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it's a nuclear weapon but the really interesting thing about this bed is that pale and essentially the start of about by referencing the arab leaders in the middle east feared a nuclear iran as well she wrote quote arab leaders in the region rightly fear a nuclear armed iran we suspected this before but now we know for sure because of leaked diplomatic cables hold out is sarah pailin davi about the wiki leaks documents you know that is so funny because i could have sworn the fairhaven wiki leaks earlier this month on facebook she described julia songe as an anti-american operative with blood on his hands now as we pointed out earlier to sarah palin of course a son she is not american he's australian so you can't really say he's anti-american but back to my point i do find it funny that sarah hates honest and regular eggs one day then she has absolutely no problem using the information that wiki leaks released to beef up her own op ed for usa today i think i'm going to
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call that a flip flop you can't have it both ways sarah and one more thing if you're going to call julian a songe a terrorist at least don't use his leaked us cables to make your case for another war and that's why sarah palin is tonight's told time when. now it attempts to figure out the real fall out from wiki leaks the cia has set up its own task force to look into the problem and they've named it the weekly leaks task force as in w t f as in what. you get the point and i'm not kidding that really is the acronym now the tax force is being led by the counter intelligence center and their objective is to determine how the release of classified information is going to affect america's international relationships the government claims that they're leaving this task to the cia because they've been unaffected by the leaks for the most part but i can't help but wonder how any u.s.
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government agency would be biased on this one besides there is plenty of leaks information for obeying of the cia is the topic of some of the cables not just as many perhaps as the state department but what about the cable calling out the cia for creating a shopping list compiling information for diplomats on all sorts of biographical levels from born officials what about the cia operations they were secretly going on in iraq they were also called out for a cia memo that was analyzing how to convince foreign populations to support the war in afghanistan and frankly you pride or remember most of these things because i guess they're boring leaks in comparison to some of the other really juicy gossip out there about foreign leaders ukrainian girlfriend vacation habits but the point of all that is does the cia or really need an entire task force to figure out the damage isn't it kind of obvious so our response to the cia wiki leaks task force is w t f. now according to probe publica
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the white house is preparing an executive order on indefinite detention it's going to provide a periodic review of evidence against dozens of prisoners held at guantanamo bay according to administration officials and this means of the order allows for the possibility the detainees from countries like yemen might be released if circumstances in the country change but it also establishes indefinite detention as a long term obama administration policy it makes it clear that the white house alone is going to manage this review process for those that it chooses to holds out a trial so we make of these developments will join me to discuss that as andrew process senior counsel and human rights watch is terrorism and counterterrorism program andrew thanks for coming back on the program while there are good and bad things here let's start with i guess we could say perhaps as a positive that at least there's going to be a review process going on does that mean that there has been no review process at all over the last years of the detainees that they're holding no it doesn't but
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you're right there is some review is a good thing more review is always better it's always better to give people an opportunity to have some sort of independent body look at whether or not they're being detained and what we understand this process is going to be for those detainees who've already gone federal court who litigated their detention and had a federal judge say if the government does in fact have the right to detain them this would give them another opportunity to go before some sort of administrative body and challenge their detention yet again and we also hear that perhaps some detainees. freshly from you know they mentioned again as an example might be able to go back if the circumstances in the country changes but what does that really mean i mean are we ever going to think that yemen is no longer a safe haven for terrorists in a safe place again that's a great question there are fifty seven detainees from yemen that the administration has cleared for release i said we don't need to detain them they are not so dangerous that we feel some need to detain them but the administration won't send them back because of the conditions in yemen it's just completely wrong if the
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administration. doesn't believe it has a reason to hold someone that person needs to be sent back to their home country immediately it's not it's not really the us is issue what the conditions are in yemen these people might be innocent they might have never committed an attack ever and have just been caught up in this this net that was cast early on now of course the most frustrating part of it is that the obama administration by signing this executive order they're still saying that they fully uphold the idea that some people need to be indefinitely day detained tough luck we're going to keep you forever and obama actually made a statement about this when he was asked about it a press conference today i want to listen to the clip there. of the fronts one of the toughest problems is what to do with people that we know are dangerous that we know are. having gauged in terrorist activity or proclaimed enemies of the united states but because of the manner in which they were originally captured the circumstances right after nine eleven in which they are interrogated
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it becomes difficult to try them whether in a article three court or in a. military commission. so he's essentially admitting here sorry because we captured you and then we tortured you all of which was illegal that's why i will never let you go well i think you've hit the nail exactly on the head how is it that we know that these people are dangerous is that because they were tortured and then allegedly confessed well facts the case there's no reason to believe that their so-called confessions are remotely reliable because people will say anything under torture so it is of course a great disappointment that the administration has committed to indefinitely detain people but obama said he was going to do this in may two thousand and nine when he declared that there was a so-called fifth category of detainees although this apparent executive order will do is a somewhat institutionalized review for those people well that's what i'm wondering is he did say this you know eighteen months ago so why did it take eighteen months to actually drop the language which apparently obama still hasn't even seen i don't
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. want to get for example you know as i said before i mean of course it depends what the executive order says more review is better than less review and if the administration really intends to hold people indefinitely it is important that some will continue to look at their cases and determine whether or not there is still reason to hold them of course the fact that they're being held at all in the first place is legal and shouldn't be the case but given that it is increased review can only be a good thing is there really a need for an executive order on this one i mean are they doing this to safeguard against something that the congress might decide we are we putting a little bit you know too much power into the hands of just the executive branch well i hope it's to avoid legislation because of congress gets involved in legislating in the review of indefinite detention there's a chance that it might expand beyond the legacy problem of the guantanamo detainees and perhaps a member of congress might think it appropriate to legislate indefinite detention for any alleged terrorist which would really be a very very dangerous path for this country to go down but this only matters for
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the obama administration is his executive order let's say that he loses out in two thousand and twelve or let's say that you know someone else comes in after obama's second term then all of this could be wiped off. completely that's right absolutely but i think that can be a good thing because certainly we hope by the time obama leaves office whether it's twenty well over whether it's further down the road that one tunnel will have been emptied the detainees would have been prosecuted or released by them i'm not certain that might be the case but but that is the goal and then the executive order could be rescinded because it would no longer be necessary do we have any details yet as to how many of those trials as they've called them they're going to be in the past we knew that there were fifty of them might these numbers grow under an executive order what else could we expect i think that they might i think the problem in particular is the yemenis there are so many detainees from yemen and at some point i think the administration might decide that it makes more sense to put them in the indefinite detention category rather than be released category if they never truly intend to release them now legally is there anything that can be done i
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mean anything they can to fight this executive order you know how many lawyers out there are still trying to say that holding people indefinitely is not legal well there are a lot of detainees who might not have litigated behaviorist case because they've been told by the administration that they will be released for those detainees they may now go back to court and they may try to get an order from a court saying there is no basis for their detention. now what about your in ization you know what is human rights watch doing here also to try to make sure that these people get some kind of justice well we certainly support the heaviest cases more importantly it would be better if the detainees did not need to go to court and litigate their cases you know our firm belief is that anyone who has committed a crime can be prosecuted in a federal court and if not they should be released to their home countries and we've certainly worked very hard to try to get that to happen but most importantly if that is not going to happen this concept of indefinite detention whether it's legislation or an executive order that needs to be limited just to those detainees who have ended up in guantanamo through no fault of the obama administration do you
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have a position when it comes to trying to attain a civilian trials versus these military commissions absolutely civilian trials work they have were. for for centuries and they have worked particularly in terrorism cases convicted hundreds of accused terrorist in the last few years whereas the military commissions of only convicted by the military commission of maybe challenge in years to come anyone convicted by a military commission might be released far sooner than people tried in federal court and it's a big mistake to pursue such important cases in an untested system in guantanamo i never some reason we see so many lawmakers supporting these military commissions as you said it's really shocking but this executive order definitely not new news as they mentioned it about eighteen months ago but i think it's still upsetting for a lot of people out there and it's definitely going to be a mark on obama's legacy andrew thanks so much for joining us here. now still to come tonight letters to santa this year children are asking for computers or video games their wishes are reminding us all about the tough economic conditions in the
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u.s. and fleeing the suburbs for decades why do americans are moving out of cities but the new census reports show that minorities are also choosing to live in the burbs and it's leading to a rise in anti immigrant sentiment so i misspeak was set free wessler from color lines magazine. but it actually mentioned here a little there it's of course and that's never a. moment short of the most costly. i think i would ever do. throughout the sludge but for
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all the good memories. so much so in the meantime. i'm just here trying to tell you. i was. i was ashamed that i had been. i was ashamed that i had been a hero why. i go away i'm a lot. more out there i think. that i was a good soldier. but most soldier on the other side and i think i'm just in the good .
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news today violence flared up. and these are the images and seeing from the streets and canada. today. we are just days away from christmas but the holidays here in the u.s. and around the world might not be so bright for many this year a telling sign of the difficult economic times is the change in the letters being written to santa claus that's right this year postal workers opening in processing the letters to santa say that they have noticed a significant change in tone from the years past the fontana the head elf in new york city's main post office and yes that is his title and how he wants to be called he told n.p.r. that they normally get letters asking for video games t.v.'s computers but this
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year is very very different kids are writing in asking for a job for their mommy or daddy they're asking for money to help pay the family's bills and one fifty one year old grandmother even wrote to santa asking for help so she could buy something for her grandchildren of the postal service in new york reads all the santa letters and through donations they usually send out gifts to some of those families in need for the post office says that this is the saddest group of letters they have ever received now they also mention that they're seeing a big decline and the number of volunteers who want to help with the program so this holiday season seems like a bust for a lot of people out there so let's hope the new year brings better economic news for everyone and that we see an end to those really really sad santa letters. now the u.s. military usually prides itself on being the best but before they can train to be the best they have to turn down some of america's not so brightest but apparently
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they're all are a lot of those not so bright ones out there a new report shows that nearly one fourth of the students who try to join the military fail its entrance exam and that certainly doesn't speak very highly of the education system here in the us does it the education trust report says the high school grads can't answer basic math science or reading questions and this news follows a report by the pentagon that said that seventy five percent of those aged seventeen to twenty four don't qualify for the military because they're physically unfit have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school so for now the lower edge of eligibility rate is not really that big of an issue but what happens when the economy improves what happens when people begin finding jobs again when they start passing over the military they'll probably have to drop some of the already low requirements and up the pay to attract more people willing to serve the country now the study shows very wide disparities in scores amongst white and minority students
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also not shocking if you think of the differences in our educational system based on socioeconomic status nearly forty percent of black students and thirty percent of hispanics didn't pass this test compared to sixteen percent of white students so this new study tells us a couple of things first our education system is broken especially for minority students second that the military is increasingly finding itself turning down americans for service to the fact that they can't pass basic requirements be they physical or mental so i just wonder how those a law makers that want us to stay in a perpetual state of war are going to deal with that one. well the census report was released yesterday and the media all me seems able to focus on the fact that texas just got four more congressional seats at this census will be bad news for obama and democrats but can we look beyond two thousand and twelve let's talk
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about how drastically populations and demographics have shifted in the last ten years in america immigrant communities are fanning out beyond metropolitan centers and in fact immigrant populations rose more than sixty percent and rural and suburban towns where prior to two thousand they made up less than five percent of the population some out there are wondering if this could be the reason the we're seeing so much anti immigrant sentiment as well or earlier i caught up with seth freed wessler from color lines magazine and i first asked him why it is that we're seeing this shift happening of immigrant populations leaving or bypassing cities and heading for the suburbs and rural areas. yeah i mean as as we've seen over the last decade the census is finding that immigrants are moving to places where previously population every bridge have been have been small and there's been a sixty percent growth of immigrant communities in places where previously there were fewer than that fewer than five percent of the population were immigrants and
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this is largely a result of the fact that that's where people are going for jobs people are going were going for jobs in the construction industry and in food service jobs and other service jobs that that's where. that's where the jobs are that's in large part because that's where growth is happening that's where population is growing more generally and and so immigrants are moving to those places and it's just shifting. it's following a shift in population in general in in the country and. the country is becoming more diverse but do you think that there is a direct correlation between you know more immigrant populations moving to the to the suburban areas and to some of the anti immigrant sentiment that we're seeing some of these strict immigration laws that we're seeing in states like arizona are florida. yeah i mean i think there's there's no doubt that there is a connection and the migration policy institute found recently that in the past
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decade in the purest period between the last census count and and this one of over one hundred towns and cities and counties passed really draconian kinds of anti immigration laws over fifty towns and cities passed laws that try to stop undocumented immigrants from getting jobs. about thirty past english only laws and so on and it's very clear that localities where immigrate immigrant populations are growing quickly are also places where there are efforts underway to pass. laws that crack down on immigrants and attempt to restrict immigration so there's absolutely a correlation there but one of the things that really of corn to note is that it's not the presence of immigrants per se that pushes towns and cities and communities to try to pass these these crazy kinds of tricks draconian
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laws it's not it's not that there is diversity it's not that there are immigrant immigrants in communities but rather that there's a fast growth of a population and so what that says is that diversity cursed say you know changing communities per se is not does not result necessarily and in a in a in a sort of. racist kind of populist backlash that we're seeing in places like arizona where laws are being passed it's not it's not diversity but rather that the speed at which that diversity is growing i think it's important to note that there are lots of places where. where populations have changed rapidly and these horrible immigration laws have not been passed where local communities and local governments have pushed pretty strongly against the passage of this kind of legislation and it's not an inevitable result of a change of religion but it it is corley well something that we're seeing with i mean you know i have to wonder because it seems like the speed with which these
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communities are growing is only going to start increasing you know if we look at some of the data that came out of this recent census shows that you know forty eight percent of the babies that were born in the u.s. over last year were babies of color and whatever that means to begin with but you know this is clearly something that's only going to continue if not speed up so what are people thinking when they pass these kinds of laws if they think that's going to you know reverse the hands of time or somehow slow them down. well i think you know i think some people do think that they can stop that that change that to happen in this country there's a check there's a changing there's a demographic ship to ship in the united states there are that the united states will soon be the majority people of color populations of of immigrants are growing and that's that's happening it's happening pretty quickly and and nothing's going to stop that i think there are people that think that we can use immigration enforcement tools we can deport people in huge numbers to try to stop those that
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that from from happening it's just it's just it's a little crazy to think that that's the case so you know i think that that there is there is a desire to stop the inevitable and but i also think that you know with with time people in places with rapidly changing populations will realize that. in in most every way immigration is is a boon to communities you know immigrant immigrants in general contribute to local economies you know as there are as shown by a film that was recently released called i'm ninety five hundred liberty which follow the story of a of a really draconian immigration law that was passed in prince william county virginia you know the control in county virginia try to pass this law it was a with looked a lot like arizona's s.b. ten seventy but years several years before arizona passed that law and and soon
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after the passage of the law latino's in that in that area started leaving resort to flee the area because it was such a. terrible place to live racial profiling increased in mass and that the communities in that county saw economic activity start to fall so you know there there are real measurable pragmatic reasons why communities. just. trying to restrict immigration trying to push immigrants. interest at all well not to mention the politicians are soon going to be realizing how dependent they are on these immigrant communities for votes you know at the moment we have recovered publicans are rejoicing over the census results because it seems like everything is turning more red texas just got more seeds but you know ten twenty years down the line we'll see how much that you know hispanic voting bloc which went so heavily for barack obama really starts perhaps helping the democrats in the future thank
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you so much for joining us. thanks so much for having. well before we go we still have our tweets of the day there's a new report out there that says that the number of teen births in the u.s. is doing climate in fact it's at a sixty year low and we all know that m.t.v. sixteen and pregnant reality show is getting some credit for helping drop this teen birth rate but what happens when all those pregnant teens dry up when they're around laughs what is m.t.v. going to do so that's what we're wondering what m.t.v. might tweet and we thought they'd say the following oh snap we might actually have to play music videos again with that people today are well that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in make me come back tomorrow stephen smith is going to be back and we're going to talk about some of the most outrageous stories of the entire year so you won't want to miss it also be joined by georgetown university professor christopher chambers to look back at this year in the media see what stories really caught our eye now in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of
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i. the democrats two republicans came together to approve my top national security priority for this session of congress to start for. this is the most significant arms control agreement in nearly two decades washington and moscow hailed a historic keep their cards treaty passing the final vote in the u.s. senate becoming a new symbol of trust between the two nations. are some differences between them remain with russia disappointed with us voting against a draft resolution condemning the increasing glorification of naziism.
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and there's only a small chance of catching the disease but there's great prejudice against it on t.v. is it's a russian and that because see our lack of understanding in the outside world makes even those security troops to stay. you know you're watching on t.v. when live from moscow welcome to the program the u.s. senate has finally approved a new start nuclear arms reduction treaty with russia after months of bitter and divisive wrangling on capitol hill the decision has been hailed by both washington and moscow as a huge positive step in boosting u.s. russian relations and in furthering well you could disarmament more on this we're joined now live from moscow by. i got a chicken who's in washington guy and. so the treaty has finally been approved by the u.s. .

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