it's six thirty am in moscow good to have you with us here on our t.v.'s here at headlines more into the thirty five killed in monday's suicide bomb attack adama dead of an airport state flags were flown at half staff as well wishers attended memorial services across the capital. in his keynote statement to the world's movers and shakers that davos president medvedev called for greater global cooperation in the battle against international terrorism following monday's suicide bombing in moscow the russian leader was forced to cut short his visit to be economic for. russia's new strategic arms reduction deal with the us set to become law after getting the unanimous backing of the upper house of parliament it's the last step before being signed by president medvedev and it could see both

need two nations a nuclear arsenals cut by a third. following the moscow airport attack al gore and of talks with a veteran of russia's elite anti-terrorist task force about what can be done to ensure better security at transportation hubs stay with us. hello again. today my guest on the show is see. this week the deadly attack on russia.

has cost more than their hundreds including foreign citizens dozens are some of them in critical condition police say this was a terrorist attack and the bomb was carried into the building through an unsecured entrance how can we feel safe if the country is. protected here is vice president of the international vets association. the dead of an apple or two place in the international arrivals the police say the bomb was stuffed with shrapnel to cause serious injury and damage many of the dead are foreigners from the former soviet republics and from the u.k. and germany present bed of this postponed his visit to switzerland where he was to attend the devils forum the president says the dead of the managers must be charged with security failure but experts say it's the police responsible for safety at

russian apples. thank you for your time so my first question to you now what's happened. seems to indicate. a very dangerous place to live and do you agree with that you know this just confirms something that i often know that the whole world and especially in russia. or. in the war. on terror there's a new way and we should never forget about this whether we like it or not it's in the that's something we'll have to live with for many years to come. is any other big city mosque is a soft target for terrorists let's go back to the war you've just mentioned so you're one of those who think we're still at war right there are a lot of people who think so not only in russia but also in america in the u.k. in other countries so you think the war is not over yet right well i would not wish

well it's not the same kind of war as world war one a world war two so that is still a war you have troops you have terrorist cells because unless you have already agents working on them. in north caucasus counterterrorist operations are conducted almost every week in the sword that. we kill terrorists we find caches who with weapons and explosives so i think this is their war but so our enemies in the north caucasus is that what you're saying or not only their no personally i would limit this a problem to slam at least for russia is just if the caucus is happens to be the weakling what makes our situation with terrorism different from that in europe for europe and he enemies outside that's why i believe easier for them to fight

terrorism they have to deal mostly with foreigners with immigrants even if they have integrated into their society whereas we have to deal with our own citizens but you with the recent this happens in the north caucuses because it is. in russia . you're surely aware of all the problems we have with corruption unemployment and social injustice we're going to russia as a whole is rated among some african countries but if we consider the north caucasus as a separate creature and the situation in derry it's much worse i believe you. talking about corruption levels or something like that this is right international records . terms of corruption i don't remember the exact figures of course but you get the idea but it's a beautiful son and it's obvious social injustice unemployment corruption and sometimes even the use of treatment by the authorities just has been security

forces so always. very fertile soil for terrorists and you know that takes is just one skill. to come to a place like this and so some see that the terrorism will spread. and flourish. every war has a goal an objective i mean what is the goal of this war for russia will say the u.s. goal is to cure it but what is the goal of those on the side if. they have a goal. is the only goals people may have and what they were doing to use just money and power. and islamic fundamentalism is just to to just those who masterminded those terrorist attacks would you save on the costs just the pieces you know people can work for money or they can work for ideological reasons

you can replace money with ideology. toward an interpretation of islam to turn people regularly boys and girls into walking bombs as they call them now mr philosopher i have a few specific questions the terrorist attack took place adama dead of. that and the authorities are blaming the airport management for it they saying there were security flaws do you think it is fair. same soli going to the management even though it is a private enterprise after all we have the federal security service the internal affairs ministry and the end to terrorist committee there would have to you know i talked to disagree i don't think that the airport management is to blame here i travel all over the world and i'll concede at the end of his perhaps the safest airport in the world in terms of security close to if you get this impression when

you see all those canneries in the number of police officers at the airport bush it's the safest airport except perhaps for it. in fact i had a chance to see israeli security agencies at work last year is that when i was flying in they interviewed me for an hour and as i was flying out for two hours i almost missed my flight of course to some extent perhaps this was my fault because i provoked them a little on purpose because i was curious to see them at work still the point is that it is not appropriate to blame the airport management in fact i kind of feel sorrier for the board in general functions well but they were unfortunate to have one accident after another if you remember it was done by dint of what airport that stopped working because of a. before than you're here and that was not their fault it was beyond their control or their heat with this terrorist attack some say it's a private airport but let's just take a look at the various places where terrorist attacks have taken place costed

a hostage crisis in one thousand nine hundred ninety five the moscow theater siege in two thousand and two the beslan massacre in two thousand and four suicide bombings at a rock concert the air filled again on an open ground explosion at monash square you know one thing i don't fly is this something that's happening now because soon as there was an explosion enter the international airport to dent it security measures are introduced to do that all the transport facilities for examples to. out of the because sheer scale highway in moscow has been closed and i don't see any reason for it is always reading more traffic jams i think the authorities and security agencies are just trying to impress everybody with how hard they work but all the achieves just make people angry such measures can hardly yield any positive results so the airport just happened to be yet another size that she had in a series of attacks. the same can happen any place else i won't

mention specifically places where you can do this anyplace attracting a big enough crowd of people is potentially cited for a terrorist attack. do you see any connection between the terrorist attack and the my dead. and last year's bombings in moscow metro you know i think it's the same thing going to go to some people complain that these attacks happen very frequently but it depends on how you look at it this someone who was nine months since the previous incident write a worrying months now almost. ten months now but they could just as well have been happening every month i think that terrorists receive financial aid from foreign sources and perhaps they need just teach such attacks from time to time to report on the work done perhaps the more often they do through more money they get is to sometimes they succeed sometimes they feel to school in fact i would like to give

a warning such should think right now there when in yet another terrorist attack and it's up to us in our security agencies to prevent this terrorist attack according to unofficial. thousand and seven hundred russians have been killed by terrorists since nine hundred ninety five let's take a look at some of the deadliest terrorist attacks in the country over the last fifteen years has their support from. the nine hundred ninety five still see. when russia had its first taste of terror for days more than a thousand people were held hostage by chechen militants headed by shamil basayev russian troops unsuccessfully tried to storm the building more than one hundred people died since done terrorist attacks have repeated in russia on a regular basis and have usually been associated with the chechen militants in one thousand nine hundred ninety four apartment buildings were blown up in the around

three hundred people eventually forced to more schools hand and the beginning of the second war in chechnya part of it was militants systematic attacks on russian civilians in two thousand and two eight hundred people were taken hostage at a moscow theater russian special forces stormed the building one hundred and twenty nine hosted years in forty one chechen fighters were killed children became victims of terrorists in two thousand and four the siege of a school in beslan resulted in more than three hundred deaths most school metro has become a popular target for. the subway so a number of deadly attacks over the years the station was one of the two attacked last march forty people were killed in a double suicide blast their recent explosion at the international arrivals hall that most schools domodedovo airport is a sign that terrorism remains a major threat to the country's security. you've just said something

quite terrible right now terrorists are planning yet another attack. that attack for the week has already been paid for. to those people show mass murderer sports appears to be some sort of the professional capacious way of making a living saying it's. news will advance their own masterminds. stabilize the situation in russia. or reduce our. there are a lot of the world's fuel and energy supply or need to live and there are soldiers who may have different motives in again i'd like to repeat dead. blame is laughable as it all stems from russia's internal problems such as social discord dissatisfaction unemployment and corruption. it could also says a lot the president of the international vets association of the. spotlight

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dot com. welcome back to spotlight. my guest in the studio today is the vice president of the international association of the terrorist departments. mr no one has claimed responsibility for this terrorist attack at the airport. no one has made any demands which is very upsetting because it means that regular people i mean civilians russians and those who come to visit moscow. become targets of these murderous business. i will say it again we always need to remember that there is

a war going on so we should remember that we should always be alert and watchful we shouldn't be embarrassed to contact police if we see some suspicious things around us. then the war on terror will be affected. by the way you mentioned israel and the israeli security officials have told me that. most of the time they were able to prevent terrorist attacks because somebody . them off informed them about a planned attack. nothing works the batter than being alerted by a. satellite surveillance dogs explosive deterrent none of that can compare with the information provided by how would you comment on the proposal by the head of the state duma security committee of assyria. introducing terrorism threat levels i mean you know like in america they have

already yellow green threat levels would you think about it. are you suggesting that we resort to permanently to rid. this won't really change the current situation in russia this might work in good old europe where things are somewhat calm would put our people have a different mindset do you remember what happened after those explosions in apartment buildings after the first blast there was nothing we were just considering the situation on waiting for someone to claim responsibility for the attack and scratching our heads then ten days later a second blast takes trace and it was only at that point that we realized that these were terrorist attacks and that we needed to chat all addicts and the beast and use volunteers as a neighborhood watch informing police about also people and businesses we don't do anything until something terrible happens then there were no terrorist attempts core a while and we forgot all about them we forget such things very quickly in six months

and next time we remember this that is only a year later on incentive bursaries loss and even then our media tries to tune it down to making sure they don't upset people who do let's not think about it with. and to draw for why would we want to do there being certain that enough is the our this is wrong if there is a war going on people should always be on high alert whenever we allow some slack in that situation like this one to happen. we don't often talk about the fact that the last major terrorist attack in america was nine eleven or since then they have not been serious terrorist attacks in the u.s. so whereas in russia they happen quite frequently. but why all the americans able to prevent terrorist attacks and we're not. because there's some key difference in our approaches and the u.s. but it's that there is a key difference they have a different enemy and mentioned at the beginning that they're dealing with an

external enemy their wars against al qaida or why ours is not we fight first and foremost against our own internal problems as more of a. background for example it's hard to differentiate between terrorism and extremism but easily looks that it's a very subtle distinction. that the pretty much shot it was a well as far as i know of the terrorist attack on moscow metro have never been found. well they did mention some names some but i take such reports with a grain of salt and that's the way we do things in russia when we have an order to find a person even if we can find him we'll find somebody best thing to do they always perhaps not so she said after a specific person but to do your regular work i'm a saudi and consistently in fact i think both recent attacks are air response to our fight against terrorist groups in the north caucasus which was already killing

testified about three years ago in militants and terrorist leaders have been killed so this is a response to that and it's lost to be expected when somebody texts you you want to fight the basque. activists hacked into the metro some suggested installing metal detectors in the metro but then the decided against as saying this would her allies the metro system would this detect this can be used annapolis including the arrivals hall does it make sense to do that or do you think that's what we have now is enough. doesn't make any sense to put up metal detectors everywhere including airport metal detectors cannot detect symmetrix or see for for example foot seven or ten kilos the terrorists will still be able to get explosives in the building i can foresee that what is going to happen now is the government is going to allocate huge amounts of money to install metal detectors everywhere but unfortunately this money be spent efficiently i think russia can't afford being wasteful so i would

see in iraq two crucial things we should spend money on their first security services should intensify their work with agents and develop an agent yeah right. long after the collapse of the soviet union this effectively ceased to exist. after the second asked of the. people concerning terrorism war our people should remember that we are at war. so that if they see something suspicious around them just. to feel awkward alerting law enforcement agencies about that though it's a rule let's go back to the side of this tragedy for a minute judy here is several eyewitnesses of the tragedy in the moscow airport. i'm still people bleeding badly injured many of them had their faces all covered in

blood i had lost it sounded like something fell down as if someone dropped heavy ca go construction works going on over there so we thought the sound came from there as if somebody dropped something there until the people on the second floor felt a big shake. but did you see her leaving the airport when we heard the blast stuff started falling from the ceiling as we were leaving the baggage claim area we saw everything was in smoke we started getting phone calls and found out that many people were injured and the explosion happened in the area adjacent to the baggage claim so your. bags everywhere and everyone was scared to get close to you know you grab the lost luggage claim that which is far away from the area where they exploded happened but we still felt it was a very powerful blast. because people were leaving the area in panic some were looking for their family members there were people on the floor covered in blood people were panicking however they left very quickly then apple employees came and

began to administer first aid to the injured told them. you know what i'm watching these are from teaching and i thought about one post. thing. there was no panic and one of the eyewitnesses did use the word panic but there were no reports of people trampling over each other when the people who were leaving the area in a relatively calm and organized manner the ones who survived and the injured was quickly taken to hospitals does that mean the emergency services handled the situation well i want to. think that the airport management tried to do a pretty good job i know from my witness reports that the airport beast emergency services on the spot in a couple of minutes then began to administer first aid the much for taking danger and in the. explosion started to far so they were putting out the far

there was no panic as far as i know continue to do that while arriving planes were directed to other airports. airport authorities handled the situation well. i guess i'm trying to find a silver lining tragedy like this one so i wanted to ask you i mean. there was a major terrorist attack with many people taken hostage. then there was the hostage crisis at the moscow theater and now the explosions in the metro and at the airport at the it seems like the scale of attacks has diminished or does this mean that terrorists are running out of steam and can we say that russia is actually prevailing in this war. i think that the terrorists in general want to create as much panic and fear response. they need big reaction and in this sense the

aftermath of the terrorists who join us can discipline and the future hostage crisis was a lot more series. yes then what is going to happen now yesterday to the fact that there haven't been any major terrorist attacks since two thousand and four when it tells us that there's a terrorist underground has been crippled over the many militants and their leaders have been killed which means only a few isolated groups are allowed to think it is over the go or even in conflicts and to disputes among terrorists he did first in the united states the caucus emirate and now there is divided again with the chechen militants parading separate like us but the what is it in this means that our agents are doing you a good job someone. who is. we do it's of course it's a lot easier to send a sue said the bombers of this into a crowded place and then to organize

a large scale operation that is like the dubrovsky a hostage situation so i think that security agencies have achieved certain results of course after this tragedy we can start complaining asking where the taxpayers' money goes and so on i don't think this should be our focus right now and then we need to think about what we can do you so that the same thing doesn't happen again to us and our families and children don't have to live in the fear and usually it. thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today what they did say fill out the vice president tell the international that so satiation the alpha there is the book and that's it. with a comment about what's going on that rush out of jail when they. take.

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