out of the managements of course some of them we had to turn and just because it changed some essential point some central elements of the law but many amendments were really added to the law and so did it help to lawmakers correct you know when it's really helped and we added some institutions that we didn't live in the original intent to introduce some things from the practice of foreign police like the phone calls. when somebody is arrested it with a lewd and people a road but this that that and the rest of the person should have a right to make a phone call with it and of course not everybody should see even the arrested people it is right but i think our society has reached the point where well and arrested the person has a right to make a phone calls going to use of course this shouldn't get in the way off in solving the crime but still this provides another guarantee for he's right as he calls his friends and the mob put up with them that's that's what i said some people are

going to call and thugs but if we have sufficient reasons to believe that we're dealing with organized crime and this is where the phone call will be needed then of course we should stop that but if somebody calls his relatives his family they should be allowed to do so and you know on the lower myself and i have you know some experience of working in the cup in the prosecution service and i worked with the police and our colleagues really should retrain and learn what they knew but the approach is it's very easy to put a person in prison and then for seemed to admit his guilt with before. but eventually when you take this case to court it falls apart in cord let's go back to democracy and i'm not just referring to public discussions we are now discussing by the way a new law on education when we can but what i refer to is

a wider notion of democracy today democracy is not just representative democracy when you elect somebody to be in the parliament or to the local assembly . this is the fact that people have can express their opinion if you use electronic media but if you use the internet you know that often the more difficult for the public up piñon is formulated going on the internet in maybe a wrong way but it is war and beer and quite often people can speak their mind directly and i think to deal with each politician regardless of whether he's the president or. a local of his sample a man. he should of more than follow monitor or public opinion sometimes through electronic media through the internet so when we reach a certain level of. you know this kind of expedient of people expressing their will

we could even have electronic referendum. or electronic voting for. candidates. referendums public discussion of. these things always good say we're talking about a construction project. and when. we discuss it and publicly. you know that. russia which is i think russia is first in the world. the number of sacred places. the forest service are for so used to. you for for. take the next and they're often polluted if you take a meadow maybe pushkin had visited it and you can touch that as well where do we build where do we actually built new buildings i don't understand that if we

because if he discussed heavy construction process like that china is going to build its new facilities new roads and or we're going to have this discussion. do you see it as a risk that not. and as asian these might just remains in remain at the level of discussion just like her strike at it. european of our public is very low high queuing to tell her no i love them thank you but still back to the question. all right i want comment on that part of your question seriously though shifting i'd like to see the old in with the human public process is should not be destructive of the criminal and they should take place according to law if you're right about that but on the other hand you know our government officials here don't even carry but the public of being in they don't want to see we were listening to anything you mentioned some construction projects and i know that i can tell that you're

probably referring to the forest and similar situations all right these are examples when everybody from include starting from the government and do you local authorities could have been more attentive to you public opinion and they should have listened to public opinion from the beginning but it's not happening and the cattle situation ethic the decision that has been made now used quite balanced will listen to public opinion and we didn't stop the project on the other hand with the forest with it that it can be considered as one entity and even though specialists say that it's not just one forest it will actually increase because every tree that we can down will be replaced with five new trees so eventually the outcome was positive but what we had to use our authority i had to stop this construction project before it suspended for some time. so i want all our government officials

to find a way to you shuttle comes and we reach a compromise but that doesn't mean that our people should act irresponsibly during those public discussion because we know that some people. actually i'm taking money to stop some economic projects but it's the political and i can tell you frankly that some of the law enforcement officials came to me and told me that you know the thing is some people are asking. you know for money. so the abandon their new position this is a crime and those people should their records should be arrested but the most general i think that if the word is in. should learn how to work with each other that that's what happens throughout the world nobody likes when people interfere with their work but it will become other we need to learn to work together people

in other countries know how to do this and we should also learn to do the same. there's a saying that said the voice of the people is the voice of god but the names even though this the authority seems to have all the economic solutions and we're getting a raise in their pension age in any countries but any referendum on this would fail . so there are things that. the people can't understand they need because it is in some measures strictly unpopular. we should on which have referenda those matters that have to you we discussed through a referendum there are some measures which are quite unpopular you have to make this decision but you know that public opinion is against it but in this i do think in such cases you just need to explain your position to people explain to people

why you have to make this decision for example why you need to save this money but in any case i think that if we involve civil society more in discussing matters in our country this will help our him to tell a jury and traditions are so deep that it will be a long time before we are able to get treated them so i don't really think that we should say that public opinion gets in the way of development usable and why. but you said that the media modernization will share the fate of the various troika and will be just a little empty discussions and with muzzling nothing further oh well it may happen but the most important thing if people are willing to do this the most of what happened in the eighty's simply thirty's were saying one thing and what was happening at the bottom level. in real life was quite different the so if there is

this gap between what the authorities say what the parties decide and what is actually happening then modernization will fail and this would be very bad because the next one in a seizure started by other people will come at a greater price and it will start from male lower level and will have serious degradation of me from up with three you can especially and i think that's being discussed a lot this year as the construction of the office center. discussions were the most heated in st petersburg of course we took part in a lot of the which is still like us from. whose side are young. we are on the side of those who are against the construction and we've. met of not the present moments are going well i think the situation has has been resolved and assess his factory manner and what was your role and the making of the final decision on the

destruction project. well your question requires c frank cancer obviously you know i don't think i'm a great expert on architectural design and some of my predecessors were people who worked with poets with a work this poets or artist i don't want to use. the words that they used but i think when you deal with sing. again you know that because if this is our second capitalises a major seat is a major city and it's an important place we all decisions have to be that you very balanced and when you have a situation where people will meet people even cluing some distinguished citizens say that this will not look good when you start putting your thinking about it i'm not an expert in i didn't make this decision the decision was made by the municipal authorities first team issued it this construction project together with gazprom

and then they decided to shut it down or move it to another side this is. their compass but i had to say something ugh love in order to attract more attention to this problem if you are. so the these processes are more civilized before and the voices of people use heard and the president has a strong voice in such matters so we've noticed a new record to move from mr did of over this past year. a subject that's discussed a lot as the battle of corruption and red tape. i think you as. a lawyer you know you're familiar with the concept of legislate me and you have you lose explain what you mean look but here it is a claim that. just approving laws cannot. actually change

realities big existential situation. where you know practicing legislate me would be what do we have to do to get over this tradition of corruption in russia a reflection of them to feel the love that this subject is really important to me because i actually started talking about these things some time ago when i said that russia is very much affected by disregard to law and this started many centuries ago this is the way our society worked people did not believe in court and did not believe in justice did not believe in law what they delivered in was just a good czar and force sheer force of those and this is wrong and we should do everything to raise the reputation of lot of people should keep it

from the law not because they're afraid of in the but because it is indecent to break the law this is. one. that is what the system is based on in all civilized countries and in this case will be able to solve this problem and to look at that if i have as of now i have a strong medication against this bill's and i'm with him frankly you know he'll reach him it will take a long period of therapy you cannot have a surgery in this is a matter and you need to work you need to explain to people why it is right humans who you she and you will observe the law ways that low easier to observe it than to break it the industry and government officials should set an example of an appropriate behavior if people see that corruption through feeds the entire country and within that but whatever we say liza who will regard it is mere words because

people are just talking about this and at the same time extorting bribes and so this will also require the use of force what i mean when the people i'm talking about the use of force by the state by the government in the remote good deal less years we had a lot of cases sort of believed in the against corruption but this year about one hundred thousand people i think this figure is from september of one thousand people were imprisoned for bribery. the seventeen handwringing people were imprisoned for offering a bribe time and quite often it is more difficult that you catch a person who takes bribes so approximately two hundred cases were law enforcement officer is fair but i mean police prosecution service everybody with a lot that you work well with and i think even at eighteen judges even though the judicial community's very closed in the judges we have immunity in the media but

still people who for the record there are cases launched even against judges that will be and this is very important because you and because there are three thousand criminal cases and rational in which many people will be present and this means a lot of course mature people are not always encouraged by such are not are not discouraged by decides examples that people say all right i can in the killing spend two years in jail but at least my children will have the enough money but it will so we need some kind of amendments to law like i suggested but if we're serious fines for bribery in some cases. people fine is one hundred times greater than the bride. so if it is a continuum say three million or one hundred thousand or this is really lauding

borger mr zone or do you think it greed is strong and here are monumental who will possibly this is right in some cases because people think about it in the form of their money their financial situation this is obvious if it's one thing when you get caught in you spend a month in a chill and then they let you go but you find that there is a final and the your property will be arrested or confiscated this is serious you'll need paying this fine. for the rest of your life. continuing about corruption the most dramatic event of this year was the events had to. zero. in with. russia as we know we've seen many occasions this year for months in russian and in russia where our citizens are . stuck between officials on one side and gangs are going to crime on the other

side so there are structures structures who pressurize are citizens because after the show square there was destroying. the arrest of the mayor and girls how do we fight that. this is a very important subject and i'm grateful to you for raising it and we all remember what happened in the ninety's at that time i didn't work for the government there would be i was just living in sin petersburg and many of us at the time had the impression that up there at the federal level for quite often all sorts of people work including criminals in uganda they penetrated the state duma we're going to end other government bodies i think that over the past two years you know we made very good progress in getting rid of more women else in the community in government bodies and we were able to exclude. us

at the federal level and at the regional level but that the municipal level. at the local level many people use a very different code. for their conduct and we really need a purge i've course i don't mean the way it happened in the one nine hundred thirty s. but we need to exclude those people when they finish but if we feel from his life if they often are members of our ruling party if. this doesn't mean that the party should be turned a blind eye to that effect no look at these people should be exposed and expunged from their party and from the authority of the problem on the list so again this is the responsibility of local and regional authorities you know when i started dealing with the situation. from what i feel if i was amazed brooke of what the situation was very fuzzy and we didn't know anything we didn't

hear anything and people would say or we said something but nobody listened to us law enforcement agencies would launch an investigation and then stop and when i heard you newspapers reported it and nothing happened that's why even the governor would even governors themselves asked me if you shouldn't really pass a new law if they'd like to well that you think we'll make it impossible for us to see that weariness since we didn't know or bugged the situation or we warned them about it we warned police but they didn't do anything look so you cannot really blame us well and now they will all get together once a month and. listen to one another and it will be all recorded if i think some suspect that there is a gang of poor king was shot or somewhere else then we should take measures and if

you don't respond if you don't take the measures then we will just fire all those who didn't or couldn't respond to the problem because if you turned a blind eye see what because you. to you we arrive when you will be present when but in addition to problems with gang simply shows we should also deal in a look at the situation with the law enforcement officers who work there it is quite obvious that they were not just near-sighted this is corruption and corruption there was systemic and it will have to deal with this. mr president i recall you talking quite extensively about the utilities sector problem so i won't ask you about that in our. ask you about the case of color cost instead. of you know the case of how the cost to reminds me of the picture of dorian gray and as applied to the

russian business every businessman who does what is accused of but he is the one taking the blame and his associate let me give his well to. do you think. our court systems might be too harsh on these people. as a lawyer and as a person what do you think about that we will first let me see what i think of it as a president. as president i think the following neither the president nor any other government official. with this not have a right to you to pick up who will speak about his or her position on this case or on the any other case before. you know that. gives its reject. this is quite obvious as for my position as

a lawyer but not on this case still important to emphasize but in general on the situation you know that instills in the lawyers operating with what is possible that you and so do law enforcers so if you can prove anything that there are other people who did similar things the above then where is this evidence and where are those cases those investigations but if the police if there are similar crimes you people should be held responsible for them look like that with this report and already the solar ready happened on one episode so i'm talking about the current. the current will still be here but trial so if we do you have this evidence we should look at it and we need to know who she got and i should look at it or the prosecutor general you know which would be a more appropriate person who would be a more appropriate person to deal with and this so if there is evidence that

something major anything the national businessmen solution would like you the police the police committed certain crimes. he would. look at that is when you and if there is no progress then you're right then we are selective in our justice but so far i don't have anything on my table only even though i'm not the prosecutor in this and you know i'm the president looking at what i can instruct the prosecutor and to look at the cover to say that in some fields ok i'm talking about the evidence no it's for everything else is easier just speculations but on the it is obvious that in the any country in any society not all criminals are in prison not all of them are brought to justice it's all the matter of evidence brink meet the evidence and we'll work with it. and work your group on this material from moscow or you paul of russia's large said you know you've. seen. people get killed some

time now to go where they can but in this you know when you see reports about this on television and what are the internet do you ever get through the incentive to without trying not to quit in the city but if that's a couple of little. of course i did think about it and actually some bills that are currently considered in the state duma worry me she did by me i think a year ago i started thinking about that and i instructed that with the shoes of the minister of the interior to prepare a bill and now this bill is in the state duma this bill will limit the use of your against another traumatically weapons in the world they will be. weighted but with firearms to a greater degree because it's so obvious when those guns are used to close range they can be lethal with you bill so in these sense. regulations for air against should be the same as for all firearms if we can but the most

possibly we need to ban them altogether we need to consider the situation and if you look at the situation with the crime at the moment even though it's really going to some of these cases are high prof law still the majority of crimes are committed with firearms knives and putting in that you do other weapons but with a good. we just have this separate category now person can put in a little eerie gun in his pocket. and here too he feels like a cowboy this is no longer a defense a weapon this is enough fence a weapon with a weapon he used to threaten others with well of course this is all a matter of a culture it and legislation will soon make a decision if this will not be sufficient or will ban arrogance altogether if you are because the danger is that a person feels like a cowboy on the other hand on the one hand on the on the other hand he knows it

won't be lethal yes you are right there is this psychological effect that's why we say that we should have training courses that a person who uses a near gun has to go through this is a real gap and this is not just something you can boast off you look what a nice going to have some even you know even sometimes the little import for a new year again so we will have to deal with this immediate on the just because you follow the ball all the crimes that would cause a public reaction. but i have to do that so i will and do you sometimes feel like the law an important agencies are battling each other like the investigation committee sometimes conflicts with the prosecutor's office or the prosecutor's office complex where the foley nice and all of this creates. a fueling of fuzziness of approach in people watching all of this this whole situation in the

middle. well let me tell you this you know there are all kinds of situations that's why you have various but i. gaijin says in major country it's not just one the reason you have different law enforcement agency is is because they should be part of them but you know the little guy actually watching one another this is competition and this is only natural that can on their own but of course it all should be illegal and that's why the prosecution service for his should. monitor it the best a geisha. and we know that a little investigators are now separate from prosecutors but with that only on the other hand of war it's for people to hear if this results in service war is in michigan finding a kind of

a good compromising materials about each other of the competition when people say we've made this decision rearrested this person and they let him go they released him when we should punish them for that. little thing and i think that we i hope that some law enforcement officers will of the hear what i'm saying. you should be tactful in dealing with your colleagues were pretty but in addition to you what is happening within the law enforcement system that would like to see a few words about the media but i want you to talk between yourselves i'd like to ask you a question you know this is another high profile case i have been following the situation in the media on the internet along with the recently of this and there was a number of accusations concerning electronic media that there are actual censoring information and they don't know the truth they have special. decisions

concerning walk to air and what not to air because i think it. even though our television is wonderful it's really fun to watch. television news are very shallow and there is no freedom of press you have something to say on this issue. yes we will certainly do the question of freedom is what i would call it quite intimate if you ask a person whether his free as the same as asking him whether he is happy. with his happy love freedom is a personal feeling and. anyone who's working in the media as an individual can answer this question as a media professional i can tell you that i've always been free. when i. worked in the media. on the radio is love.