done anything right so paul what do you expect right i don't feel it was that he should downplay that issue of plagiarism i didn't think the first one in the news and wouldn't issue the piece of shit it's a plagiarist piers it's not significant but significant is the material. of. it he did i thought he would put it in separate article just drop it. thank. you

thank you. in my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit in dubai the bull war criminals whether it was colombia that sought out kissinger whether it was george howell which employed kirkpatrick or stands for which now has rumsfeld when you consider that professors in our best universities advocate torture and the automatic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's

rules of etiquette. however rio the question is is by comparison a meaningless sideshow or just a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs thank you. to the outside world because if it did that wouldn't seem to stop. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of the civilians of the map of web allies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that no one expects or.

many of those who smile at them. because of the west since it was just the stakes of destruction of my. welcome you and ask that you take

a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and lebanon. some of you might know that dr norman was born in new york city lived to a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. but our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres at the reincarnation of those stories in the streets today. we have a challenge and i had the challenges to be both principle and reasonable at the same all i had and that didn't sound on reasonable you're going to lose the international community but that's i want to and i don't think that's the way to win this struggle like that and that you. are better at it is very important that we have americans who want to

sure that luck or the american people or i guess that by the syrian lights we know when the people knows anything. on the site. that. was. the case i could have given a rather well of course or can no longer live on struggle and smash those are innocent of the crap life that. i don't believe in and b. i think it's pointless. i did with i care which is pleased me intelligently about possibilities for change in the u.s. . but it's been tough you know there was one woman you know sort of rugby

how. a profound thing comes out from the simple person she was lying in bed she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are you she spoke and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage told me she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old she was you're twelve because i love palestine and i was twelve years old enough to the end of life. from twelve years of age and. it was a good learning you remember things like that. after and go barber. after the shame not done robbie won by the odds and after the anger about them although there still remains the hope. i'm not. and i

know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say while a man you. see it on the map. but i think that. represents the hope like a not better than hezbollah he must and sometimes i think. it's a very good thing and no i'm going to tell you and has inflicted and hezbollah a huge defeat as you might be at a time this where you have to keep knocking them into a while and that and you also told that about i don't see how they reach there so. yeah i would. let them get to get his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books involved in the palestine conflict.

and not the south when you. visited lebanon meeting source can do it for you with various political leaders and some i has been there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick i remember three and uncomplicated question. look who's not in the same class as bala. positions a lot of missiles and all that as well like the third of the country and it happened. he is not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like him and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's

legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic.

it's more more of a qualitatively more then the usual this content of proof in the fields with the world. i see it as. radical is unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong but the interact with these are radically. the more go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are you you choose to see the world. this is all radically unfair. and it requires a radical change. in.

thank. you.