bassa there's a diplomat's without knowing about it we could buy it when we know we're able to put questions and so on and i think there is a very very important event and a very profound one and very relevant to democracy and oversee the opposition to wiki leaks is saying that it puts the soldiers and those who are collaborating with the u.s. and british on race in afghanistan in danger what do you think about that well i think the question is why should we be it afghanistan or iraq and that's the question everybody has to answer somebody with a story about a young person an old man said to him oh you would student politics and the boy said no and so the old man said we're take an interest in politics before politics takes an interest in you and they are going to send you to afghanistan so i think debates about policy are absolutely right tony bennett thank you very much i.

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hello again the welcome to spotlight the interview show on our tape alvin of and today my guest on the show is a but i him body. on the ninth of january the people of southern sudan are expected to vote on the future of the region at a referendum since that has gained independence fifty years ago it has been torn apart by ethnic and religious conflicts that you regions of the country darfur and southern sudan are the biggest headache for the government these days while the violence is still raging in darfur southern sudan is making an attempt to find a peaceful solution but will this referendum bring peace to the region who lost it but i am gun body joint special representative of the african union and un mission

in darfur. the ethnic conflict in darfur has left hundreds of thousands dead millions of victims were forced to flee to neighboring countries but another regional government and the local people seem to have come to terms with their future self and sudan is going to hold a referendum it will decide what the region agreed to be a part of sudan and become an independent state a positive result could give added impetus to. succession plans by mr sudan and darfur and in other countries like nigeria and south. how mr gambari and welcomes the shells small pleasure to be on thank you very much thank you very much for coming well the referendum on january ninth in southern sudan well the people are expected. to come to the polls and

make their their valves do you believe that it will pass peacefully then that everything will be according to the law the sofa will say so good my responsibilities. limited to a therefore of course vote my colleague from carriers is in charge of helping the parties to implement the comprehensive peace agreement c.p.a. or we did referendum is key nonetheless in a very supportive way you know media walks with. my sister organization armies to sure that all the logistics support needed for the registration which is has been concluded including in about sixteen centers in therefore where about one hundred fifty thousand people registered out of a possible voters of three hundred thousand when very peacefully. if that's an indication of the rest of of southern sudan and the rest of the of the country

so far so good well let's take a look at the history of this conflict in sudan then reported by spotlights you know in the demeanor of. the sudanese civil war has been described as one of the longest lasting and deadliest was of kuwait twenty same cheree it went on for twenty one years and could only run two million lives the war between the muslim north and how much of a constraint. saul's ended two thousand and five peace deal peace between southern and northern sudan has always been volatile when sudan was a british colony the two provinces were administered separately after decolonized ation the two areas were integrated and the arab new with received most power which led to one arrest in the south since then the history of sudan has been that of endless insurgences what adds fuel to the conflict is that the noose wants to

dominate the south which is reaching resources including the oil the two thousand and five comprehensive peace agreement has given the south to me for six years and the promise of a referendum on society the time for the referendum is approaching the southern sudanese will vote on very little. mr mr gambari is there still a possibility to maintain the unity of the country will will a federal state be created ever so that well they compress the peace agreement actually provided for it time between when it was signed and the referendum on january the night two during which time to make unity attractive and vote the government in the north and the government are satisfied there were to walk to make unity attractive but they opted for was always there for the people to exercise

their right of self-determination to choose whether to remain part of a united sudan or to go their separate ways i think. we'll find out of course after the friend on what is the choice of the people but the good thing is board the government of sudan and our side is today and most of the african countries and those by the united nations have said we must all respect sept and respect the decision that will be made as a result of the referendum but to make the year. to attractive after the referendum both sides have to agree on such issues as the future of oil sharing assets liability security international agreements border there are occasions citizenship and water who will maybe in the resolution of these of these issues right now the african union has set up a panel high level panel led by a prison break into former president of south africa to war with the parties even

before the referendum many of the issues to which you refer are actually meant to have been resolved before that a friend of but. several including a big which you did not which was the mission very contentious issues but. i believe the parties will need. others to walk them through this outstanding oppose the referendum issues which are very common including the status of southern sudanese who be in the north and in other sudanese who will be in this up but you clearly issues the people of south sudan of separation but what is clear is that they all remain sudanese who are linked by history by tradition. and geographically to be next to one another and as they say you can choose your friends but of where you cannot always choose your neighbors in international relations well here's how president dmitry medvedev described russia's attitude to

the referendum in southern sudan. it is my firm conviction that no matter what this referendums result is it will not only determine the future of southern sudan its people but will also have a substantial influence on the general political situation in the region i hope that the referendum will produce a result which will make it possible to establish the conditions necessary for continuing the post conflict settlement process and ensuring sudan sustainable development. is there a risk that in order to prevent the session our southern sudan had to could withdraw from the two thousand and five comprehensive peace agreement now how would the african union and the un react in this case i sincerely doubt that that is likely i think both sides of committed to implementing the c.p.a. the compressive peace agreement the african union have come in support of the implementation of united nations particularly secular and it's

a banking one has made it a prouty of his administration to help the parties to a sure a that the reverend goes well and also that the outcome is reflected by the international community so i think the international community should look. beyond the referendum and try to help the parties. address a lot of the issues that will still remain even after a disease jews in one way or the other is there a possibility that certain sudan can declare independence unilaterally and if this happens mate lead to a military conflict like we witnessed say between ethiopia and eritrea i doubt it again i doubt it very strongly because there is at this point and as i said i'm not really principle irresponsible for the implementation of the c.p.a. but for what i can see because in darfur that there is not that likelihood because

if you look at the enthusiasm with which the people of south sudan have registered for the vote. the interest of the huge numbers and even in the north of sudan where the turnout is not as high i think people wanted a friend on today please they want to exercise their right to vote and to exercise their right of self-determination. the independence of southern sudan may lead to a necessity to review the. a grievance on the status of no child is this is pretty dangerous to start reviewing these agreements. once again this is not an issue which is principle irresponsible but i think denial is of such critical importance to all the neighboring countries that i would defer to their judgment as to how best to do to proceed but i have seen that air force base by egypt by its

your peer by uganda to ensure that the waters of denial is truly something for the benefit of all the people you know you know the you know the point of view of your colleagues are probably titian's another african countries there are similar maybe not great but similar problems that in many regions of africa do you think that the neighbors and and other countries on the continent are afraid to see a precedent happen in sudan that can perhaps be a precedent for the for the separatists in their countries believe that that is saw however in ninety six for the heads of states i mean of the african leaders in cairo reached a decision that i thought is very wise and has been held up which is to say that the clue nearly heritage boundaries however to physiognomy be separate in people who want to be united and offer uniting people who perhaps would be better if they were separated does do but boundaries should be respected and if there should be

any change then it should be by mutual consent only one country is european eritrea has actually gone. outside of that parameter so clearly the african leaders recognize this problem in many ways in many countries in africa have a southern sudan possibility. but nonetheless the african union which is the successor to the organization of african unity have said let's abide by the united sixty four declaration and try to address. probably so that this is not a option says. joint special representative of the african union and the u.n. mission will. be back shortly stay with us. dr

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a mission in data for. missing about it what the does the international community and mostly the african union do for the refugees from southern sudan is there a chance that they will be able to return to the house anytime soon will the refugees mostly. dead would be up by the united nations high commissioner for refugees and of course the africa you know supports them one is open and that the outcome of that of rendering will not lead to a massive movement in either direction and therefore there's been some contingency planning on the part of the united nations board united nations mission sudan which is committed to do in helping the implementation of the c.p.a. and the referendum and also you know meet with the or not to lead which is of course concerned with for. continuous planning on how to address that as we heard

earlier on the show today russian president shows special interest in the situation in sudan and he hears all represent special envoy to sudan mr mr margelov and he was a guest on the show and spotlight is what he said i quote there is a liaison between the dar for rebels and the authorities of southern sudan and who out what consequence will the in the tens of sudden sudan have for the situation in darfur equal complicated but they are the same time is a call also. be resolve some of the issues that is the equivalent of history of course we want a peaceful relationship between the fall and southern sudan whatever the decision may be as a result of the referendum because as you know right now there. in southern darfur they have there are some bunder issues which are sudden there for southern sudan now suddenly they're to become independent then this will become international

borders so the problem will be accessibility secondly as many of the opposition group in for seem to be moving towards. jim is believed to be there as early minimum now we believe not only believe he said this and in juba right now there is. a conflict between the government forces and that of s.l.e. we who is in juba so there is the the danger that. the spillover effect of the the outcome of the of the referendum who have negative consequences for for what we are working on this we are talking to all the leaders of the movement talking to the authorities in khartoum to really make this in win win situation well your predecessor mr dowd became pretty

unpopular in western governments and western capitals by the end of this term after he said the following the constant and therefore is over and degraded to low intensity violence what's your point of view is a cover that over of it's not over but it was a right in that up to the first six months of this year more people getting killed as a result of criminal activities as a result of tribal into arab conflicts in therefore than the open confrontation warfare between the government of sudan and the our movement but six months the second part of this year with the luxury of the. conflict between the government of sudan forces and that of jim the u.s. is an equal quality. movement led by a leader brand and opportunistically joined by hazily abdul wahid and now with the direct confrontation between the government forces and those of you used to be

aligned the government clearly more people are now dying from this conflict than than previously so i cannot see that the conflict is is over years ago by the south african president mr tabb mbeki he drew a report by african union panel on darfur and in this report he wrote i quote once again on the key dimensions of justice and reconciliation and security and the peace and political process progress has been less than i had hoped what is the biggest failure and therefore what would you say i think the biggest failure is really of the biggest challenge is lack of trust and confidence between the government of sudan and not only the armed movements but also the internally

displaced persons and the and the refugees saw there is the need to rebuild trust and confidence there is the need to address the root causes of the conflict in there for which is about power sharing about wealth sharing about land about composition and about about justice and the end to impunity. earlier this month in the tack a military attack. on the part of the sudanese government that there are full rebels in there for us prompted you to demolish the government well what was hard to miss reaction when they listened because what i did but they didn't listen but because we have two primary monday's you know me first protection of the civilian population and the facilitation of the delivery of humanitarian assistance. to those in need so windy as conflict over fees restrictions by the government and often by the arm movement themselves which prevents us from.

delivering on on our common is all we have to demolish the government but i dissent and also demand or do swaps of structuring the free movement of our patrols and. undermining our ability to fully deliver on our common good or protection for civilian populations and of course delivery of humanitarian assistance ok well speaking about speaking about the african union peacekeeping missions does it lose lots of soldiers itself from determining how many have you lost the time of images that is africa mission sudan which was exclusively a clue civilly african union mission to the time that i speak nigeria which is the biggest to contradict and as those twenty seven soldiers who wonder which is the next biggest contributor has lost seventeen. killed so really quite quite a number to too many because this peacekeepers and we keep mission in their attack on international peacekeepers is a war crime is is

a violation of international law and so we have probably investigated and those who are as possible need to be punished ok investigations the most important aspect i think of mr make his recommendations and therefore was this terrible shipment of brit court consisting of sudanese and foreign judges to try to the the dera for work crime suspects which international body can help implement this proposal of mr mbeki first of all the proposal to be accepted fully by the government of sudan adding i don't think so and that there's a lot of discussion as to what should be the composition of this court how will this be integrated with the laws of the land of sudan so there's still as he has said in their. the report to which you referred that this is an area which is reported to the african union meeting the peace and security council meets in tripoli

a few weeks ago that has really achieved less result than you would have wished so there's still a lot of work that needs to be done for the agreement by the government then by all the other stakeholders and they will come to the issue of who are best able to support that is but the need is there to create a body in which all the major stakeholders of the four will have confidence because when for good people have left their homes one point eight million one point nine million internally displaced and to go back they need to have a sense of security but also a sense of justice the information coming from her to makes me as person mistake as you are because you see well for example the president has said and bashir he rejected the idea of mr mbeki saying the following we have an independent judiciary and the judicial institution has the final say in forming any courts inside the sudanese borders do you personally believe in the independence and

efficiency of the sudanese judiciary is really not for me to express what i believe is of the people of therefore i dove sudan and that's where i've needed another person mystical an optimist but the reality is to suggest that it is up to the people of sudan particularly of the four where there's been a conflict in two thousand and four two thousand and five and if you want to have the one point eight million internally displaced not to mention refugees to return to their home then you have to have side in conditions including security but he says that impunity will not continue and the system of justice will be there that enjoys their coverage so i would suggest there's a lot of work that needs to be done to convince. the. and. of course the authorities to move in the direction of a system whatever it is in which everybody would have confidential let's get back to the politics on the continent do you think that hard to now may may may risk

losing the support of african nations. i i don't i wouldn't group that conclusion now because it would but there is a risk as there for there is there's always there's always a risk but but the african leaders they have set up this african level where you have a panel of three former heads of state prison because the chairman presumably you're of the president of salaam abubaker of nigeria and they are working very closely with the authorities in khartoum to actually minimize those risks and so there has been. a member of the african you doing good standing from the point of view of the african union has tremendous opportunity to talk to and listen to the wise words of their colleagues in the african union well thank you thank you very much for being with us and just to remind that my guest on the show today was it but i have got a body joint special representative of the african union and human mission in dar

food and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say and spotlight where someone in mind who you think i should enter the next time you drop me a line at albert enough at r.t. t.v. dot our year and let's keep spotlight interact movie that with more first hand comment on what's going on in and outside this country until then stay on r.t. and take care thank you dave.