all right i don't know i think i would have to in just a minute how to jump in here and i'm sure all of you will be on the program later that this year many thanks to my guest today in new york boston and london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk was. sergeant of the israeli defense forces. during his service scorched a street fight. from a colonel in the chilean armed forces participated in keeping down a military revolt. coming.

the sergeant of the us army. trying to become an american by getting pardon the. franks and reasons differ but one thing brings them together once they disobey. they faced it this is not a provocation but war and. a force it should be several you should it's a pretty tree they have no idea about the hardships to face. one it's. all too nice and for any army the life of the usaf is the most precious thing in the world. use of self-sacrifice and heroism to understand it fully but you have to live a. real life stories from world will too.

nineteen forty five don't. color again this is the headlines. europe's asylum policies under fire the latest spike in a read so the suspected terror plots triggers accusations that clocks tracks provide terrorist with a fast track to the current. also winter white heavy snow falls on strong winds calls new power counts in the moscow region as emergency teams work around the clock trying to restore electricity just bundles of. celebrating

breakouts will divide off the american marriages end in divorce tell you was celebrating freedom good fun and even prosperous. plus they lost her tourist returns to the public uprising as the benghazi helps reveal the treasures hidden by war and conflict. as the headlines up next to stories of soldiers and officers who chose coltrane's over all of the orders on the prize they paid for the decision and the second part of our special report it's. a our. i. don't worry book because you know this. roup of generals had planned a coup d'etat you know i wasn't in on the cool i was not contaminated by the desire

to overthrow the government. or you. want to put you at about eight thirty am. i received a memo from the division commander. ordering me to take control of the region of delta and to rest a governor and members of the regional government. i gather my officers and told them what i thought about the whole thing. going to be bits of me until i gave them a short verbal order maintain calm an order do not change the system. and respect the life of all citizens. on september eleventh. i was mayor of the city of tulka and we see that the. we don't my name is

a coup and foresee. and i was a member of the communist party but that day the party had decided. that about ten thirty am. i would go to the military barracks to speak with. find out exactly what's going on. to assess the situation. i think i must be the only communist mayor in the country who went into military barracks on september eleventh spoke with the military commander that expressed reservations about the events of the day. down of their free to carry out my duties as mayor. but think on it if i spoke to this man if i agreed to see him it's because he was a chilean citizen a man who had been elected mayor of talca by the population he had that title i

could not despise and that's why i treated him like i did. i am alive today because. when i. was the military commander. otherwise impossible i forget it. i was among the first on the list of people to be eliminated. by the put use. to them for two thousand and. number one million singles later three years running to drive the new lease on titan ninety six has the news conference good morning to a good morning text on an american soldier who went a while rather than fight what he calls and oil driven war in iraq faces a current martial at fort stewart today and his trial is attracting international media attention spanish and canadian television crews joined local news teams to

report he faces up to a year in prison for desertion if convicted. it was holmes. today it is the first day of the trial in the court martial of staff sergeant will be used charged with one specification of violation of article eighty five of the uniform code of military justice you see m.j. desertion. i will introduce mr ramsey clark as you all know by now as a former attorney general united states in the sixty's certainly the johnson ministrations you just have to go be leading the defense on the issue of whether

the international law defense is that we want to offer should be admitted in this case is that this is a or the most important issues in this case. are coming down to the station. no. because it should such great importance. to our country tend to peace. in iraq you have soldiers accused of violating international law. the geneva convention. and for that matter domestic law course you can brutalize people under any circumstances under a new law. here you have a soldier. who served in iraq. you to squad leader. his squad was cleared in. two abuses that were violations of international law. you know they were they were

stationed out at the international airport. and you were handing detainees but what conduit is three cian your men who had no dinner and have. only code names and they do the actual interrogation. but they order. these young soldiers around on how you handle the detainees when the actual interrogation isn't going on. and they were ordered to deprive them of sleep. forty eight hours. keep them blindfolded. jerk them around make them stand make noise. take your weapon to defuse may shoot the person right in the head at that time. he thought he had a duty to stay out of that. activity. and violation of international

law. that's what you want to soldiers to do. take more if you want to be a democratic society than to find obedience to authority. you see that in order is illegal and you're being ordered to commit a crime don't do it. yet they make the prosecution fears that a light sentence or make will encourage other immigrant soldiers to desert the defense argues. had the right to obey his own conscience if you other than orders from his commanding officer a ten person jury will hear testimony tomorrow from fort stewart georgia. univision .

one of the soldiers who have been in my swan. told his mother. mom i don't feel like my life belongs to me. why do you ignore me so much of the soldier said that he did because i failed the same way when i was there. because we were told to go on missions that we knew were not for the benefit of anyone other than the officers who were given such orders to go into such missions because we knew that there were officers there were pretty much instigating fire fighting creating social distress because they had gone through so many years to have gone through the entire military careers without

having any time some experience and in order for them to have the experience the background they need to get their promotions and to make this one general perhaps i mean this combat experience. is very helpful. they don't really care who you are all they care about is that we go there and we get into firefights so they can get their medals so they can get their promotion so they can get their purple hearts. a little built.

into said yep and then you ask yourself why did all this happen you know why did all these people die. why did i allow myself to be put in a situation where i have to kill in order to survive. that will chip in bush more in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight there was no

palestinian national authority in libya cities had their own town councils knew at the time that the palestinians could govern themselves to a certain extent. that issue fifty one day. israel expelled the mayor of his brother. and the mayor of algeria to jordan. we must feel that the next day we were sent to patrol the city of heber. before but there was a huge demonstration to protest the expulsion of the two mayors and that would mean there were a lot of protesters they were throwing stones at every government installation they saw whether military or civilian three. women shelled and then the government issued the order to open fire on the demonstrators. in we look for that if

i said no i can't open find a lawyer i didn't have the capacity to break up the demonstration the goodlatte had no tear gas is no shield it's no rubber bullet. it's with the you had nothing at all i said i'm a soldier a fighter. i fire my weapon it's to kill me with someone asked me are you refusing to obey an order shoot she i said yes i refuse because this order goes against my principles. no one can force me to kill if i don't want to do it i don't want to be a war criminal. he was doing this if so i was reprimanded and demoted.

if. one sunday i was in the government building if you wanted it and i received a phone call from the second in command we go on he said commander gen i really annoys here to say oh. that will because i told him i would be right there and immediately went to the barrel of a mean. in a moment thinking it will be when i came in the room because i saw a general in combat uniform butterwick in our glass of whiskey in one hand. and a machine gun on the other hand when you introduced myself and said general there is nothing to report in the area yes me what does that mean nothing to report on it how many political prisoners how many detainees are there. but also i

insisted nothing to report in general. but commander don't you know we are at war he asked me. i couldn't help myself and i said both of them did he want war are you talking about generally case well i mean i know it's possible to declare war against neighboring countries or scene but not against our own countrymen. went in with. very well he said you're dismissed wait in the next room but it may be then midwest most senior officers in my unit and with his staff. and then he informed me that the military junk i had decided that i should report to army headquarters and relinquish my command and get wind of him to get him.

before i was court martialed and accused of dereliction of military duty to me to get in dereliction of military duty immediately. to me that i was sentenced to five years in prison because. i went to prison but endured persecution slander threats of execution it was you know me and spent seventeen years in exile.

we're going to have to start here let me just professor jules folke l l o l is a full professor of international law at university it's for he's also the vice president of the center for us to show right king always gets forgotten here midnight exhausted letters of the judges not the five years i want to just start this fall when he would testify that's. the underlying issue this case is really whether the united states government will comply with its

international obligations treaty obligations and international law. and they are for i would have testified that five men in his absence from his unit was authorized under international under the treaties which we have signed and under the president which we are so selfish as the world. at the nuremberg tribunals which the united states government was the chief prosecutor of decided that a soldier or a command or citizen has obligations under international law then are higher than their duty to obey the best aquash superior orders even. can not be considered in mitigation where crimes as shocking and extensive has been committed consciously ruthlessly and without a military excuse or justification. and that set the basic

precedent that a soldier what this obey. an order that is the legal. and it would have been much better in the prison systems in iraq if more soul. it's had disobeyed it would have been better for our whole international image and our whole foreign policy and it's in the military's interest to promulgated such a rule even though most military people would say this has to be the key thing but this point at what cost if the cost is committing war crimes and discipline has to give way to the broader principle that military should operate on the wall.

goodmorning everyone of us free so you're here in the ws newsroom is attorney says a good squad leader who took care of his men but the government says he left them behind when they needed in the most those are the opening arguments in the court martial of florida national guard soldier kamila may feel he is accused of deserving is unit well on a two week furlough from iraq last fall if convicted he faces a year in prison and a dishonorable discharge. and. the military court has reached a decision. very serene.

he says he stands by his action it's. the latest news from fort stewart georgia. three to seven. using. a army specialist jeremy sivits was the first soldier to be charged and is expected to plead guilty to taking pictures of the abuse as part of his deal with prosecutors he would testify against the other

soldiers so it's faces a maximum of one year in prison. might be getting sweeter. what is terrible is that the men who gave the orders not fully assume the responsibility of the commanding officer. tire responsibility for the entire fall to their subordinates. one cannot delegate the command responsibility. response ability i can delegate authority to my second in command my responsibility under no circumstances. i was willing. and i'm still willing to defend my home. to defend my country. but i am not

willing and i will never be willing. to conquer. another nation. i think about the real price. that was paid for this war at. the time and not only by american and allied troops. but also by the families of the soldiers who suffered a great deal in what you and mainly by iraqi city back at him who are oppressed now and who are paying them dearly. i think what i am doing now where even if it costs me a few years in prison is

a small price to pay and even if i go to prison for this and i will be free. i will have been free enough to make the right decision that i will feel that despite the contract i signed to become a soldier i gave myself the freedom to make the right decision.

i am. there were times filled with joy with parades and marches. inspiring people

with enthusiasm. but was everything really that good and wasn't allowed for them to speak out. though she shared her thoughts only with her diary it all became evidence in a trial for counter-revolutionary activity. the evidence which condemned to a labor camp in. the diary of a soviet school on obscene.